[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How long can we keep this up? (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 5/10/2011 8:57:58 PM EDT
Emma Maersk - Super container ship arrives from China 15,000 containers and a crew of just 13 men. Too wide for the Panama or Suez Canals, it is strictly trans-Pacific. Cruising at 31 knots means goods arrive 4 days before other container ships on a China / California run. Danish built at a cost of US $145,000,000+. But most of these containers are shipped back to China EMPTY! That's right - the US sends almost nothing back. What does that tell you about it's current financial state? http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=17257 |
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Picture looks fake It's a real ship. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_M%C3%A6rsk |
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The money we send back in return moves electronically, that's why the ship returns empty. I don't see the problem. I hope to never see the day my countrymen are stamping out cheap widgets for $2 a day. That's Marxism 101: Redistribution of wealth. Funny you always hear liberals pissing about big evil republicans outsourcing every job they possibly can. Watch how fast they STFU when you tell them that outsourcing took China and India out of the dark ages. |
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that thing is huge. if the world ever gets completely covered in water i'm gonna take over that ship and make it my base.  You find the powder blue appealing, do you? 
Or are you trying to one-up Dennis Hopper and his ugly rusty oil tanker? and you'll be the guy in a row boat with a measuring stick in the giant fuel tank telling me how much go juice we have left 
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and you'll be the guy in a row boat with a measuring stick in the giant fuel tank telling me how much go juice we have left Not likely. That far into the future after any major event, I'll be long dead. Quoted:
Holy crap. First several posts were from people that actually have a grasp of econ. I'm proud.  I don't see how you can be proud of a one-way trade relationship that doesn't benefit us. |
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that thing is huge. if the world ever gets completely covered in water i'm gonna take over that ship and make it my base. You find the powder blue appealing, do you?
Or are you trying to one-up Dennis Hopper and his ugly rusty oil tanker? Now all I can think of is Jessica Biel stripping |
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and you'll be the guy in a row boat with a measuring stick in the giant fuel tank telling me how much go juice we have left Not likely. That far into the future after any major event, I'll be long dead. Quoted:
Holy crap. First several posts were from people that actually have a grasp of econ. I'm proud. I don't see how you can be proud of a one-way trade relationship that doesn't benefit us. America gets cheaper products. How is that not beneficial? |
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Quoted: Quoted: and you'll be the guy in a row boat with a measuring stick in the giant fuel tank telling me how much go juice we have left Not likely. That far into the future after any major event, I'll be long dead. Quoted: Holy crap. First several posts were from people that actually have a grasp of econ. I'm proud. I don't see how you can be proud of a one-way trade relationship that doesn't benefit us. But it does. Many consumer goods are cheaper because they are made where they are most efficient. The standard of living is higher in the US because people have more money to spend. "But those jobs should be over here!!!" No, they should not. If they were you would give SOME people jobs, but at the expense of EVERY consumer and the effect to the economy is a net loss. Just as when Bush imposed steel tariffs in 2001. It saved a couple of thousand steel jobs which paid $40-60K a year, but it was at an economic cost of $200K or so PER JOB. Of course I just wasted my breath. You don't WANT to get it. 
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America gets cheaper products. How is that not beneficial? When no one here is employed and we've outsourced our manufacturing base, who's going to buy even the cheapest goods? Quoted:
But it does. Many consumer goods are cheaper because they are made where they are most efficient. The standard of living is higher in the US because people have more money to spend. "But those jobs should be over here!!!" No, they should not. If they were you would give SOME people jobs, but at the expense of EVERY consumer and the effect to the economy is a net loss. Just as when Bush imposed steel tariffs in 2001. It saved a couple of thousand steel jobs which paid $40-60K a year, but it was at an economic cost of $200K or so PER JOB. Of course I just wasted my breath. You don't WANT to get it. Sorry, I don't see where it benefits anyone but the stockholders of the companies selling the cheap goods. |
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America gets cheaper products. How is that not beneficial? When no one here is employed and we've outsourced our manufacturing base, who's going to buy even the cheapest goods? Quoted:
But it does. Many consumer goods are cheaper because they are made where they are most efficient. The standard of living is higher in the US because people have more money to spend. "But those jobs should be over here!!!" No, they should not. If they were you would give SOME people jobs, but at the expense of EVERY consumer and the effect to the economy is a net loss. Just as when Bush imposed steel tariffs in 2001. It saved a couple of thousand steel jobs which paid $40-60K a year, but it was at an economic cost of $200K or so PER JOB. Of course I just wasted my breath. You don't WANT to get it. Sorry, I don't see where it benefits anyone but the stockholders of the companies selling the cheap goods. It doesn't. Manufacturing is the ticket to prosperity. The Chinese aren't poised to become the #1 economy shortly from selling software consulting. It's due to manufacturing. The situation is clear as day, yet so many are willing to ignore the truth. One semester of Econ 101 their Freshmen year in college and they are ready to embrace globalism. Sad, very sad. |
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and you'll be the guy in a row boat with a measuring stick in the giant fuel tank telling me how much go juice we have left Not likely. That far into the future after any major event, I'll be long dead. Quoted:
