Posted: 5/19/2011 6:36:57 AM EDT
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The range, on U.S. 63, closed temporarily after Barry and Heather Serier, Randy Everson and members of Citizens for Safe Peaceful Eau Galle Rush River Townships filed a civil suit against the club and its members in 2006, claiming bullets, slugs and shot from the range ended up on their properties.
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The range, on U.S. 63, closed temporarily after Barry and Heather Serier, Randy Everson and members of Citizens for Safe Peaceful Eau Galle Rush River Townships filed a civil suit against the club and its members in 2006, claiming bullets, slugs and shot from the range ended up on their properties. http://www.twincities.com/ci_18086404?nclick_check=1 I'm suspicious of a civic organization with a name 9 words long. |
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Don't laugh - there was a case like this in VA years ago, and the complaining homeowner showed the cops the bullet that had hit the house... It was an unfired cartridge. Similar incident around Woburn, MA a few years ago. Homeowner bought a box of .22s and tossed a few on the roof, then called cops. |
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Or build their house within the corridor of takeoff/landings at a semi busy airport and then become the #1 complainer to the FAA complete with tail numbers of the "low flying" offenders.
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This is one of my pet peeves. People move in to a house/apartment that is nearby a shooting range that has been there for decades. They realize guns make noise and want to shut down the range. Hey moron, move or deal with it, they were there first! 
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In CT we had a TV news reporter hold up shell casings for the camera that supposedly came from a range a mile away. Several times I have left the local range and have had brass fall out of my clothes, especially in the winter months. I have always worried that it would happen in a nearby not so gun friendly place and cause a fuss. |
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My family's range is dealing with the same crap. We've got one guy living nearby that is always causing problems. He finally called the police claiming his house had been hit. With ZERO evidence on a day when no one was shooting. We're shut down right now until we figure this out.
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This is one of my pet peeves. People move in to a house/apartment that is nearby a shooting range that has been there for decades. They realize guns make noise and want to shut down the range. Hey moron, move or deal with it, they were there first!
Same thing happens at race tracks. People suck.
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This is one of my pet peeves. People move in to a house/apartment that is nearby a shooting range that has been there for decades. They realize guns make noise and want to shut down the range. Hey moron, move or deal with it, they were there first!
A wealthy, connected developer built a subdivision ~500yd from a local range and a few months later tried to get it shut down. Too bad for her, MT law protects an established range.  Even her Congresman husband told her she was screwed.
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This is one of my pet peeves. People move in to a house/apartment that is nearby a shooting range that has been there for decades. They realize guns make noise and want to shut down the range. Hey moron, move or deal with it, they were there first!
The range I go to went through this scenario a few years back.  Things were eventually worked out with the county as the land is leased from the county.
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Don't laugh - there was a case like this in VA years ago, and the complaining homeowner showed the cops the bullet that had hit the house... It was an unfired cartridge. I'd have taken his/her statement, had them sign it after reading the part about false statements being punishable by fine and imprisonment. Then arrest them for false statements. I understand people don't like hearing the trap shooters bang away all Sunday but damn, most cases are the homeowner built or bought their house knowing the club was around the corner. These are the same retards that move to the country and then want the smelly cows gone. |
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Or build their house within the corridor of takeoff/landings at a semi busy airport and then become the #1 complainer to the FAA complete with tail numbers of the "low flying" offenders. Dude, in order to land you have to fly pretty low ehhh? Quoted:
This is one of my pet peeves. People move in to a house/apartment that is nearby a shooting range that has been there for decades. They realize guns make noise and want to shut down the range. Hey moron, move or deal with it, they were there first!
Areound here, they buy property and build downwind from dairy operations. 
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We has this happen at our skeet and trap clue. Police were called to a woman's house that about a mile away and the woman showed the cops all the shotgun wadds that were falling into her back yard and hitting her house!!! . Too bad she didn't know a shotgun wadd doesnt go usually further than 30 yards! N
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Don't laugh - there was a case like this in VA years ago, and the complaining homeowner showed the cops the bullet that had hit the house... It was an unfired cartridge. Similar incident around Woburn, MA a few years ago. Homeowner bought a box of .22s and tossed a few on the roof, then called cops.   
