[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Dear Republican Party (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 5/23/2011 10:35:42 AM EDT
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I was raised with a set of values that I hold dear to this day. In accordance with those values, I have voted a straight Republican ticket in every national and state election since I turned 18. I have done this because up until now the Republican candidates have supported the same values that I hold dear. I firmly believe in the value of human life and I am dedicated to the cause of liberty. I believe that every person has an inalienable right to defend their own existence from any aggressor and I believe that it is the duty of those who are able to defend those who cannot defend themselves. In practical political purposes, this means that I am a staunch supporter of Second Amendment rights and I am unwaveringly Pro-Life in regards to the abortion issue. I have never, and will never make any compromise on these core beliefs. I am so firmly convinced of the correctness of these positions that I believe no other issue is even remotely as important as these. Where is the value to property, free speech or fiscal conservancy if you are not able to secure your own existence? What good is being able to breath "The Free Air" if you are denied your first breath? To that end, I wish to remove any doubt in anyone's mind regarding my intentions for the 2012 presidential election. I will vote Republican as long as the Republican your party nominates refuses to compromise on my core beliefs. If your chosen candidate does not support my core beliefs or has a record of hostility towards my core beliefs then they absolutely will not get my vote. I will not vote for someone who promises tax cuts and spending cuts but is willing to compromise on those freedoms and responsibilities I hold most dear. |
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Stop thinking for yourself. You are supposed to vote lockstep, mindlessly, just like the African-Americans.
I will be flamed but I am a Ron Paul supporter. ETA: Keep in mind that at the end of the day you have to vote for the lesser of two evils. SO, I usually end up voting straight R. ETA2: My sister is a democrat and holds public office. I have voted for her. 
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I was raised with a set of values that I hold dear to this day. In accordance with those values, I have voted a straight Republican ticket in every national and state election since I turned 18. I have done this because up until now the Republican candidates have supported the same values that I hold dear. I firmly believe in the value of human life and I am dedicated to the cause of liberty. I believe that every person has an inalienable right to defend their own existence from any aggressor and I believe that it is the duty of those who are able to defend those who cannot defend themselves. In practical political purposes, this means that I am a staunch supporter of Second Amendment rights and I am unwaveringly Pro-Life in regards to the abortion issue. I have never, and will never make any compromise on these core beliefs. I am so firmly convinced of the correctness of these positions that I believe no other issue is even remotely as important as these. Where is the value to property, free speech or fiscal conservancy if you are not able to secure your own existence? What good is being able to breath "The Free Air" if you are denied your first breath? To that end, I wish to remove any doubt in anyone's mind regarding my intentions for the 2012 presidential election. I will vote Republican as long as the Republican your party nominates refuses to compromise on my core beliefs. If your chosen candidate does not support my core beliefs or has a record of hostility towards my core beliefs then they absolutely will not get my vote. I will not vote for someone who promises tax cuts and spending cuts but is willing to compromise on those freedoms and responsibilities I hold most dear. Begin holding your breathe in 5...4...3...2... |
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Stop thinking for yourself. You are supposed to vote lockstep, mindlessly, just like the African-Americans. I will be flamed but I am a Ron Paul supporter. ETA: Keep in mind that at the end of the day you have to vote for the lesser of two evils. SO, I usually end up voting straight R. ETA2: My sister is a democrat and holds public office. I have voted for her. I saw a bumper sticker last month, it said, "Satan 2012, Why Settle For The Lessor Of 2 Evils" |
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Quoted: The whole constitution matters to me, not just the 2a. I'm not disagreeing with your post M_S, I'm just a little more picky.  My point is that I'm not voting for a Mitt Romney or a Chris Christie. I will not trade my guns for tax cuts, or allow the government to fund the murder of the unborn while cutting welfare. |
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I'm unwavering in my support of the second amendment, but on the other hand, I am not my sister's keeper and can not, and will not, ever, tell any woman what she may do to or with her own body and all it contains, even if I may personally disapprove. I am a PURE Libertarian when it comes to individual rights and personal freedoms. What you do to or with your own body is your own business. Whether you turn yourself into the very model of physical perfection through perfect diet and conscientous exercise, or destroy it with drugs, alcohol, and fast hard living without safety equipment, the choice is yours...including the choice to abort. I will not approve of that, but it is your body, and your choice. My stance on that is final and not open to discussion. CJ |
