[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Unelectable... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/5/2011 10:51:12 AM EDT
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...Is like if a sports team said to an opponent, "We've looked the stats. Don't even bother coming out to play. Let's agree that you're going to lose." And then the opponent agrees to it. "Gosh, we think we can play ball, but the home team told us we're going to lose. Better not bother." I wonder who the first person to call Palin unelectable was. My money's on an Obama voter.
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A more fair comparison would be if every one of your receivers said "don't bother throwing the ball to me, I'm not going to try and catch it", half your offensive linemen said "why the hell should we block for you" and your opponent said "when take the field we'll spill every drop of blood in our bodies if necessary to prove that your QB has personally walked into the ninth circle of hell"
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Quoted: A more fair comparison would be if every one of your receivers said "don't bother throwing the ball to me, I'm not going to try and catch it", half your offensive linemen said "why the hell should we block for you" and your opponent said "when take the field we'll spill every drop of blood in our bodies if necessary to prove that your QB has personally walked into the ninth circle of hell" A different, but excellent, point. |
| If she wins the nomination, then we will see how she does in the Main Event. Some of her past decisions and statements will come back on her and the media will give them very, very wide attention. I personally would love to see her as President, but that does not mean there aren't better candidates out there. |
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...Is like if a sports team said to an opponent, "We've looked the stats. Don't even bother coming out to play. Let's agree that you're going to lose." And then the opponent agrees to it. "Gosh, we think we can play ball, but the home team told us we're going to lose. Better not bother." I wonder who the first person to call Palin unelectable was. My money's on an Obama voter. My money's on someone who sees her as the shallow, gold-digging quitter she's shown herself to be. |
| Ridiculous analogy. The sports teams win or lose on their own objective merits on the field - who scores more. Political candidates win or lose depending on the voters' perception of their strengths or weaknesses. The fans don't vote to see which sports team will win. |
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Quoted: Ridiculous analogy. The sports teams win or lose on their own objective merits on the field - who scores more. Political candidates win or lose depending on the voters' perception of their strengths or weaknesses. The fans don't vote to see which sports team will win. There are no fans in the analogy. ETA: The home team says, "Don't bother coming. We've already decided you can't outscore us." ETA2: "Bench your first string QB, then we'll play you. That way it'll be a fair fight. Trust us." |
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Unelectable is the term the RINOs will use to not support - even sabotage - someone they did not want if they primaries don't go their way.
Tokyo Rove and Charles Bipolar Krauthammer are proof enough. The msm will be more than happy to carry their water in that regard. |
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If you tell people something enough times, they believe it.
If you tell people something enough times, they believe it. If you tell people something enough times, they believe it. If you tell people something enough times, they believe it. If you tell people something enough times, they believe it. If you tell people something enough times, they believe it. If you tell people something enough times, they believe it. If you tell people something enough times, they believe it. If you tell people something enough times, they believe it. If you tell people something enough times, they believe it. If you tell people something enough times, they believe it. If you tell people something enough times, they believe it. If you tell people something enough times, they believe it. |
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That's the fatal flaw of the Saul Alinsky "Rules for Radicals", because they instruct the left to isolate the victim and try to cut them off from any help and then make fun of them with illogical accusations and usurp their power trying to fend off bullshit attacks.