Holy fuck people are dumb. Bullets, how do they work? |
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Don't laugh - there was a case like this in VA years ago, and the complaining homeowner showed the cops the bullet that had hit the house... It was an unfired cartridge. Similar incident around Woburn, MA a few years ago. Homeowner bought a box of .22s and tossed a few on the roof, then called cops.
Holy fuck people are dumb. Bullets, how do they work? I blame Follywood for this.... 
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Don't laugh - there was a case like this in VA years ago, and the complaining homeowner showed the cops the bullet that had hit the house... It was an unfired cartridge. Similar incident around Woburn, MA a few years ago. Homeowner bought a box of .22s and tossed a few on the roof, then called cops.
Holy fuck people are dumb. Bullets, how do they work? Sometimes stupid works in our favor. |
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Here is a photo of Mrs. Nimby with the bullets in question: http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/bullets.jpg I remember that pic when it was labeled as some palestinian cunt showing the Israeli bullets that struck her house. The lefties sure are getting a lot of mileage out of that old cow. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Don't laugh - there was a case like this in VA years ago, and the complaining homeowner showed the cops the bullet that had hit the house... It was an unfired cartridge. Similar incident around Woburn, MA a few years ago. Homeowner bought a box of .22s and tossed a few on the roof, then called cops. Would have been interesting to have been the dealer who sold those: Customer: I need some bullets Dealer: What caliber? Customer: The most common kind, nothing expensive Dealer: 22 Cartridges? Customer: Uh, yeah, that will work. Dealer: Brand? Weight? Customer: Just gimme the cheapest. Dealer: Here ya go, tree-fity Customer: Ok, TNX, Bye ............... ............... Dealer: "Hello, ATF? I'd like to report a suspicious individual purchasing ammunition...." tag number, description, etc. ETA, Florida doesn't play that game 790.333 Sport shooting and training range protection; liability; claims, expenses, and fees; penalties; preemption; construction.— (1) LEGISLATIVE FINDINGS.— (a) The Legislature finds that in excess of 400 sport shooting and training ranges exist on public and private lands throughout this state. (b) These sport shooting and training ranges are widely used and enjoyed by the residents of this state and are a necessary component of the guarantees of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and of s. 8, Art. I of the State Constitution. (c) Many of these ranges are used by state and local law enforcement agencies for training, practice, and regular mandatory qualification by law enforcement officers; by Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission hunter safety instructors who teach adults and youngsters in the safe use and handling of firearms in preparation for obtaining hunting licenses; by school boards, colleges, and universities for reserve officer training corps training and activities; by school shooting teams; by Olympic competitors; and by certified instructors who teach the safe use and handling of firearms in preparation for applying for licenses to carry concealed firearms for lawful self-protection. (d) The public policy of the State of Florida is to encourage the safe handling and operation of firearms and mandates appropriate training in the safe use and handling of firearms for persons licensed to carry concealed firearms and for persons licensed to hunt in the state. Sport shooting and training ranges throughout this state provide the location at which this important public purpose is served and at which the firearms training mandates are fulfilled. (e) Projectiles are integral to sport shooting and training range activity and to the ownership and use of firearms. (f) Over years of operation, projectiles have accumulated in the environment at many ranges. Whether this projectile accumulation has caused or will cause degradation of the environment or harm to human health depends on factors that are site-specific. Therefore, sport shooting and training ranges must be allowed flexibility to apply appropriate environmental management practices at ranges. The use of environmental management practices can be implemented to avoid or reduce any potential for adverse environmental impact. (g) The Department of Environmental Protection, in collaboration with shooting range owners and operators, sport shooting organizations, law enforcement representatives, and university researchers, has developed shooting range best management practices in order to minimize any potential for any adverse environmental impact resulting from the operation of shooting ranges. (h) Appropriate environmental management practices, when implemented where applicable, can minimize or eliminate environmental impacts associated with projectiles. Environmental management practices to maintain or to improve the condition of ranges is evolving and will continue to evolve. (i) Unnecessary litigation and unnecessary regulation by governmental agencies of sport shooting and training ranges impairs the ability of residents of this state to ensure safe handling of firearms and to enjoy the recreational opportunities ranges provide. The cost of defending these actions is prohibitive and threatens to bankrupt and destroy the sport shooting and training range industry. (j) The Department of Environmental Protection does not have nor has it ever had authority to force permitting requirements of part IV of chapter 403 on owners and operators of sport shooting and training ranges. (k) The elimination of sport shooting ranges will unnecessarily impair the ability of residents of this state to exercise and practice their constitutional guarantees under the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and under s. 8, Art. I of the State Constitution. (2) LEGISLATIVE INTENT.