Posted: 5/11/2011 6:29:06 AM EDT
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http://matadornetwork.com/change/11-disgusting-facts-about-a-massive-dam-project-just-approved-in-chile
Ultimately, even though the locals are against the project I'm going to have to side with the property owners right to do as they wish with thier land. |
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Bump just to see if anyone cares about the Patagonian wetlands. That's why I think this is a messed up project. There are plenty of examples in the American west of how these type projects create decades worth of havoc on fish populations. Fuck this and fuck Pebble Mine in AK. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Bump just to see if anyone cares about the Patagonian wetlands. That's why I think this is a messed up project. There are plenty of examples in the American west of how these type projects create decades worth of havoc on fish populations. Fuck this and fuck Pebble Mine in AK. Ya, but we have abundant cheap and clean power. Fuck the fish. |
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Bump just to see if anyone cares about the Patagonian wetlands. Nope. I wish Chile great success in building their dams. Glorifying subsistance farmers on the internet as the right way to live is the height of hypocricy. The 11 disgusting things, is actually about 2 or 3. The rest, only an enviro-whacko would be disgusted by. |
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I cant entirely side with the land owners/corporate interests.
Water rights go beyond land ownership rights. Thats not some liberal "for the children" idea either its an idea that even the most hardcore conservative states agree with as well. Not accounting for any ecological impacts as well. |
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Bump just to see if anyone cares about the Patagonian wetlands. Nope. I wish Chile great success in building their dams. Glorifying subsistance farmers on the internet as the right way to live is the height of hypocricy. In America, Eminent Domain was created for this reason. The founders knew that there would occasionally be a need to displace rightful owners given a just reason. Of course, the 'reason' is always up for debate. Nobody likes losing their land for any reason. You can't blame the losers for being pissed. Our own history with dams is quite good. Sure there were problems and injustice that some will focus on, but they will have to ungratefully forget the fresh water supplies, flood moderation and hydroelectric power the dams provide while doing so. |
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Bump just to see if anyone cares about the Patagonian wetlands. Life on this planet has survived massive asteroid impacts, a total global glaciation (snowball earth), the Siberian and Deccan Traps super eruptions, countless super-volcano eruptions (ie Yellowstone), and thousands of continental-sized catastrophes. In a thousand years the great dams of the American West, the Aswan High Dam in Egypt, the Chinese superdams, and this Chilean dam, will all be rubble, and the original or some new similar ecosystem will be in place. Human existence is ephemeral, why insist on living it in a Hobbesian manner? |
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Bump just to see if anyone cares about the Patagonian wetlands. Life on this planet has survived massive asteroid impacts, a total global glaciation (snowball earth), the Siberian and Deccan Traps super eruptions, countless super-volcano eruptions (ie Yellowstone), and thousands of continental-sized catastrophes. In a thousand years the great dams of the American West, the Aswan High Dam in Egypt, the Chinese superdams, and this Chilean dam, will all be rubble, and the original or some new similar ecosystem will be in place. Human existence is ephemeral, why insist on living it in a Hobbesian manner? Thats patently not true as the Baiji River Dolphin would love to tell you. Oh wait, it cant. Its functionally extinct. Along with the Tecopa Pupfish, Javan Tiger and a list of others. To think that man has no lasting effects on the environment is downright imbecilic. |
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Bump just to see if anyone cares about the Patagonian wetlands. Life on this planet has survived massive asteroid impacts, a total global glaciation (snowball earth), the Siberian and Deccan Traps super eruptions, countless super-volcano eruptions (ie Yellowstone), and thousands of continental-sized catastrophes. In a thousand years the great dams of the American West, the Aswan High Dam in Egypt, the Chinese superdams, and this Chilean dam, will all be rubble, and the original or some new similar ecosystem will be in place. Human existence is ephemeral, why insist on living it in a Hobbesian manner? Thats patently not true as the Baiji River Dolphin would love to tell you. Oh wait, it cant. Its functionally extinct. Along with the Tecopa Pupfish, Javan Tiger and a list of others. To think that man has no lasting effects on the environment is downright imbecilic. I don't give a rat's ass about dolphins and the pupfish. Go live in a mud hut and be one with nature if you wish, I'm not going to live in one myself |
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Bump just to see if anyone cares about the Patagonian wetlands. Nope. I wish Chile great success in building their dams. Glorifying subsistance farmers on the internet as the right way to live is the height of hypocricy. The 11 disgusting things, is actually about 2 or 3. The rest, only an enviro-whacko would be disgusted by. Concur. |
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Bump just to see if anyone cares about the Patagonian wetlands. Life on this planet has survived massive asteroid impacts, a total global glaciation (snowball earth), the Siberian and Deccan Traps super eruptions, countless super-volcano eruptions (ie Yellowstone), and thousands of continental-sized catastrophes. In a thousand years the great dams of the American West, the Aswan High Dam in Egypt, the Chinese superdams, and this Chilean dam, will all be rubble, and the original or some new similar ecosystem will be in place. Human existence is ephemeral, why insist on living it in a Hobbesian manner? Thats patently not true as the Baiji River Dolphin would love to tell you. Oh wait, it cant. Its functionally extinct. Along with the Tecopa Pupfish, Javan Tiger and a list of others. To think that man has no lasting effects on the environment is downright imbecilic. I don't give a rat's ass about dolphins and the pupfish. Go live in a mud hut and be one with nature if you wish, I'm not going to live in one myself Important word has been colored..... |
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probably 99% of species that have existed are extinct. Dinos, etc.... Insects, fish and various critters that have existed throughout time are extinct....
I guess if the poor River dolphin only lives in that one space, well, Nature has decided that you are the Weakest Link... Goodbye.. |
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probably 99% of species that have existed are extinct. Dinos, etc.... Insects, fish and various critters that have existed throughout time are extinct.... I guess if the poor River dolphin only lives in that one space, well, Nature has decided that you are the Weakest Link... Goodbye.. Really?? NATURE decided that did it? |
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probably 99% of species that have existed are extinct. Dinos, etc.... Insects, fish and various critters that have existed throughout time are extinct.... I guess if the poor River dolphin only lives in that one space, well, Nature has decided that you are the Weakest Link... Goodbye.. Really?? NATURE decided that did it? humans are part of nature, right? it's not our fault we're the top species on this planet. now, purposely polluting the earth is one thing but creating a new source of electricity (which includes increased wealth and jobs) outweighs the benefits of having a bunch of land that is nice to look at. i for one am not willing to go back to mud huts, no indoor plumbing, and no electricity due to people wanting most land to be off limits. |