The Alinsky followers will ALWAYS tell you what they fear most and then you can act on those fears. |
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...Is like if a sports team said to an opponent, "We've looked the stats. Don't even bother coming out to play. Let's agree that you're going to lose." And then the opponent agrees to it. "Gosh, we think we can play ball, but the home team told us we're going to lose. Better not bother." I wonder who the first person to call Palin unelectable was. My money's on an Obama voter. It is kinda like that. Except the "home team" is an NFL team, and the opponent is a little league baseball team. |
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Quoted: Quoted: ...Is like if a sports team said to an opponent, "We've looked the stats. Don't even bother coming out to play. Let's agree that you're going to lose." And then the opponent agrees to it. "Gosh, we think we can play ball, but the home team told us we're going to lose. Better not bother." I wonder who the first person to call Palin unelectable was. My money's on an Obama voter. It is kinda like that. Except the "home team" is an NFL team, and the opponent is a little league baseball team. And by saying that, you're echoing the home team's words. |
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She's not unelectable but she's not going to win anytime soon... She cant pick up the independent vote in a general election because she doesn't appeal to them. That just the truth. I think this is the sad truth, of course I'm not sure any of the people who have currently thrown their hats in the race will have any better chance of attracting the independent vote and if they do they'll lose some of the conservative faithful. |
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On a random interjection. I love ae1's avatar: http://www.kitschy-kitschy-coo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/elvgren-girls-shotguns-1974.jpg That chick is hot. Someone should update it to 2011 standards 
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Quoted: I can't beat Jerry Miculek at three gun, I can't beat EdSr at arm wrestling, my local high school football team can't play against an NFL team...Is like if a sports team said to an opponent, "We've looked the stats. Don't even bother coming out to play. Let's agree that you're going to lose." And then the opponent agrees to it. "Gosh, we think we can play ball, but the home team told us we're going to lose. Better not bother." I wonder who the first person to call Palin unelectable was. My money's on an Obama voter. |
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Quoted: Ridiculous analogy. The sports teams win or lose on their own objective merits on the field - who scores more. Political candidates win or lose depending on the voters' perception of their strengths or weaknesses. The fans don't vote to see which sports team will win. Thank you, saved me the time to ridicule the OP's point, which if it were a political candidate would be Michael Dukakis. Some people are, utterly, completely unelectable, solely and entirely based upon their perception in the media. Denying it doesn't make it so. |
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Quoted: On a random interjection. I love ae1's avatar: http://www.kitschy-kitschy-coo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/elvgren-girls-shotguns-1974.jpg Gil Elvgren is one of my favorite artists. He has tons of other stuff like this. Thanks for the hi-res picture. Time to update my avatar.
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From my perception, half of arfcom hates Palin, 30% are indifferent and a very vocal 20% like / love her. That should pretty much outline her chances of winning a major election right there... Because the active membership of this site is such a representative sample of the population at large, right? The complete lack of comprehension of how statistics works is amazing to me. |
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Quoted: Quoted: From my perception, half of arfcom hates Palin, 30% are indifferent and a very vocal 20% like / love her. That should pretty much outline her chances of winning a major election right there... Because the active membership of this site is such a representative sample of the population at large, right? The complete lack of comprehension of how statistics works is amazing to me. In truth, this site should be overwhelmingly in her corner, if she has a shot nationally. We are almost all male conservative gun owners, for fuck's sake. Can't carry that? What hope do you have with soccer moms and wishy washy folks who watch the MSM? None. |
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From my perception, half of arfcom hates Palin, 30% are indifferent and a very vocal 20% like / love her. That should pretty much outline her chances of winning a major election right there... Because the active membership of this site is such a representative sample of the population at large, right? The complete lack of comprehension of how statistics works is amazing to me. In truth, this site should be overwhelmingly in her corner, if she has a shot nationally. We are almost all male conservative gun owners, for fuck's sake. Can't carry that? What hope do you have with soccer moms and wishy washy folks who watch the MSM? None. The vast majority of this site is *not* conservative, certainly not socially. Probably greater than a majority is fiscally conservative, but her base is the social conservatives. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: From my perception, half of arfcom hates Palin, 30% are indifferent and a very vocal 20% like / love her. That should pretty much outline her chances of winning a major election right there... Because the active membership of this site is such a representative sample of the population at large, right? The complete lack of comprehension of how statistics works is amazing to me. In truth, this site should be overwhelmingly in her corner, if she has a shot nationally. We are almost all male conservative gun owners, for fuck's sake. Can't carry that? What hope do you have with soccer moms and wishy washy folks who watch the MSM? None. Excellent point. |
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...Is like if a sports team said to an opponent, "We've looked the stats. Don't even bother coming out to play. Let's agree that you're going to lose." And then the opponent agrees to it. "Gosh, we think we can play ball, but the home team told us we're going to lose. Better not bother." I wonder who the first person to call Palin unelectable was. My money's on an Obama voter. I'll call her delectable instead. 
We need a leg humping smiley.
