Posted: 3/12/2011 3:57:24 PM EDT
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From what I understand most ranges are cold and you must arrive with your weapon cold. How are you supposed to arrive at the range with a cold gun if you ccw to and from the range? Is it an unspoken rule that you unload your handgun while in your car? I was taught that during loading and unloading process most NDs happen. Wouldn't that force an unsafe condition in the parking lot? |
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Quoted: What if you want to shoot your carry gun? Concealed means concealed. Quoted: I've been to a couple of ranges and matches where if you show up with a loaded gun even if it is holstered you are automatically disqualified or thrown out of the range. Unload and make/show clear when at the shooting line or at the "safe" area if they have one.  ETA: I thought it was almost comical because one match was geared towards self defense (can't remember if IDPA or IPSC). I found it odd they didn't trust people with loaded guns but the aim of the match was to make us better shooters/CCWers. Wouldn't they want to teach us how to live with and handle loaded firearms as if we CCW we do so every day? |
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I just sat through quite a 'discussion' about this at my private gun club. We eventually settled on 'concealed means concealed' and it's a grey area of the rules if you plan on shooting your CCW. You should probably either bring it in your range bag (you do have a secondary carry gun, right?) or let other shooters know that you're about to 'break the rules' and draw your CCW on the firing line.
At least, that's how my club appears to handle it. YMMV, of course. Me? Concealed means concealed. |
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What if you want to shoot your carry gun?
Concealed means concealed. Quoted:
I've been to a couple of ranges and matches where if you show up with a loaded gun even if it is holstered you are automatically disqualified or thrown out of the range.
Unload and make/show clear when at the shooting line or at the "safe" area if they have one. ETA: I thought it was almost comical because one match was geared towards self defense (can't remember if IDPA or IPSC). I found it odd they didn't trust people with loaded guns but the aim of the match was to make us better shooters/CCWers. Wouldn't they want to teach us how to live with and handle loaded firearms as if we CCW we do so every day? You haven't been to a lot of IDPA, IPSC, USPSA type matches have you??? I understand and know how you feel but when you keep getting muzzle swept by n00bs with loaded firearms it gets old real fast. If you are not shooting your CCW then keep it concealed. If you are shooting your CCW then wait till you get to the shooting line and clear it there when the range is hot or if you are at a shooting competition get an RO/SO to help you clear your weapon(s). |
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Quoted: I do but they don't have the same sights. Your failing ARFCOM 101, if you only have one carry piece!!!!  Quoted: What's so difficult about telling the participants they can have hot guns but they can never leave the holster until it's their turn to shoot and strictly adhering to the four rules of gun safety?You haven't been to a lot of IDPA, IPSC, USPSA type matches have you??? I understand and know how you feel but when you keep getting muzzle swept by n00bs with loaded firearms it gets old real fast. I am stating to doubt that cold ranges are safer than hot ones. I've been muzzle swept more times at my local cold square range in the last two months than I have ever been at all the training classes I have taken the past five years combined (never). At these classes there were people of all different skill levels from novice to advanced and every one of these classes ran a hot range with no issue. My theory is that cold ranges foster bad safety habits. Why can't the gun world embrace the idea that people handle loaded guns all day long and simply stress strict adherence to the four rules of gun safety? They are relevant to every shooting discipline. |
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I was taught that during loading and unloading process most NDs happen. Wouldn't that force an unsafe condition in the parking lot? It's only unsafe if you're being unsafe. Obviously you can't keep from sweeping your car while inside it so just don't break the other three rules and you'll be fine. Statistics don't have anything to do with it. At my CCW class the instructor actually said that they would citizens arrest you if they found out you were carrying in the store. 
