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4/20/2011 7:15:07 PM EDT
Remember when it was all the rage to get someone to give you a gmail invite?

Now they link your accounts, every computer you log into to check your email suddenly gets associated with you and all your google searches show up as ads in the email.

I was researching a client case on a claim against a veterinarian.

Just doing google research at my desk at work.  

Got home, checked my gmail, and there's all sorts of vet related ads in the side bar.

I've got an old AOL account still out there.   Damned if I might not just go back to it.  

Or maybe the service from the kids at MIT.   Might be worth the $10 a month just to have some got damned privacy.

http://luxsci.com/blog/

4/20/2011 7:16:49 PM EDT
[#1]
The amount of big-brotheresque tracking that goes on these days is frightening. Between facebook, Google, and my iPhone, every aspect of my life is logged and tracked.

4/20/2011 7:17:15 PM EDT
[#2]
I just noticed today, it linked EVERY YouTube video I've ever watched.  Crazy.
4/20/2011 7:18:37 PM EDT
[#3]
No way to escape it...

I'd rather Google have my data than Yahoo or Microsoft...
4/20/2011 7:19:17 PM EDT
[#4]
I think gmail actually scans your email for keywords and links adds based on what it found.  I don't know.  I don't have a gmail account.  I'm just saying this based on what my friends have shown me.
4/20/2011 7:20:07 PM EDT
[#5]
I actualy pay 30 dollers a year for 3 email address from a company that i previously had a dialup  account with. when i dropped the dial up i simply asked the owner if i could contiunue to pay for the rights to keep my email act with him. he shrugged and thought about it a min and said 30 bucks a year ok? me: yup here it is.

fuck gmail, hotmail, yahoo and all the trashmail.coms there is..
4/20/2011 7:20:17 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
No way to escape it...

I'd rather Google have my data than Yahoo or Microsoft...


Sure about that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6e7wfDHzew

4/20/2011 7:20:28 PM EDT
[#7]
I never use it I've stuck to Yahoo mail for more than a decade and tend to use it the most. The only other email I use is my college email.
4/20/2011 7:21:32 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
The amount of big-brotheresque tracking that goes on these days is frightening. Between facebook, Google, and my iPhone, every aspect of my life is logged and tracked.



The price of a free email account.  
4/20/2011 7:22:39 PM EDT
[#9]
Yeah, the amount of account linking involved with gmail and facebook is starting to piss me off.
4/20/2011 7:26:11 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Yeah, the amount of account linking involved with gmail and facebook is starting to piss me off.


I thought I was the only one. What I fear is Google taking over the desktop OS market, and as I understand it they are working on just that.
4/20/2011 7:32:20 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
No way to escape it...

I'd rather Google have my data than Yahoo or Microsoft...


Sure about that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6e7wfDHzew



I kinda wanna bone that reporter. Don't know why, but she gives me a raging hard on.
4/20/2011 7:34:33 PM EDT
[#12]
No, gmail is great. Don't be stooopid.
4/20/2011 7:40:15 PM EDT
[#13]
GMail ads don't bother me; they're plain text and easy to ignore.  Nothing worse than the full-screen pop-up Flash ads on other websites...
4/20/2011 7:42:09 PM EDT
[#14]
I thought there was a method to opt out of the personalized ads.

Google is the debil!

What ads?
4/20/2011 7:42:41 PM EDT
[#15]
I use my work email for a lot of my stuff. Love exchange mail with links to my phones. I am the exchange admin though so I know who is reading what mail on the system.
4/20/2011 7:44:45 PM EDT
[#16]
I've been contemplating getting a gold membership and seeing what the arfcom email system is all about.



It might be worthwhile as I also fucking hate Gmail.
4/20/2011 7:45:24 PM EDT
[#17]
Load Adblock Plus = No ads from Google.





Profit.

 
4/20/2011 7:49:21 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
Quoted:
No way to escape it...