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Quoted: I'm unwavering in my support of the second amendment, but on the other hand, I am not my sister's keeper and can not, and will not, ever, tell any woman what she may do to or with her own body and all it contains, even if I may personally disapprove. I am a PURE Libertarian when it comes to individual rights and personal freedoms. What you do to or with your own body is your own business. Whether you turn yourself into the very model of physical perfection through perfect diet and conscientous exercise, or destroy it with drugs, alcohol, and fast hard living without safety equipment, the choice is yours...including the choice to abort. I will not approve of that, but it is your body, and your choice. My stance on that is final and not open to discussion. CJ Then I encourage you to vote for those who support your values. I myself make no claims on being a "Pure Libertarian". |
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I'm unwavering in my support of the second amendment, but on the other hand, I am not my sister's keeper and can not, and will not, ever, tell any woman what she may do to or with her own body and all it contains, even if I may personally disapprove. I am a PURE Libertarian when it comes to individual rights and personal freedoms. What you do to or with your own body is your own business. Whether you turn yourself into the very model of physical perfection through perfect diet and conscientous exercise, or destroy it with drugs, alcohol, and fast hard living without safety equipment, the choice is yours...including the choice to abort. I will not approve of that, but it is your body, and your choice. My stance on that is final and not open to discussion. CJ What he said. And to further what I said, what some woman does with her body - as unfortunate as it may seem, even to me - it does not affect me. The huge deficit, shitty economy, higher taxes and gas prices, etc, etc, etc DO affect me. |
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Quoted: Dear Republican Party; Go fuck yourselves and your laws that regulate against gays, abortion, and any other freedoms you don't find up to your "moral standard". With Love, TheRX7Project Keep talking like that and you'll undoubtedly get a split in the conservatives. Those are the real issues for a great number of voters.
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Dear Republican Party; Go fuck yourselves and your laws that regulate against gays, abortion, and any other freedoms you don't find up to your "moral standard". With Love, TheRX7Project Amen. It is my fervent wish that the so-called "social conservatives" go drown themselves. They're a big part of why the Democrats are where they are. I'll vote for a small-government fiscally-conservative Republican who truly loves liberty if I can. Otherwise, I'll vote Libertarian. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Dear Republican Party; Go fuck yourselves and your laws that regulate against gays, abortion, and any other freedoms you don't find up to your "moral standard". With Love, TheRX7Project Amen. It is my fervent wish that the so-called "social conservatives" go drown themselves. They're a big part of why the Democrats are where they are. I'll vote for a small-government fiscally-conservative Republican who truly loves liberty if I can. Otherwise, I'll vote Libertarian. What's with the scare quotes? That's what they are. |
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Dear Republican Party; Go fuck yourselves and your laws that regulate against gays, abortion, and any other freedoms you don't find up to your "moral standard". With Love, TheRX7Project Keep talking like that and you'll undoubtedly get a split in the conservatives. [div] Then it's time for the "social conservatives" to "compromise" and give up their wish to regulate or ban things they don't approve of. You know, for the good of the Party and so a Democrat doesn't win. I have lost all of my appetite for "compromising" away my liberty. I cannot stop people with guns and the power of the state behind them from taking it from me, but I can choose not to kneel before them and offer it up on a silver platter. |
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Quoted: CSB. On the other hand, I know too many people that would vote Republican only if the party would get off the pro-life and anti-gay marriage platforms. And on the other other hand, there are a lot of people who would not vote R if the party dropped those planks. |
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I'm unwavering in my support of the second amendment, but on the other hand, I am not my sister's keeper and can not, and will not, ever, tell any woman what she may do to or with her own body and all it contains, even if I may personally disapprove. I am a PURE Libertarian when it comes to individual rights and personal freedoms. What you do to or with your own body is your own business. Whether you turn yourself into the very model of physical perfection through perfect diet and conscientous exercise, or destroy it with drugs, alcohol, and fast hard living without safety equipment, the choice is yours...including the choice to abort. I will not approve of that, but it is your body, and your choice. My stance on that is final and not open to discussion. CJ What he said. And to further what I said, what some woman does with her body - as unfortunate as it may seem, even to me - it does not affect me. The huge deficit, shitty economy, higher taxes and gas prices, etc, etc, etc DO affect me. +1 People who are mad dog rabid on the pro-life issue are the kind of people(usually) who would approve of restricting your rights to meet thier ideological goals. |