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Quoted: In truth, this site should be overwhelmingly in her corner, if she has a shot nationally. We are almost all male conservative gun owners, for fuck's sake. Can't carry that? What hope do you have with soccer moms and wishy washy folks who watch the MSM? That's some truth, right there. None. Frankly, if the best we can run for a president is a fucking reality show star? Then, not only are we doomed, but... we fucking deserve to be. As Dennis Miller once said... Paddy Chayefsky is laughing at us, right about now. |
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Quoted: That's the fatal flaw of the Saul Alinsky "Rules for Radicals", because they instruct the left to isolate the victim and try to cut them off from any help and then make fun of them with illogical accusations and usurp their power trying to fend off bullshit attacks. The Alinsky followers will ALWAYS tell you what they fear most and then you can act on those fears. Did Saul Alinsky force Sarah Palin to quit her job as governor and become a full time attention whore? |
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Quoted: Whatever. You're carrying a banner for a clown. Point is, don't like her, don't vote for her. Frankly, if she was elected POTUS, it would say as much about America as the election of Obama. Failed governor, reality TV star. Really? This broad is our last best hope? We're doomed. |
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That's the fatal flaw of the Saul Alinsky "Rules for Radicals", because they instruct the left to isolate the victim and try to cut them off from any help and then make fun of them with illogical accusations and usurp their power trying to fend off bullshit attacks. The Alinsky followers will ALWAYS tell you what they fear most and then you can act on those fears. Did Saul Alinsky force Sarah Palin to quit her job as governor and become a full time attention whore? No, judge shopping liberals and the threat of nonstop litigation that would collapse Alaska's state budget in legal fees throughout the rest of her administration did that just fine. Why do you ask? ETA: WOW! "Search" is your friend.... You REALLY hate her, don't you? Just did a search by member's name in all GD threads, it's an interesting read. Like I said, they'll ALWAYS tell you what they fear most and the "Search" button tells all... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Whatever. You're carrying a banner for a clown. Point is, don't like her, don't vote for her. Frankly, if she was elected POTUS, it would say as much about America as the election of Obama. Failed governor, reality TV star. Really? This broad is our last best hope? We're doomed. May be. It was nice while it lasted.
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From my perception, half of arfcom hates Palin, 30% are indifferent and a very vocal 20% like / love her. That should pretty much outline her chances of winning a major election right there... Because the active membership of this site is such a representative sample of the population at large, right? The complete lack of comprehension of how statistics works is amazing to me. It amazes me how emphatically and frequently wrong you are, yet you carry such a tone of condescension as if your word is ordained. The active membership of this site should over-represent support for Palin, not under-represent it. She probably has a larger following on a site full of right-wing, male, majority-demographic gun owners than she does in mainstream society. Perhaps remedial statistics education should be a part of your future, not those who disagree with you. |
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Quoted: Now... that post, I can agree with.Quoted: Quoted: Whatever. You're carrying a banner for a clown. Point is, don't like her, don't vote for her. Frankly, if she was elected POTUS, it would say as much about America as the election of Obama. Failed governor, reality TV star. Really? This broad is our last best hope? We're doomed. May be. It was nice while it lasted. Look to the Right, look to the Left... I don't see a statesman... anywhere. Doomed, I tell ya. Not a leader in the bunch.
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From my perception, half of arfcom hates Palin, 30% are indifferent and a very vocal 20% like / love her. That should pretty much outline her chances of winning a major election right there... Because the active membership of this site is such a representative sample of the population at large, right? The complete lack of comprehension of how statistics works is amazing to me. It amazes me how emphatically and frequently wrong you are, yet you carry such a tone of condescension as if your word is ordained. The active membership of this site should over-represent support for Palin, not under-represent it. She probably has a larger following on a site full of right-wing, male, majority-demographic gun owners than she does in mainstream society. Perhaps remedial statistics education should be a part of your future, not those who disagree with you. 
really. You're comical, and the personal attacks are even better. Please note carefully what I actually said, not what you think I might have said. I said this site is not a representative sample of the population of the US at large. That is an accurate statement, and you agree with me. Note carefully that I did not say anything about over or under representation... This site is also not the bastion of social conservatism you think it is, nor do you have any idea what the true leanings of the membership here are –– only the leanings of a few vocal people. |
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Quoted: Running an unelectable candidate is like sending a high school football team to the superbowl against the Pittsburg Steelers. Yes, that's what the RINOs/Ds need you to believe. Palin is unelectable. Palin is unelectable. Palin is unelectable. Believe it yet? Don't even bother supporting her because... Palin is unelectable. She doesn't have the liberals' blessing, so she can't run. tl;dr: Don't let your opposition pick your candidate. |
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That's the fatal flaw of the Saul Alinsky "Rules for Radicals", because they instruct the left to isolate the victim and try to cut them off from any help and then make fun of them with illogical accusations and usurp their power trying to fend off bullshit attacks. The Alinsky followers will ALWAYS tell you what they fear most and then you can act on those fears. Did Saul Alinsky force Sarah Palin to quit her job as governor and become a full time attention whore? in order for someone to be an attention whore, they have to have people willing to pay attention to them. She had a very high rated show, she draws crowds by the multitudes, people are willing to pay whatever she asks for an appearance. These things are not possible if she is the idiot and pariah the MSM tries to make her out to be. I think that we will be pleasently surprised by the margin of victory she has in her next endeavour, whether that is as President or taking McCains job from him. |