[ARCHIVED THREAD] - open carry vs concealed (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/27/2011 7:22:25 PM EDT
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Please.... someone logically explain to me why ANY state would allow concealed and not both concealed and open carry....
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If you are looking for "logic" when it comes to how laws evolved among the states, you are going to wind up pretty frustrated.
Laws are a hodgepodge of reactions, often "knee-jerk" reactions, to transient conditions and attitudes of various periods of time going back for ages. |
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you have opened: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_J3zMY9sgt9A/TCnuj3kqLkI/AAAAAAAAAJc/Q5rrDRXNEVA/s1600/canofworms.gif Thats awesome!!!!!!!! bottom line... cant apply logic to this situation,,,, |
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Quoted: Visible guns make sheeple nervous. Except in Africa. Last time I looked, Virginia isn't in Africa. You might also say the modern open carry movement originated here in Virginia. As for the OP's question, it's likely a power and control thing. Here we don't need to ask or pay for permission to open carry, but do for a concealed handgun permit. Those in power like to control people, and a good way of doing that is to require the serfs to pay for a permission slip to exercise a right. |
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Because lawmakers think that the everyday person, upon seeing a weapon, will immediately escalate a situation to the point where the weapon will be used.
or Lawmakers think that everyday people will suddenly have the urge to grab the gun and shoot kids on the playground. |
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because they know if a bunch of good honest people start open carrying everywhere and giving the public a good opinion of gun owners they will lose the battle and have pretty much no gun laws. I believe the relatively large amount of people who open carry even in urban areas of Arizona has a great deal to do with the shortage of anti gun people. Even our democrats have guns. |
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WI dosent allow concealed carry which pisses me off.
If criminals walk into a store planning on robbing the place. Im OPEN carrying, they can walk up behind me, pull a gun and take mine. Now they will have a 1,000+ dollar custom glock 21, with 230gr federal HST. Thats better than whatever piece of crap they had. Open carry is pointless, you need the element of surprise. The bad guy cant know your armed. |
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WI dosent allow concealed carry which pisses me off. If criminals walk into a store planning on robbing the place. Im OPEN carrying, they can walk up behind me, pull a gun and take mine. Now they will have a 1,000+ dollar custom glock 21, with 230gr federal HST. Thats better than whatever piece of crap they had. Open carry is pointless, you need the element of surprise. The bad guy cant know your armed. The lesson learned here is to spend $450 on a stock glock and spend $550 on weapon retention lessons and a decent holster. And to misparaphrase master card, situational awareness = priceless. your premis is that a crook who generally wants nothing more than to make fast money with a minimum of fuss will instantly escalate to a lethal encounter rather than walk away and hit the place next door where no one is strapped. logic fail. |
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Quoted: Damnn. Quoted: WI dosent allow concealed carry which pisses me off. If criminals walk into a store planning on robbing the place. Im OPEN carrying, they can walk up behind me, pull a gun and take mine. Now they will have a 1,000+ dollar custom glock 21, with 230gr federal HST. Thats better than whatever piece of crap they had. Open carry is pointless, you need the element of surprise. The bad guy cant know your armed. The lesson learned here is to spend $450 on a stock glock and spend $550 on weapon retention lessons and a decent holster. And to misparaphrase master card, situational awareness = priceless.  Custom glock $1,000 Uncle mikes holster $15 .45 acp $8 Situational Awareness $Priceless$ |
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WI dosent allow concealed carry which pisses me off. If criminals walk into a store planning on robbing the place. Im OPEN carrying, they can walk up behind me, pull a gun and take mine. Now they will have a 1,000+ dollar custom glock 21, with 230gr federal HST. Thats better than whatever piece of crap they had. Open carry is pointless, you need the element of surprise. The bad guy cant know your armed. $1000 glock 
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WI dosent allow concealed carry which pisses me off. If criminals walk into a store planning on robbing the place. Im OPEN carrying, they can walk up behind me, pull a gun and take mine. Now they will have a 1,000+ dollar custom glock 21, with 230gr federal HST. Thats better than whatever piece of crap they had. Open carry is pointless, you need the element of surprise. The bad guy cant know your armed. That must happen to cops all the time with all of the open carrying they do. 