I'd rather Google have my data than Yahoo or Microsoft...


Sure about that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6e7wfDHzew



Yep...
4/20/2011 7:50:35 PM EDT
[#19]
Nope.



Gmail has all my contact numbers and emails for all my friends. Which is synced to my Android phone so I never worry about breaking my phone and loosing my contacts. Then I link facebook to my phone's contact list that comes from gmail and voila! I have a facebook photo for each person on my contact list.




With google I can post on someones' wall, read their status, call them, text them, etc... And in return they get to know that I like porn and own guns. I feel very confident that with the amount of background research the US military has put into me, there aint much I care about google knowing. If it's good enough for a clearance, it's good enough for google to know
4/20/2011 7:50:40 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Quoted:
No way to escape it...

I'd rather Google have my data than Yahoo or Microsoft...


Sure about that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6e7wfDHzew



Google Toilet
4/20/2011 8:03:20 PM EDT
[#21]





Load Adblock Plus = No ads from Google.
Profit.

 

But they still know everything about you.

 
4/20/2011 8:14:11 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
Nope.

Gmail has all my contact numbers and emails for all my friends. Which is synced to my Android phone so I never worry about breaking my phone and loosing my contacts. Then I link facebook to my phone's contact list that comes from gmail and voila! I have a facebook photo for each person on my contact list.

With google I can post on someones' wall, read their status, call them, text them, etc... And in return they get to know that I like porn and own guns. I feel very confident that with the amount of background research the US military has put into me, there aint much I care about google knowing. If it's good enough for a clearance, it's good enough for google to know


Yeah, right until the "National Health Care Authority" makes it compulsory under the law to identify all Americans creating "unreasonable health risks" and you get identified by google because of your gun hobby.   Or maybe people will figure out that "friends" linked by phone, facebook, etc., have correlation in terms of driving accidents, insurance losses, credit risks, etc., and start analyzing you in that fashion too.

I'm glad you're a charitable fellow, but if there is anything the history of human kind shows, it is that that kind of power is always ALWAYS abused and misused.

4/20/2011 8:15:45 PM EDT
[#23]
Very content with my Gmail account.
4/20/2011 8:20:09 PM EDT
[#24]
I'm ok with my gmail account..   There are ways to block/stop that crap they do.
4/20/2011 8:25:27 PM EDT
[#25]
I like my Gmail. Very little (less than 1%, I think) spam gets through the filter and I don't see any ads. I use Firefox and Adblocker so maybe that's why. I have yet to find any reason not to like Gmail.
4/20/2011 8:31:29 PM EDT
[#26]



Quoted:



Quoted:

Yeah, the amount of account linking involved with gmail and facebook is starting to piss me off.




I thought I was the only one. What I fear is Google taking over the desktop OS market, and as I understand it they are working on just that.


Been saying this for a while and most people (including many here) thought I was just nuts.



Get firefox with noscript and see for yourself how much google and facebook really do track your travels on the interwebs.



 
4/20/2011 8:42:13 PM EDT
[#27]



Quoted:


Remember when it was all the rage to get someone to give you a gmail invite?



Now they link your accounts, every computer you log into to check your email suddenly gets associated with you and all your google searches show up as ads in the email.



I was researching a client case on a claim against a veterinarian.



Just doing google research at my desk at work.  



Got home, checked my gmail, and there's all sorts of vet related ads in the side bar.



I've got an old AOL account still out there.   Damned if I might not just go back to it.  



Or maybe the service from the kids at MIT.   Might be worth the $10 a month just to have some got damned privacy.



http://luxsci.com/blog/



What you've described will only get worse in the future with any provider. I like being able to sync my contacts, calendar and email w/ my Droid more than I'm concerned with Google having perfected tracking my web traffic for advertising. Unless you go out of your way to use encryption and proxies, you'll never win that battle.





