[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 10mm (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 6/8/2011 5:09:54 AM EDT
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Nothing impractical about 10mm except the price for full power practice ammo. I should reload, but I'm a doofus and have no equipment or know how. So like a dumb ass, I practice some with "cheap" $20 for 50 40 cal powered ammo and once in a while mix in some full power loads that cost 2x as much, ouch! But I loooooooooooooooove my 10mm. |
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Quoted: I did say "just about any gunfight". That is the exception to the rule Quoted: Quoted: Winner. I'll take a 10 mm Glock over a 6 shooter 44 mag in just about any gunfight.A Glock 20 with 15+1 rounds is more practical than a revolver with 6 rounds, IMO. How about a grizzly bear that's shooting back at you?  |
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In a 1911, yes. Unreliable and I hear the platform can't handle it long term. Carrying a G20? Yes, a bit of a hog leg. A G20 in vehicle though for having a car-to-car shoot out? Works for me. PS If my Anaconda had a fifteen round cylinder, I'd keep that in the car. |
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+1 on ammo being the only setback Prvi 180gr FMJ runs me around $18/50 and Georgia Arms is about $20-21. I don't have the equipment for reloading yet. I'm guessing a reloading setup solves lots of 10 mm issues. So is a 10MM inherently too hard on a frame? I think about getting one . . . |
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+1 on ammo being the only setback Prvi 180gr FMJ runs me around $18/50 and Georgia Arms is about $20-21. I don't have the equipment for reloading yet. I'm guessing a reloading setup solves lots of 10 mm issues. So is a 10MM inherently too hard on a frame? I think about getting one . . . I've never heard of any issues with frame damage on a Glock 20. I can't say the same for 1911 platforms, EAA, etc. My Glock 20 has about 600 rounds through it and it's doing well. Some guys use #20/22 recoil springs when they shoot hotter ammo. |
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I don't consider either a 10mm or a .44 magnum to be impractical, neither do the bears that have met their demise with either. I do reload, so cost of manufactured ammo doesn't matter to me.
Taken in context I agree, though if you don't need the additional penetration for large or dangerous game, neither provides much advantage in terminal ballistics over the .40 S&W or even .45 ACP. |
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Reloading is mandatory for 10mm. Actually reloading should be mandatory for anyone that fancies himself a shooter.
The vast majority of my 10mm shooting is lite loads. I have both Glock and 1911s. I've broken two trigger return springs and one extractor on the Glock. 1911s will beat themselves up with full power loads, just expect it and accept it. The 10mm shines as being a versatile round capable of whatever role you need it to play. It is also inherently accurate. Designed for winning gunfights and does not cater to the lowest common denominator. Flat shooting out to 100 yards. Been shooting the TEN since it came out. |
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A Glock 20 with 15+1 rounds is more practical than a revolver with 6 rounds, IMO.
While I absolutely love the G20 you are stretching the debate from cartridge to platform. If you that's the case, and either the 10 or 44 were to disapepar, would you honestly let the 44 go extinct? If you hunt the 44 offers are significantly better. If you want a great general purpose handgun some of the 10mm platforms are awesome. Bang for your buck and versatility go to the 44 hands down. That said, long live the 10 it's a fine cartridge. |
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Where's the .45 GAP 
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I don't consider either a 10mm or a .44 magnum to be impractical, neither do the bears that have met their demise with either. I do reload, so cost of manufactured ammo doesn't matter to me.
Taken in context I agree, though if you don't need the additional penetration for large or dangerous game, neither provides much advantage in terminal ballistics over the .40 S&W or even .45 ACP. In the strictest sense that is true. Factor in a longer range and still having the energy of being terminal. Penetration of hard objects such as walls or cars. |
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Isn't 10mm a smaller bullet than .45in? |
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Isn't 10mm a smaller bullet than .45in? Expansion...look into it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Isn't 10mm a smaller bullet than .45in? Expansion...look into it. Why would 10mm expand different than .45in |
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Quoted: Isn't 10mm a smaller bullet than .45in? which is exactly why 10mm is superior to .45 ...just like 9mm  |
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Quoted: Quoted: Isn't 10mm a smaller bullet than .45in? which is exactly why 10mm is superior to .45 ...just like 9mm LOL, yea a miracle occurs, as the bullets turns bigger than .45 ACP. Isn't the last one in that comparison photo a joke? |
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Isn't 10mm a smaller bullet than .45in? which is exactly why 10mm is superior to .45 ...just like 9mm
Oh shit. 