I just follow the rules and case it up before going in since I don't need no drama when I'm trying to have fun. No big deal. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I was taught that during loading and unloading process most NDs happen. Wouldn't that force an unsafe condition in the parking lot? It's only unsafe if you're being unsafe. Obviously you can't keep from sweeping your car while inside it so just don't break the other three rules and you'll be fine. Statistics don't have anything to do with it. At my CCW class the instructor actually said that they would citizens arrest you if they found out you were carrying in the store. I just follow the rules and case it up before going in since I don't need no drama when I'm trying to have fun. No big deal. I would hate to get citizens arrested in a gun store.  |
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Quoted: But compared to simply walking up to a firing line with holstered hot gun, drawing, and then shooting isn't it much less safe? Your gun leaves the holster fewer times by allowing hot CCW guns onto the range.Quoted: I was taught that during loading and unloading process most NDs happen. Wouldn't that force an unsafe condition in the parking lot? It's only unsafe if you're being unsafe. Obviously you can't keep from sweeping your car while inside it so just don't break the other three rules and you'll be fine. Statistics don't have anything to do with it. Quoted: Maybe they should have taught their students how to safely deal with a loaded gun at the class. If you don't trust your students to carry a loaded firearm in your store why should they be trusted to carry a loaded gun in public. No driving instructor would ever say to their student that completed their class and got their full license "don't come within a mile of me if you and I are driving." Same goes for a flight instructor telling their students after they completed instruction and received their license not to fly in the same airspace as them.At my CCW class the instructor actually said that they would citizens arrest you if they found out you were carrying in the store. Am I wrong with my line of thinking? Am I taking crazy pills? |
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There is always a loaded pistol with me, when I'm on the range. If I'm working from a holster with one of my carry guns, then I always keep an extra mag loaded for when I finish. I was alone (so I thought) at a public range. I left the bench to check my target at 100 yds. when I turned to return to the bench, there were two guys standing at my bench looking at my rifle, loaded mag on the bench. By the "aroma" surrounding their presence, I deduced that they were hanging out smoking a little weed, heard me shooting and got curious. Just a couple of high school boys not interested in any trouble and everything was cool. Since then I carry a loaded side arm anytime I'm at the range unless I'm there with a group. I don't shoot matches and the ranges I shoot at are public. |
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These are the rules copied directly from the 'rules and regs' pdf from the private rage I'm a member of.
Personal defense open carry or conceal carry holstered/pocketed guns are considered an extension of the body. A person may enter the dry fire area with a loaded personal defense weapon provided that the gun remains holstered/pocketed. Absolutely no handling of personal defense weapons in the dry fire area (or anywhere in the club house). During IDPA events held at this club, no loaded weapons may be brought into the club house or dry fire area. There are no exceptions. Loaded weapons must therefore be unloaded using the clearing barrel by the front door of the club house before entering the club house. |
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From what I understand most ranges are cold and you must arrive with your weapon cold. How are you supposed to arrive at the range with a cold gun if you ccw to and from the range? Is it an unspoken rule that you unload your handgun while in your car? I was taught that during loading and unloading process most NDs happen. Wouldn't that force an unsafe condition in the parking lot? You were that guy that always fuck up stuff for everyone is basic training weren't you? |
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Quoted: I never served and why would you ask that?Quoted: You were that guy that always fuck up stuff for everyone is basic training weren't you?From what I understand most ranges are cold and you must arrive with your weapon cold. How are you supposed to arrive at the range with a cold gun if you ccw to and from the range? Is it an unspoken rule that you unload your handgun while in your car? I was taught that during loading and unloading process most NDs happen. Wouldn't that force an unsafe condition in the parking lot? ETA: Now that I think about it, have you noticed that phoenix int. no longer sells spike strips to anyone other than LE or Mil. (ie civilians) and wonder why? Guilty |
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I would walk up to the SO and explain that I was CCW. Surely they would walk you to the backstop to unload. They're obviously concerned about an accidental discharge. Seems to me the backstop would be preferable to the parking lot.
At my local match I keep my carry mag in my pocket. It just takes a few seconds to load and make ready. |
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my club has a rule that you cant quick draw and fire your weapon. you can bring a loaded ccw to the range and fire it though.
you must unholster the weapon in slow manner and fire the weapon and put it on the table. you cannot re holster the weapon until you are done shooting. if they see you redrawing over and over, you will get a notice or talk from the range officer. possible suspension. |
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I always bring a concealed sidearm that I do not intend to shoot to the range. This. There have been a couple of instances of shooters being murdered while shooting around here, mostly shot while down range. I never go down range without unloading and securing my ammo and I'm always armed. |