Holy crap. First several posts were from people that actually have a grasp of econ. I'm proud. I don't see how you can be proud of a one-way trade relationship that doesn't benefit us. But it does. Many consumer goods are cheaper because they are made where they are most efficient. The standard of living is higher in the US because people have more money to spend. "But those jobs should be over here!!!" No, they should not. If they were you would give SOME people jobs, but at the expense of EVERY consumer and the effect to the economy is a net loss. Just as when Bush imposed steel tariffs in 2001. It saved a couple of thousand steel jobs which paid $40-60K a year, but it was at an economic cost of $200K or so PER JOB. Of course I just wasted my breath. You don't WANT to get it. I remember the steel worker example from my textbook "The Economics of Public Issues." I kept it rather than selling it back, the whole book is basically about the unintended consequences that occur when government tries to fuck with markets, or how the markets wind up fucked due to other government policies. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Quoted: so you do not think you get a benefit by buying cheaper goods?Quoted: America gets cheaper products. How is that not beneficial? When no one here is employed and we've outsourced our manufacturing base, who's going to buy even the cheapest goods? Quoted: But it does. Many consumer goods are cheaper because they are made where they are most efficient. The standard of living is higher in the US because people have more money to spend. "But those jobs should be over here!!!" No, they should not. If they were you would give SOME people jobs, but at the expense of EVERY consumer and the effect to the economy is a net loss. Just as when Bush imposed steel tariffs in 2001. It saved a couple of thousand steel jobs which paid $40-60K a year, but it was at an economic cost of $200K or so PER JOB. Of course I just wasted my breath. You don't WANT to get it. Sorry, I don't see where it benefits anyone but the stockholders of the companies selling the cheap goods. |
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It doesn't. Manufacturing is the ticket to prosperity. The Chinese aren't poised to become the #1 economy shortly from selling software consulting. It's due to manufacturing. The situation is clear as day, yet so many are willing to ignore the truth. One semester of Econ 101 their Freshmen year in college and they are ready to embrace globalism. Sad, very sad. Trade is the ticket to prosperity. |
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Quoted: Quoted: America gets cheaper products. How is that not beneficial? When no one here is employed and we've outsourced our manufacturing base, who's going to buy even the cheapest goods? Quoted: But it does. Many consumer goods are cheaper because they are made where they are most efficient. The standard of living is higher in the US because people have more money to spend. "But those jobs should be over here!!!" No, they should not. If they were you would give SOME people jobs, but at the expense of EVERY consumer and the effect to the economy is a net loss. Just as when Bush imposed steel tariffs in 2001. It saved a couple of thousand steel jobs which paid $40-60K a year, but it was at an economic cost of $200K or so PER JOB. Of course I just wasted my breath. You don't WANT to get it. Sorry, I don't see where it benefits anyone but the stockholders of the companies selling the cheap goods. THE PRODUCTS YOU BUY AT THE STORE ARE CHEAPER!!!!!! I don't know how it can be any clearer. And as far as the US manufacturing base? Find out what the top five manufacturing economies in the world are and the numbers. Post them here. If you are man enough. |
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Quoted: Quoted: America gets cheaper products. How is that not beneficial? When no one here is employed and we've outsourced our manufacturing base, who's going to buy even the cheapest goods? Quoted: But it does. Many consumer goods are cheaper because they are made where they are most efficient. The standard of living is higher in the US because people have more money to spend. "But those jobs should be over here!!!" No, they should not. If they were you would give SOME people jobs, but at the expense of EVERY consumer and the effect to the economy is a net loss. Just as when Bush imposed steel tariffs in 2001. It saved a couple of thousand steel jobs which paid $40-60K a year, but it was at an economic cost of $200K or so PER JOB. Of course I just wasted my breath. You don't WANT to get it. Sorry, I don't see where it benefits anyone but the stockholders of the companies selling the cheap goods. Quit whining and buy some shares of those companies then. Or would you rather force companies maintain inefficient factories here? Using good Union Labor? (That's a rhetorical question to ask you I know.) |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: America gets cheaper products. How is that not beneficial? When no one here is employed and we've outsourced our manufacturing base, who's going to buy even the cheapest goods? Quoted: But it does. Many consumer goods are cheaper because they are made where they are most efficient. The standard of living is higher in the US because people have more money to spend. "But those jobs should be over here!!!" No, they should not. If they were you would give SOME people jobs, but at the expense of EVERY consumer and the effect to the economy is a net loss. Just as when Bush imposed steel tariffs in 2001. It saved a couple of thousand steel jobs which paid $40-60K a year, but it was at an economic cost of $200K or so PER JOB. Of course I just wasted my breath. You don't WANT to get it. Sorry, I don't see where it benefits anyone but the stockholders of the companies selling the cheap goods. It doesn't. Manufacturing is the ticket to prosperity. The Chinese aren't poised to become the #1 economy shortly from selling software consulting. It's due to manufacturing. The situation is clear as day, yet so many are willing to ignore the truth. One semester of Econ 101 their Freshmen year in college and they are ready to embrace globalism. Sad, very sad. Can you tell us what decade the service economy in the US eclipsed the manufacturing economy? |
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Quoted: Quoted: a crew of just 13 men. Rather uncharacteristic of a nation with dirt-cheap labor rates... The ship is Danish owned and operated, not Chinese. They have a new class of even bigger ships on order, 16% more cargo capacity. ETA: The new EEE-class ships will be too big for US ports and will operate Asia-Europe.