—The Legislature intends to protect public and private sport shooting or training range owners, operators, users, employees, agents, contractors, customers, lenders, and insurers from lawsuits and other legal actions by the state, special purpose districts, or political subdivisions and to promote maximum flexibility for implementation of environmental management practices and of the principles of risk-based corrective action pursuant to s. 376.30701. It is also the intent of the Legislature that legal action against sport shooting and training ranges will only be a last-resort option and be available only to the department and only after all reasonable efforts to resolve disputes at shooting ranges, including compliance assistance, negotiations, and alternative dispute resolution, have been attempted. (3) DEFINITIONS.—As used in this act: (a) "Department” means the Department of Environmental Protection. (b) "Operator” means any person who operates or has operated a sport shooting or training range. (c) "Owner” means any person who owns or has owned a sport shooting or training range or any interest therein. (d) "Projectile” means any object expelled, propelled, discharged, shot, or otherwise released from a firearm, BB gun, airgun, or similar device, including, but not limited to, gunpowder, ammunition, lead, shot, skeet, and trap targets and associated chemicals, derivatives, and constituents thereof. (e) "Environmental management practices” includes but is not limited to Best Management Practices for Environmental Stewardship of Florida shooting ranges as developed by the Department of Environmental Protection. Such practices include, but are not limited to, control and containment of projectiles, prevention of the migration of projectiles and their constituents to ground and surface water, periodic removal and recycling of projectiles, and documentation of actions taken. (f) "Environment” means the air, water, surface water, sediment, soil, and groundwater and other natural and manmade resources of this state. (g) "User” means any person, partner, joint venture, business or social entity, or corporation, or any group of the foregoing, organized or united for a business, sport, or social purpose. (h) "Sport shooting and training range” or "range” means any area that has been designed, or operated for the use of, firearms, rifles, shotguns, pistols, silhouettes, skeet, trap, black powder, BB guns, airguns, or similar devices, or any other type of sport or training shooting. (4) DUTIES.— (a) No later than January 1, 2005, the department shall make a good faith effort to provide copies of the Best Management Practices for Environmental Stewardship of Florida shooting ranges to all owners or operators of sport shooting or training ranges. The department shall also provide technical assistance with implementing environmental management practices, which may include workshops, demonstrations, or other guidance, if any owner or operator of sport shooting or training ranges requests such assistance. (b) No later than January 1, 2006, sport shooting or training range owners, operators, tenants, or occupants shall implement situation appropriate environmental management practices. (c) If contamination is suspected or identified by any owner, operator, tenant, or occupant of sport shooting or training ranges, any owner, operator, tenant, or occupant of sport shooting or training ranges may request that the department assist with or perform contamination assessment, including, but not limited to, assistance preparing and presenting a plan to confirm the presence and extent of contamination. (d) If contamination is suspected or identified by a third-party complaint or adjacent property sampling events, the department shall give 60 days’ notice to the sport shooting or training range owner, operator, tenant, or occupant of the department’s intent to enter the site for the purpose of investigating potential sources of contamination. The department may assist with or perform contamination assessment, including, but not limited to, assistance preparing and presenting a plan to confirm the presence and extent of contamination. (e) If the department confirms contamination under paragraph (c) or paragraph (d), principles of risk-based corrective action pursuant to s. 376.30701 shall be applied to sport shooting or training ranges. Application of the minimum risk-based corrective action principles shall be the primary responsibility of the sport shooting range or training range owner or operator for implementation, however, the department may assist in these efforts. Risk-based corrective action plans used for these cleanups shall be based upon the presumption that the sport shooting or training range is an industrial use and not a residential use and will continue to be operated as a sport shooting or training range. (5) SPORT shooting AND TRAINING RANGE PROTECTION.— (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any public or private owner, operator, employee, agent, contractor, customer, lender, insurer, or user of any sport shooting or training range located in this state shall have immunity from lawsuits and other legal actions from the state and any of its agencies, special purpose districts, or political subdivisions for any claims of any kind associated with the use, release, placement, deposition, or accumulation of any projectile in the environment, on or under that sport shooting or training range, or any other property over which the range has an easement, leasehold, or other legal right of use, if the sport shooting or training range owner or operator has made a good faith effort to comply with subsection (4). (b) Nothing in this act is intended to impair or diminish the private property rights of owners of property adjoining a sport shooting or training range. (c) The sport shooting and training range protections provided by this act are supplemental to any other protections provided by general law. (6) WITHDRAWALS OF CLAIMS AND RECOVERY OF EXPENSES AND ATTORNEY’S FEES.