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Dear Republican Party; Go fuck yourselves and your laws that regulate against gays, abortion, and any other freedoms you don't find up to your "moral standard". With Love, TheRX7Project Amen. It is my fervent wish that the so-called "social conservatives" go drown themselves. They're a big part of why the Democrats are where they are. I'll vote for a small-government fiscally-conservative Republican who truly loves liberty if I can. Otherwise, I'll vote Libertarian. What's with the scare quotes? That's what they are. "Scare quotes"? I use quotes because those who believe in "social conservatism" are no conservatives at all... they're statists. They believe the State should have veto power over the choices we're allowed to make in our lives. That isn't freedom, and I won't support it. |
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Quoted: I'm unwavering in my support of the second amendment, but on the other hand, I am not my sister's keeper and can not, and will not, ever, tell any woman what she may do to or with her own body and all it contains, even if I may personally disapprove. I am a PURE Libertarian when it comes to individual rights and personal freedoms. What you do to or with your own body is your own business. Whether you turn yourself into the very model of physical perfection through perfect diet and conscientous exercise, or destroy it with drugs, alcohol, and fast hard living without safety equipment, the choice is yours...including the choice to abort. I will not approve of that, but it is your body, and your choice. My stance on that is final and not open to discussion. CJ Sounds like you and I are in the same camp. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dear Republican Party; Go fuck yourselves and your laws that regulate against gays, abortion, and any other freedoms you don't find up to your "moral standard". With Love, TheRX7Project Keep talking like that and you'll undoubtedly get a split in the conservatives. [div] Then it's time for the "social conservatives" to "compromise" and give up their wish to regulate or ban things they don't approve of. You know, for the good of the Party and so a Democrat doesn't win. I have lost all of my appetite for "compromising" away my liberty. I cannot stop people with guns and the power of the state behind them from taking it from me, but I can choose not to kneel before them and offer it up on a silver platter. Or split off and vote with their conscience. I have more in common with a social conservative/fiscal liberal D than a fiscal conservative/social liberal R. |
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And how many of you "Fuck the GOP" are active in your state level Republican Parties. Y'know, go to the meetings where the agendas are made. Talk to the people who make those decisions. Raise money for pro-liberty candidates in the primary? Or are you one of those people who just wait around until the general election and bitch and moan? Yeah, I though so. Grow up.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dear Republican Party; Go fuck yourselves and your laws that regulate against gays, abortion, and any other freedoms you don't find up to your "moral standard". With Love, TheRX7Project Amen. It is my fervent wish that the so-called "social conservatives" go drown themselves. They're a big part of why the Democrats are where they are. I'll vote for a small-government fiscally-conservative Republican who truly loves liberty if I can. Otherwise, I'll vote Libertarian. What's with the scare quotes? That's what they are. "Scare quotes"? I use quotes because those who believe in "social conservatism" are no conservatives at all... they're statists. They believe the State should have veto power over the choices we're allowed to make in our lives. That isn't freedom, and I won't support it. Pro-lifers are no more statist than someone who supports laws against murder. If you want to debate that, take it to the abortion thread going on right now.
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Quoted: Quoted: CSB. On the other hand, I know too many people that would vote Republican only if the party would get off the pro-life and anti-gay marriage platforms. And on the other other hand, there are a lot of people who would not vote R if the party dropped those planks. Good, let them make their own party, the Blue Laws party. I bet enough moderates would run over to the Republicans that we could enjoy a 3 party system. That would be fun, then we could have mountains of Republicans vs. Blue Laws party debates in GD. |
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Dear Republican Party; Go fuck yourselves and your laws that regulate against gays, abortion, and any other freedoms you don't find up to your "moral standard". With Love, TheRX7Project Amen. It is my fervent wish that the so-called "social conservatives" go drown themselves. They're a big part of why the Democrats are where they are. I'll vote for a small-government fiscally-conservative Republican who truly loves liberty if I can. Otherwise, I'll vote Libertarian. What's with the scare quotes? That's what they are. "Scare quotes"? I use quotes because those who believe in "social conservatism" are no conservatives at all... they're statists. They believe the State should have veto power over the choices we're allowed to make in our lives. That isn't freedom, and I won't support it. You are even funnier. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: CSB. On the other hand, I know too many people that would vote Republican only if the party would get off the pro-life and anti-gay marriage platforms. And on the other other hand, there are a lot of people who would not vote R if the party dropped those planks. Good, let them make their own party, the Blue Laws party. I bet enough moderates would run over to the Republicans that we could enjoy a 3 party system. That would be fun, then we could have mountains of Republicans vs. Blue Laws party debates in GD. I think that's reasonable. ETA: Don't we already?