 
4/20/2011 8:58:53 PM EDT
[#28]
I use mail.com and really like it.
I like the way you can trash your spam bin without ever looking at it.
4/20/2011 9:06:35 PM EDT
[#29]
If you don't want to see ads in Gmail you have the option of using the HTML interface, or POP or IMAP.    end quote

This was on my gmail.  So how do you use this?
4/20/2011 9:11:02 PM EDT
[#30]
I only use gmail for the calendar on my droid.



Yahoo mail is my workhorse.
4/20/2011 9:13:05 PM EDT
[#31]
I've had yahoo mail for about 16 years, and I use gmail sparingly
4/20/2011 9:16:49 PM EDT
[#32]


The only purpose my Gmail account serves is for me to be able to make phone calls using my Google Voice number from my computer. My real email accounts are via my own domain name with Godaddy. My trash accounts are with aim or yahoo.



4/20/2011 9:17:58 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Yeah, the amount of account linking involved with gmail and facebook is starting to piss me off.


I thought I was the only one. What I fear is Google taking over the desktop OS market, and as I understand it they are working on just that.
Kind of already have with Android. When their new OP comes out for desktops and such it will probably be this new "cloud" shit like linex and others are pushing. It's even worse for trying to keep things private, key word TRRYYY

4/20/2011 9:20:31 PM EDT
[#34]
Yeah. I seem to be getting a lot more spam than I ever have before. It's really no big deal with the separate folder, but it is annoying.
4/20/2011 10:02:21 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
Remember when it was all the rage to get someone to give you a gmail invite?

Now they link your accounts, every computer you log into to check your email suddenly gets associated with you and all your google searches show up as ads in the email.

I was researching a client case on a claim against a veterinarian.

Just doing google research at my desk at work.  

Got home, checked my gmail, and there's all sorts of vet related ads in the side bar.

I've got an old AOL account still out there.   Damned if I might not just go back to it.  

Or maybe the service from the kids at MIT.   Might be worth the $10 a month just to have some got damned privacy.

http://luxsci.com/blog/



since i am a it guy who is a exchange engineer, i simply run my own server(s) at home so dont use google other than for email from signing up for stuff online or as a secondary email for contacting me.  Its their network, their bandwidth and their rules.  if you dont like what they do with your email dont use them its really as simple as that.  Im not sticking up for googles privacy practices but it is what it is.  there are ways around google collecting information on your searches like using a proxy to route your web traffic through or sites that search google for you, i think one was goog.com.  dunno, most of my searches are for It related stuff and honestly google cant be beat for that.
4/20/2011 10:04:39 PM EDT
[#36]



Quoted:


The amount of big-brotheresque tracking that goes on these days is frightening. Between facebook, Google, and my iPhone, every aspect of my life is logged and tracked.





think about this.. if you are "tracked" long enough, they could then predict your behavior, maybe even better then you could



 
4/20/2011 10:11:59 PM EDT
[#37]
I have a gmail account.

I never thought it was under .gov monitoring.

I don't care either way.

4/20/2011 10:22:32 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:
Nope.

Gmail has all my contact numbers and emails for all my friends. Which is synced to my Android phone so I never worry about breaking my phone and loosing my contacts. Then I link facebook to my phone's contact list that comes from gmail and voila! I have a facebook photo for each person on my contact list.

With google I can post on someones' wall, read their status, call them, text them, etc... And in return they get to know that I like porn and own guns. I feel very confident that with the amount of background research the US military has put into me, there aint much I care about google knowing. If it's good enough for a clearance, it's good enough for google to know


I take it you aren't on PRP.
4/20/2011 10:26:24 PM EDT
[#39]
What ads?
4/20/2011 10:29:11 PM EDT
[#40]
I used Gmail for my Xoom, but Im never logged in at home, plus I use firefox.

Firefox + "Private browsing mode" = WIN
4/20/2011 11:59:13 PM EDT
[#41]
Firefox + Private email server + Linux + AdBlock + NoScript + TACO +WOT = A Great Deal of Freedom.