— (a) Within 90 days after the effective date of this act becoming law, all claims by the state and any of its agencies, special purpose districts, or political subdivisions against sport shooting or training ranges pending in any court of this state or before any administrative agency on January 1, 2004, shall be withdrawn. The termination of such cases shall have no effect on the defendant’s cause of action for damages, reasonable attorney’s fees, and costs. (b) In any action filed in violation of this act after the effective date of this act, the defendant shall recover all expenses resulting from such action from the governmental body, person, or entity bringing such unlawful action. (7) PENALTIES.—Any official, agent, or employee of a county, municipality, town, special purpose district, or other political subdivision or agent of the state, while he or she was acting in his or her official capacity and within the scope of his or her employment or office, who intentionally and maliciously violates the provisions of this section or is party to bringing an action in violation of this section commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in ss. 775.082 and 775.083. (8) PREEMPTION.—Except as expressly provided by general law, the Legislature hereby declares that it is occupying the whole field of regulation of firearms and ammunition use at sport shooting and training ranges, including the environmental effects of projectile deposition at sport shooting and training ranges. (9) The provisions of this act shall supersede any conflicting provisions of chapter 376 or chapter 403. (10) CONSTRUCTION.—This act shall be liberally construed to effectuate its remedial and deterrent purposes. And: 823.16 Sport shooting ranges; definitions; exemption from liability; exemption from specified rules; exemption from nuisance actions; continued operation.— (1) Definitions.—As used in this act, the following terms shall have the following meanings: (a) "Unit of local government” means a unit of local government created or established by law, including, but not limited to, a city, consolidated government, county, metropolitan government, municipality, town, or village. (b) "Person” means an individual, corporation, proprietorship, partnership, association, club, two or more persons having a joint or common interest, or any other legal entity. (c) "Sport shooting range” or "range” means an area designed and operated for the use of rifles, shotguns, pistols, silhouettes, skeet, trap, black powder, or any other similar type of sport shooting. (2) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person who operates or uses a sport shooting range in this state shall not be subject to civil liability or criminal prosecution in any matter relating to noise or noise pollution which results from the operation or use of a sport shooting range, if the range is in compliance with any noise control laws or ordinances adopted by a unit of local government applicable to the range and its operation at the time of construction or initial operation of the range. (3) A person who operates or uses a sport shooting range is not subject to an action for nuisance, and a court of this state shall not enjoin the use or operation of a sport shooting range on the basis of noise or noise pollution, if the range is in compliance with any noise control laws or ordinances that applied to the range and its operation at the time of construction or initial operation of the range. (4) Rules adopted by any state department or agency for limiting levels of noise in terms of decibel levels which may occur in the outdoor atmosphere shall not apply to a sport shooting range exempted from liability under this act. (5) A person who acquires title to or owns real property adversely affected by the use of property with a permanently located and improved sport shooting range shall not maintain a nuisance action against the person who owns the range to restrain, enjoin, or impede the use of the range where there has not been a substantial change in the nature of the use of the range. This section does not prohibit actions for negligence or recklessness in the operation of a sport shooting range or by a person using the range. (6) A sport shooting range that is not in violation of existing law at the time of the enactment of an ordinance applicable to the sport shooting range shall be permitted to continue in operation even if the operation of the sport shooting range does not conform to the new ordinance or an amendment to an existing ordinance, provided the range was not in violation of any law when the range was constructed and provided that the range continues to conform to current National Rifle Association gun safety and shooting range standards. (7) Except as otherwise provided in this act, this act shall not prohibit a local government from regulating the location and construction of a sport shooting range after the effective date of this act. |
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Don't laugh - there was a case like this in VA years ago, and the complaining homeowner showed the cops the bullet that had hit the house... It was an unfired cartridge. Similar incident around Woburn, MA a few years ago. Homeowner bought a box of .22s and tossed a few on the roof, then called cops. [Responding Officer] Do you want to know how I know you are a lying sack of shit?[/Responding Officer] |