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Quoted: Quoted: WI dosent allow concealed carry which pisses me off. If criminals walk into a store planning on robbing the place. Im OPEN carrying, they can walk up behind me, pull a gun and take mine. Now they will have a 1,000+ dollar custom glock 21, with 230gr federal HST. Thats better than whatever piece of crap they had. Open carry is pointless, you need the element of surprise. The bad guy cant know your armed. $1000 glock Yeah, he got robbed loooong before anyone pulled a gun on him. |
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Quoted: WI dosent allow concealed carry which pisses me off. If criminals walk into a store planning on robbing the place. Im OPEN carrying, they can walk up behind me, pull a gun and take mine. Now they will have a 1,000+ dollar custom glock 21, with 230gr federal HST. Thats better than whatever piece of crap they had. Open carry is pointless, you need the element of surprise. The bad guy cant know your armed. How many bad guys rob places where they know people will shoot back? The whole "OC loses the element of surprise" is one of the most overstated arguments against open carry. It is something to consider, but it is far less important than many people make it out to be. I OC often, and most people don't even notice. I doubt that a bad guy, who is mostly worried about getting away quickly, is going to rob me, and then rob their target. Chances are they wont even notice me. If I am there target, they will find easier prey. |
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WI dosent allow concealed carry which pisses me off. If criminals walk into a store planning on robbing the place. Im OPEN carrying, they can walk up behind me, pull a gun and take mine. Now they will have a 1,000+ dollar custom glock 21, with 230gr federal HST. Thats better than whatever piece of crap they had. Open carry is pointless, you need the element of surprise. The bad guy cant know your armed. The lesson learned here is to spend $450 on a stock glock and spend $550 on weapon retention lessons and a decent holster. And to misparaphrase master card, situational awareness = priceless. your premis is that a crook who generally wants nothing more than to make fast money with a minimum of fuss will instantly escalate to a lethal encounter rather than walk away and hit the place next door where no one is strapped. logic fail. oh ya, because if someone behind you pulls a gun on you, your going to be able to do anything... 
You cant tell me you havent been standing in line with people behind you, and that your always alert and ready. |
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WI dosent allow concealed carry which pisses me off. If criminals walk into a store planning on robbing the place. Im OPEN carrying, they can walk up behind me, pull a gun and take mine. Now they will have a 1,000+ dollar custom glock 21, with 230gr federal HST. Thats better than whatever piece of crap they had. Open carry is pointless, you need the element of surprise. The bad guy cant know your armed. The lesson learned here is to spend $450 on a stock glock and spend $550 on weapon retention lessons and a decent holster. And to misparaphrase master card, situational awareness = priceless. ...and even on a good shoot...investigating department will have your heater until the case in closed and you get, or don't get, the bang stick back. Race guns need not apply for carry |
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Quoted: Pay attention... Quoted: Quoted: WI dosent allow concealed carry which pisses me off. If criminals walk into a store planning on robbing the place. Im OPEN carrying, they can walk up behind me, pull a gun and take mine. Now they will have a 1,000+ dollar custom glock 21, with 230gr federal HST. Thats better than whatever piece of crap they had. Open carry is pointless, you need the element of surprise. The bad guy cant know your armed. The lesson learned here is to spend $450 on a stock glock and spend $550 on weapon retention lessons and a decent holster. And to misparaphrase master card, situational awareness = priceless. your premis is that a crook who generally wants nothing more than to make fast money with a minimum of fuss will instantly escalate to a lethal encounter rather than walk away and hit the place next door where no one is strapped. logic fail. oh ya, because if someone behind you pulls a gun on you, your going to be able to do anything... Plus the retards that are dumb enough to rob a store are too scared to pull a gun on people who will shoot back.. Do they rob stores when there is a cop car out front? |