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Quoted: It doesn't. Manufacturing is the ticket to prosperity. The Chinese aren't poised to become the #1 economy shortly from selling software consulting. It's due to manufacturing. The situation is clear as day, yet so many are willing to ignore the truth. One semester of Econ 101 their Freshmen year in college and they are ready to embrace globalism. Sad, very sad. Don't need no fancy book learnin', I see. |
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Quoted: Quoted: It doesn't. Manufacturing is the ticket to prosperity. The Chinese aren't poised to become the #1 economy shortly from selling software consulting. It's due to manufacturing. The situation is clear as day, yet so many are willing to ignore the truth. One semester of Econ 101 their Freshmen year in college and they are ready to embrace globalism. Sad, very sad. Trade is the ticket to prosperity. Commerce FTW. Commerce with high ticket items is better. Commerce that nets a lot of money but with little physical inputs is the top dog. Guess what that stuff is? |
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America gets cheaper products. How is that not beneficial? When no one here is employed and we've outsourced our manufacturing base, who's going to buy even the cheapest goods? Quoted:
But it does. Many consumer goods are cheaper because they are made where they are most efficient. The standard of living is higher in the US because people have more money to spend. "But those jobs should be over here!!!" No, they should not. If they were you would give SOME people jobs, but at the expense of EVERY consumer and the effect to the economy is a net loss. Just as when Bush imposed steel tariffs in 2001. It saved a couple of thousand steel jobs which paid $40-60K a year, but it was at an economic cost of $200K or so PER JOB. Of course I just wasted my breath. You don't WANT to get it. Sorry, I don't see where it benefits anyone but the stockholders of the companies selling the cheap goods. Those are the only people the company is supposed to benefit. Let me guess, these companies should take a "small" hit to their profits so they can hold their head high,benefit "society", and satisfy you by paying Joe Blow the life failure $40k to stare at a machine squirting out, cutting, and packaging a steady stream of fake dog poop. Never mind the fact that Joe Blow has spent his whole life willfully and deliberately ignoring the opportunity all around him. Jus give me thet hi pain jeb, ma kis has ta eat. Fuck that. I will be in tears the day the kind of manufacturing done in China makes it back to these shores. |
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The decline of our standard of living in a picture The standard of living in the US and in the rest of the civilized world is currently higher than at any point in history. A lot of this is due to the outsourcing of manufacturing to low-income countries. |
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It doesn't. Manufacturing is the ticket to prosperity. The Chinese aren't poised to become the #1 economy shortly from selling software consulting. It's due to manufacturing. The situation is clear as day, yet so many are willing to ignore the truth. One semester of Econ 101 their Freshmen year in college and they are ready to embrace globalism. Sad, very sad. "Poised to become?" Sounds ominous... Precisely when do you believe that a country with an economy roughly 33% the size of ours is going to surpass the US? Also, "globalism?" Perhaps you should revisit your entry level courses. There is a huge difference between the fallacy of "globalism" and the factual existence of a global economy. |
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It doesn't. Manufacturing is the ticket to prosperity. The Chinese aren't poised to become the #1 economy shortly from selling software consulting. It's due to manufacturing. The situation is clear as day, yet so many are willing to ignore the truth. One semester of Econ 101 their Freshmen year in college and they are ready to embrace globalism. Sad, very sad. "Poised to become?" Sounds ominous... Precisely when do you believe that a country with an economy roughly 33% the size of ours is going to surpass the US? Also, "globalism?" Perhaps you should revisit your entry level courses. There is a huge difference between the fallacy of "globalism" and the factual existence of a global economy. Don't waste your time with these trade protectionists, most are union shills and can't be reasoned with. |
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At least we can still get goods that are made somewhere.
The US government has fucked over manufacturing in the US for so long, it is hopeless to start a manufacturing company in the US. I meant HOPELESS. But for now, the Ponzy financial system lets us borrow to buy goods from productive countries like China. Once the financial jig is up, those ships will stop coming, and Americans won't be able to buy shit. |
| Aside from the economic problems everything being made in China causes I'm amazed at the sheer amount of shit on just one of those things. And how many dock on the west coast every week? Makes me wonder what the fuck we're doing with all that bull shit. Of course taking a walk on garbage day reveals a lot of it. Busted particle board and cheap plastic crap right back in the box it came in thrown out on the curb. It's kind of like a race between totally sinking our economy or tuning the country into one giant mound of imported crap. |