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Quoted: The GOP reflects its base. The voters choose who will challenging Obama. Most Americans want some form of socialism. A rino will be running. Its not so much the GOP has changed, its the voters that changed. The GOP is just reflecting its core. Yup. Many people don't realize this and still vote for them like they represent them. They don't; they care about votes. |
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Dear Republican Party; Go fuck yourselves and your laws that regulate against gays, abortion, and any other freedoms you don't find up to your "moral standard". With Love, TheRX7Project Everyone's allowed their own opinion. The OP posted his, so... Then I looked at: Join date...yep. Post count...low enough. Just sayin'. 
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I'm going to continue to call myself a "Classic Liberal". Calling myself a Republican or a Libertarian or a Conservative aren't quite perfect matches.
On matters such as abortion and drugs, I'm willing for there to be 50 social experiments being conducted by the 50 states and to allow the results of these experiments become clearer over time. I do not wish the Federal government to dilute it's primary mission by attempting to legislate on these issues. On economic liberty, I want the Federal government to cease its attempts to re-allocate wealth. I trust that over the longer time frame that wealth will be apportioned correctly, and that poverty will always exist despite spending trillions on Federal programs. I want to be taxed, minimally, on things I consume, not on how much wealth I create or save or invest. I believe that more safety is created by a citizenry allowed to own small arms equivalent to those carried by a nation's army, than by prohibiting ownership. I believe that individuals can decide what products in the marketplace are safe and effective, and that we do not need government to micromanage our choices. I believe that the government distorts and worsens all markets it offers "programs" for, including: retirement plans, healthcare, mortgages, college loans, agricultural subsidies, and many others. |
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Quoted: U MAD?Quoted: Dear Republican Party; Go fuck yourselves and your laws that regulate against gays, abortion, and any other freedoms you don't find up to your "moral standard". With Love, TheRX7Project Damnit, somebody close the gall darned door, a homo got in! |
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What about abortion in the case of Rape or Incest? It's logically inconsistent to make exceptions like that. If the aborted is not a person, no justification is necessary. If the aborted IS a person, no justification is sufficient. So a woman who is raped and gets pregnant by her attacker(s) is now forced to carry that fetus to term..............that's so....................fucked up. Or some sick bastard who fucks/rapes his 12 yoa daughter and get her pregnant....she now must carry that fetus to term.....again.........see above. Because forcing someone have child under either of the above makes so much "logical" sense. 
ETA: Or the eleven yoa who gets pregnant? - yes i've seen it. 
Or the woman who's life is put at risk if she carries to term? ETA2: Vulcan like logic can be valuable......However, compassion for the living is sometimes more appropriate. |
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Quoted: Disgusting that you would force someone to give birth to their rapists baby..Quoted: What about abortion in the case of Rape or Incest? It's logically inconsistent to make exceptions like that. If the aborted is not a person, no justification is necessary. If the aborted IS a person, no justification is sufficient. |
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Disgusting that you would force someone to give birth to their rapists baby..
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What about abortion in the case of Rape or Incest? It's logically inconsistent to make exceptions like that. If the aborted is not a person, no justification is necessary. If the aborted IS a person, no justification is sufficient. Nowhere near as disgusting as endorsing the murder of an innocent life. Oh, and +1 to the OP's sentiment. |
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Quoted: Quoted: What about abortion in the case of Rape or Incest? I make no exception. It is not the baby's fault. I'm sorry if that offends you, but that is where I stand and I will not waiver. It is also not the rape or incest victims fault... I'm sorry if that offends you, but that is where I stand and I will not waiver. |
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Quoted: ummm, Do you not recall the many threads where you have distinguished my "social conservatism" from your definition of conservatism? These are beliefs that I've held my entire life and will continue to do so until the day I die. I will not vote for Mitt Romney, Chris Christie or any other anti-gun RINO who runs up and promises me a tax cut in exchange for my guns. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What about abortion in the case of Rape or Incest? I make no exception. It is not the baby's fault. I'm sorry if that offends you, but that is where I stand and I will not waiver. It is also not the rape or incest victims fault... I'm sorry if that offends you, but that is where I stand and I will not waiver. Well, it could be the incest victims fault... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What about abortion in the case of Rape or Incest? I make no exception. It is not the baby's fault. I'm sorry if that offends you, but that is where I stand and I will not waiver. It is also not the rape or incest victims fault... I'm sorry if that offends you, but that is where I stand and I will not waiver. Then we have reached an impasse. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What about abortion in the case of Rape or Incest? I make no exception. It is not the baby's fault. I'm sorry if that offends you, but that is where I stand and I will not waiver. It is also not the rape or incest victims fault... I'm sorry if that offends you, but that is where I stand and I will not waiver. Well, it could be the incest victims fault... If they are in a willing incestuous relationship then you are correct |