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WI dosent allow concealed carry which pisses me off. If criminals walk into a store planning on robbing the place. Im OPEN carrying, they can walk up behind me, pull a gun and take mine. Now they will have a 1,000+ dollar custom glock 21, with 230gr federal HST. Thats better than whatever piece of crap they had. Open carry is pointless, you need the element of surprise. The bad guy cant know your armed. The lesson learned here is to spend $450 on a stock glock and spend $550 on weapon retention lessons and a decent holster. And to misparaphrase master card, situational awareness = priceless. your premis is that a crook who generally wants nothing more than to make fast money with a minimum of fuss will instantly escalate to a lethal encounter rather than walk away and hit the place next door where no one is strapped. logic fail. oh ya, because if someone behind you pulls a gun on you, your going to be able to do anything... Plus the retards that are dumb enough to rob a store are too scared to pull a gun on people who will shoot back.. Do they rob stores when there is a cop car out front? Yes, a bad guy walked right past a cop car and into a gunshop to rob the place, he ended upp getting shot by the cop inside but point proven. I would walk in CC and scope the place out not just barge in guns drawn, if you were OCing I'd take your gun. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pay attention... Quoted: Plus the retards that are dumb enough to rob a store are too scared to pull a gun on people who will shoot back.. Do they rob stores when there is a cop car out front? Yes, a bad guy walked right past a cop car and into a gunshop to rob the place, he ended upp getting shot but point proven. Thats suicide... not robbery...  |
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Quoted: WI dosent allow concealed carry which pisses me off. Open carry is pointless, you need the element of surprise. The bad guy cant know your armed. What if I want to open-carry a large-frame autoloader in a state park while hiking? Since we're a free society...should I be allowed the option for comfort (or any other reason)? |
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WI dosent allow concealed carry which pisses me off. If criminals walk into a store planning on robbing the place. Im OPEN carrying, they can walk up behind me, pull a gun and take mine. Now they will have a 1,000+ dollar custom glock 21, with 230gr federal HST. Thats better than whatever piece of crap they had. Open carry is pointless, you need the element of surprise. The bad guy cant know your armed. $1000 glock
Yeah, he got robbed loooong before anyone pulled a gun on him. 1000? what is it gold plated? do you have a lollipop shirt on? I think your a sucker. 
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Quoted: And if you are carrying concealed, you're going to be able to do anything? You need situational awareness regardless of how you're carrying.Quoted: Quoted: WI dosent allow concealed carry which pisses me off. If criminals walk into a store planning on robbing the place. Im OPEN carrying, they can walk up behind me, pull a gun and take mine. Now they will have a 1,000+ dollar custom glock 21, with 230gr federal HST. Thats better than whatever piece of crap they had. Open carry is pointless, you need the element of surprise. The bad guy cant know your armed. The lesson learned here is to spend $450 on a stock glock and spend $550 on weapon retention lessons and a decent holster. And to misparaphrase master card, situational awareness = priceless. your premis is that a crook who generally wants nothing more than to make fast money with a minimum of fuss will instantly escalate to a lethal encounter rather than walk away and hit the place next door where no one is strapped. logic fail. oh ya, because if someone behind you pulls a gun on you, your going to be able to do anything... |
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Quoted: And if you are carrying concealed, you're going to be able to do anything? You need situational awareness regardless of how you're carrying. The point is they wont know you have the gun if your CCing and wont take your gun. Your just another customer. The point is: Criminals go after easy pray. They do not look for a challenge. I don't know about you, but I carry to protect myself and mine. I don't carry to save all the people in a supermarket. If OC or CC prevents me or mine from becoming a victim, than mission accomplished. I am happy being just another customer either way. |
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WI dosent allow concealed carry which pisses me off. If criminals walk into a store planning on robbing the place. Im OPEN carrying, they can walk up behind me, pull a gun and take mine. Now they will have a 1,000+ dollar custom glock 21, with 230gr federal HST. Thats better than whatever piece of crap they had. Open carry is pointless, you need the element of surprise. The bad guy cant know your armed. Or they will (more than likely) wait for you to leave, or move onto a softer target. |
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Quoted: that would be the point if your CCing you can chose to do nothing, if your OCing you just gave them your gun or you have to make a move. I am glad you are confident in your logic of tactics. However, your logic should not prevent (by law) other people from choosing to use tactics that you do not agree with. That is what this thread is about: the reasons behind the illegality of OC. Just because you choose not to do it is not a valid reason to make it illegal. |
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Quoted: ya its gold plated http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z210/macabre1_2007/glock21SF2.jpg Glock 21SF Robar Grip reduction, frontstrap, backstrap, & high grip mod+ retexturing, 3.5lb connector stainless guide rod 17LB ISMI spring Extended slide release Ameri-glo operator pro series nite sights. Thats over 1K stock glock compair. http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0PDoYABEZBNpUoARjSjzbkF/SIG=12959hrbr/EXP=1301315969/**http%3a//www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/50007.jpg To each his own I guess. |