Gmail is excellent for backing up files to, once you've double encrypted them with PGP 2048 or better and the private key is on a thumb drive in a vault beneath your house, next to the cyanide capsules.
4/21/2011 12:35:15 AM EDT
[#42]



Quoted:


Firefox + Private email server + Linux + AdBlock + NoScript + TACO +WOT = A Great Deal of Freedom.



Gmail is excellent for backing up files to, once you've double encrypted them with PGP 2048 or better and the private key is on a thumb drive in a vault beneath your house, next to the cyanide capsules.


Please komrade do not be forgetting the family of rabid AK wielding possums living in the krawlspace to further protekt the valuable key of public and private.



I must now go and feed my minions.





Also, big +1 on firefox etc.



 
4/21/2011 12:44:20 AM EDT
[#43]
I barely notice the ads.  In fact, I have to struggle to remember they're even there.

The 'data' they keep about me?  Oh, I searched for a particular tablet or car part or microfiber towel.... THEY KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT ME!!!!


Tighten up your tinfoil dudes.
4/21/2011 12:44:40 AM EDT
[#44]
I no longer login to gmail on a computer.  I just get my mail on my blackberry and there is no ads.  I typically deal with more text than html emails.  Mostly work related stuff and I didn't want an email address that reads [email protected]  so I just gave them my gmail address instead.  Works for me and I see no reason to change since my entire extended family knows my email address.
4/21/2011 7:10:20 AM EDT
[#45]
Quoted:
I no longer login to gmail on a computer.  I just get my mail on my blackberry and there is no ads.  I typically deal with more text than html emails.  Mostly work related stuff and I didn't want an email address that reads [email protected]  so I just gave them my gmail address instead.  Works for me and I see no reason to change since my entire extended family knows my email address.


Yeah, the thing is... I still think google is "mining" the content of your emails to tailor search stuff even if you never use the service.

The funny thing is how blatant they are.

Here's their privacy policy.   At bottom it says nice things, basically that they'll only give out information about you if they have your permission.

http://www.google.com/intl/en/privacy/privacy-policy.html

But wait, here's their Terms and Conditions:

http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS?hl=en

Take a good look at item 7.2.   And all of article 11.

There's you giving them blanket permission.   So you combine the documents and they say, we won't use your shit unless you give us permission, and in the other document, you give that permission.

Then look at section 13.5.    When you end your relationship, those irrevocable perpetual licenses you have given to everything you've  put through the site stay active, forever.


4/21/2011 7:17:33 AM EDT
[#46]
I log out of gmail before doing any Google searches.  My youtube account is linked to a gmail account that I created solely for that youtube account.
4/21/2011 7:19:22 AM EDT
[#47]
It's not like they hide this stuff.

Gmail is still relevant and very useful to me. Their video chat is a great feature.

All depends on how much opsec you are hoping to achieve.
4/21/2011 7:19:52 AM EDT
[#48]
Most companies and people are switching TO gmail, not away from it.

The free accounts have 25gigs of storage and the ability to access it from anywhere, what's there not to like?

4/21/2011 7:26:39 AM EDT
[#49]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
Yeah, the amount of account linking involved with gmail and facebook is starting to piss me off.


I thought I was the only one. What I fear is Google taking over the desktop OS market, and as I understand it they are working on just that.

Been saying this for a while and most people (including many here) thought I was just nuts.

Get firefox with noscript and see for yourself how much google and facebook really do track your travels on the interwebs.
 


A lot of the google stuff is prevalent because Google Analytics is used by a whole ton of companies to research click patterns, etc. on their own websites so they can continually work on optimizing the site based on user behaviors. Sort of like Omniture by Adobe... but it's more sinister if Google provides it I guess.
4/21/2011 7:29:13 AM EDT
[#50]
I have all my phone contacts in my gmail account for easy transfer. I'm not going back to hotmail. I just forward my hotmail shit to my gmail account so I don't have to change my email.
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