Now you done gone and done it. 
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Isn't 10mm a smaller bullet than .45in? Expansion...look into it. Why would 10mm expand different than .45in Are you joking? |
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Isn't 10mm a smaller bullet than .45in? which is exactly why 10mm is superior to .45 ...just like 9mm
LOL, yea a miracle occurs, as the bullets turns bigger than .45 ACP.
Isn't the last one in that comparison photo a joke? Naw, that's real, bro. They 'splode and shit! 
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10mm maintains its velocity better over longer range vs. .45. It will also penetrate deeper when using higher pressure loads and heavy bullets.
I think 10mm vs. .45 is a better comparison than 10mm vs. .44 magnum. I feel big bore magnums exist in that gap between rifles and pistols (like 10mm, .45, etc.). They also shoot like a laser beam when you get good at it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Isn't 10mm a smaller bullet than .45in? which is exactly why 10mm is superior to .45 ...just like 9mm When me and my dad practice on pins, we usually have a ton of rounds with our 1911s then a a few fun rounds with the 10's huge difference. |
| Impractical, no, not at all. A niche caliber with a small but very loyal following, yes. The 10mm is one of the great could have/should have been calibers. The original 1911's that were chambered for it didn't hold up well (percieved or real, your call) and the 10mm has been trying to live that down ever since. The firearms market is an unforgiving place. |
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Quoted: Just sayin' because 10mm = .39in It's smaller than .40 cal!Quoted: Quoted: Isn't 10mm a smaller bullet than .45in? which is exactly why 10mm is superior to .45 ...just like 9mm When me and my dad practice on pins, we usually have a ton of rounds with our 1911s then a a few fun rounds with the 10's huge difference. |
The only thing worst than 1911 snobs is 10mm Auto snobs. 
This is a list of the reason the 10mm is so cool...
––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- 10mm is so awesome, it beat Lootie to all the good beer. Fred Thompson wants 10mm as his vice-presidential candidate. 10mm is why bad things happen to bad people. Iran's nuclear program is a cover up for trying to build a 10mm pistol. 10mm is so awesome, it wards off vampires and werewolves. Clint Eastwood wanted Dirty Harry to carry a 10mm, but they hadn't invented it yet so he had to settle for the .44 Magnum. Jack Bauer isn't manly enough for the 10mm. The only way to carry a man-purse and not look gay is to put a 10mm into it. The Roman Empire collapsed because they stopped sacrificing virgins to a 10mm handgun left behind by an irresponsible time-traveler. NASA mounts 10mm guns to all their spaceshuttles to take out Soviet satellites. Anyone who disses 10mm is probably a godless commie. Eskimos have fifty words for snow, but their word for 10mm is synonymous with 'buttkicking'. You ever wonder why aliens never visit us? We invented 10mm and now they're too scared to reveal themselves. Oppenheimer helped invent the atom bomb, but what he really wanted was a 10mm. 10mm is so awesome, it would have replaced the Mk.19 but the army wanted to give the enemy a sporting chance. 10mm is so awesome, it kicked Bill Clinton's dog the day he entered office. 10mm is so awesome, it's the only 80's fad that's still cool. Titanic was actually the result of an ND with a 10mm. Movie tough guys smoke unfiltered cigarettes, 10mm smokes bad guys. 10mm is so awesome, it once made some kid crap his pants. Ninja are only visible to people who carry a 10mm. 10mm is responsible for bad Chuck Norris jokes. The 10mm is so awesome, the bullet actually hits the target before the primer goes off. The Death Star from Star Wars: A New Hope was actually a transport ship for 6 linked 10mm pistols and 1 billion round of ammunition. Therefore, it only takes 6 10mm bullets to destroy a planet. The craters on the moon were caused by a drunk redneck with a 10mm. The Grand Canyon was created when an Arfcommer tried to bumpfire a 10mm AR-15. Don't tell the Russians, but the only weakness of the M1A1 Abrams MBT is the 10mm. If you shoot a 10mm out of the front of a jet airplane going Mach 2.5, it creates a black hole and the quantum flux pattern destroys all sentient life within 3700 meters. The 10mm is the reason that mainland USA has never been invaded. Chris Angel is so amazing because he carries a 10mm cartridge in his pocket. Smith and Wesson tried to make up for the .40 S&W by inventing the .500 S&W Magnum. It only slightly surpasses the 10mm in power, but it's nowhere near as cool. Cycling the slide of a 10mm automatic pistol is more effective on burglars than racking the slide of a shotgun. 10mm is so awesome, it's the cause of global warming. 10mm is the only caliber Chuck Norris fears. 10mm is so awesome, when it was loaded, the cartridge jumped up and punched Sarah Brady in the face. No matter what you shoot with it, 10mm will kill it deader than a hippie under an Israeli bulldozer. .40 S&W is a 10mm set on Stun. My personal favorite of the list. You wanna know why dinosaurs are extinct? Time-traveling 10mm fanatics. 10mm is so awesome, that Jeff Cooper invented a gun just for it. 10mm is so awesome, it blows aliens apart in a spray of acid. You know that scene in Saving Private Ryan, where the Captain shot the panzer with his pistol and it exploded? Yeah, that's what happens when you get a custom 1911 in 10mm. 10mm is so manly, the FBI had to switch to .40 S&W because it's staffed entirely by girls and wusses. 10mm is so awesome, anyone who holds one instantly has his sex appeal double. You ever notice that Miami Vice started sucking as soon as Don Johnson ditched the Bren Ten? The phrase "big brass ones" actually refers to spent 10mm casings, a measure of manliness. 10mm is so awesome, the Geneva Conventions don't apply to it. 10mm is so awesome, it even makes a Glock worth owning. Arnold Schwartzenegger was the only on set manly enough to carry the minigun in Terminator 2, but when they asked him to fire a 10mm handgun he sat down and cried like a girl. The Soviet Union collapsed as a direct result of the invention of 10mm. You know that satellite the Chinese shot down? They used a 10mm and are hoping we don't notice. 10mm is so awesome, it automatically makes anyone who owns one cool. 10mm is so awesome, it got its inventor laid. Remember the damage Katrina and Rita did to New Orleans? It all could have been avoided if someone had just shot the hurricanes with a 10mm. Hiroshima was actually the result of a Glock 10mm kabooming. 10mm is so awesome, it neutered John Kerry merely by existing. 10mm can cure sociopathy with direct application. You know the Tunguska event? That's what happens when you dual-wield 10mm MP5's while the A-Team theme is playing. 10mm usually vaporizes its victims on impact, but sometimes leaves a bloody corpse behind as an example to the others. Bigfoot owns a 10mm. James Earl Jones and Barry White both have incredibly deep voices. Both keep a 10mm in their waistband. Coincidence? 10mm is so awesome, Fort Knox threw away all the gold and stocked up on Norma. ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- Yes 10mm Auto fanboys are that rabid. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Just sayin' because 10mm = .39in It's smaller than .40 cal!Quoted: Quoted: Isn't 10mm a smaller bullet than .45in? which is exactly why 10mm is superior to .45 ...just like 9mm When me and my dad practice on pins, we usually have a ton of rounds with our 1911s then a a few fun rounds with the 10's huge difference.  |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just sayin' because 10mm = .39in It's smaller than .40 cal!Quoted: Quoted: Isn't 10mm a smaller bullet than .45in? which is exactly why 10mm is superior to .45 ...just like 9mm When me and my dad practice on pins, we usually have a ton of rounds with our 1911s then a a few fun rounds with the 10's huge difference. Ok ok it's really 10.16mm which IS .40in |
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Just sayin' because 10mm = .39in It's smaller than .40 cal!
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Isn't 10mm a smaller bullet than .45in? which is exactly why 10mm is superior to .45 ...just like 9mm
When me and my dad practice on pins, we usually have a ton of rounds with our 1911s then a a few fun rounds with the 10's huge difference. I like .223 better than 5.56mm because it's wider, too. |
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Winner. I'll take a 10 mm Glock over a 6 shooter 44 mag in just about any gunfight.
A Glock 20 with 15+1 rounds is more practical than a revolver with 6 rounds, IMO. How about a grizzly bear that's shooting back at you? The right to keep and arm bears. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Wait, why do you find either of these impractical? I terms of recoil and rapid target re-aquisition. I've never had the opportunity to shoot one, but the FBI passed on it for those reasons, IIRC. The FBI missed on it. The recoil from my glock isn't bad at all and with practice it is easily controllable. |