[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Up on Ruby Ridge (Page 1 of 11)
Posted: 2/26/2011 12:58:16 PM EDT
What a powerful song by Frank Delaney Live Free! |
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Let's celebrate a criminal & his family fighting the legitimate enforcement of the law.... The killing of LEOs... All because someone couldn't be bothered to show for court.... The killing of LEOs on Ruby Ridge was ruled justifiable homicide, IIRC, i.e., legitimate self-defense against unjust aggressors. |
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Let's celebrate a criminal & his family fighting the legitimate enforcement of the law.... The killing of LEOs... All because someone couldn't be bothered to show for court.... On February 5, the trial date was changed from February 19 to February 20 to give participants more travel time following a federal holiday. The court clerk sent a letter to the parties informing them of the date change; however, the notice was not sent directly to Weaver, only to his attorney. On February 7, U.S. Probation Officer Richins sent Weaver a letter indicating that he now had the case file and needed to talk with Weaver. This letter erroneously indicated that Weaver's trial date was set for March 20. |
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Quoted: Aryan Nation nut job and his family. Yawn. I've met him at a gun show. Didn't like him. From what I understand he wasn't a white supremacist, just a separatist. I can't fault a man who wants to go live on his mountain and not be bothered. I think he got the shaft big time, and from what I understand he was framed then way too much force was used to bring him in.  |
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I watched US senators admit that his crime was not "the crime of the century."
Yet he was agressively targeted by multiple fed agencies. All because he wanted to be left alone and would not become an informant. They could not let that happen. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Let's celebrate a criminal & his family fighting the legitimate enforcement of the law.... The killing of LEOs... All because someone couldn't be bothered to show for court.... Huh, he was found NOT guilty in a court of law. Wonder why that happened? Couldn't be due to "shenanigans" by the govt, right? Seems like saner heads prevailed in the court of LAW. Didn't he also win a civil suit for a million or so also? "Legit" my ass, it was a clusterfluck from day one at the federal level. |
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Quoted: I watched US senators admit that his crime was not "the crime of the century." Yet he was agressively targeted by multiple fed agencies. All because he wanted to be left alone and would not become an informant. They could not let that happen. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeap like the man or not but what the .Govt did should have gotten those involved life in prison. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Let's celebrate a criminal & his family fighting the legitimate enforcement of the law.... The killing of LEOs... All because someone couldn't be bothered to show for court.... The killing of LEOs on Ruby Ridge was ruled justifiable homicide, IIRC, i.e., legitimate self-defense against unjust aggressors. It wasn't 'ruled' anything. Due to the death of Mrs Weaver, the two men were able to get 'sympathy' from the jury, and thus jury nullification.... If LH hadn't missed that shot (the one that struck Mrs Weaver), Mrs Weaver would not have died, there would have been 1 less defendant standing for a GUILTY verdict, |
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Quoted: Quoted: I watched US senators admit that his crime was not "the crime of the century." Yet he was agressively targeted by multiple fed agencies. All because he wanted to be left alone and would not become an informant. They could not let that happen. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeap like the man or not but what the .Govt did should have gotten those involved life in prison. A missed sniper shot does not justify life in prison for the shooter, much less anyone else. |
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Quoted: Let's celebrate a criminal & his family fighting the legitimate enforcement of the law.... The killing of LEOs... All because someone couldn't be bothered to show for court.... When I read threads like these I cant help but wonder how many 911 truther goobers we really have on this site. |
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Let's celebrate a criminal & his family fighting the legitimate enforcement of the law.... The killing of LEOs... All because someone couldn't be bothered to show for court.... When I read threads like these I cant help but wonder how many 911 truther goobers we really have on this site. What the hell does one subject have to do with the other??? 
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Quoted: NevermindQuoted: Quoted: I watched US senators admit that his crime was not "the crime of the century." Yet he was agressively targeted by multiple fed agencies. All because he wanted to be left alone and would not become an informant. They could not let that happen. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeap like the man or not but what the .Govt did should have gotten those involved life in prison. A missed sniper shot does not justify life in prison for the shooter, much less anyone else. |
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Aryan Nation nut job and his family. Yawn. Not really. Maybe talked to some, but just wanted to be left alone just like the rest of us. If you didn't watch this transpire on the evening new and watch the hearings at the time it will have a different impact on you. What happened to him could happen to any person that frequents this board. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I watched US senators admit that his crime was not "the crime of the century." Yet he was agressively targeted by multiple fed agencies. All because he wanted to be left alone and would not become an informant. They could not let that happen. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeap like the man or not but what the .Govt did should have gotten those involved life in prison. A missed sniper shot does not justify life in prison for the shooter, much less anyone else. What if the sniper was on a treadmill? |
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Quoted: Wasnt the entire thing over a 1/4 inch of wood from a shotgun stock? It was over a missed court appearance, which Weaver blamed on a typo in a letter. There was a large amount of communication to the local police/local news, IIRC, that made an intent to skip court and have a 'last stand' very clear. As far as the Feds saw it, they were going up there to retrieve a hostile and defiant felony suspect who was refusing to show for court. It wasn't a 'conspiracy' or an 'attack on his rights'... It was a valid warrant for his arrest. And he gave them exactly what they were expecting. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let's celebrate a criminal & his family fighting the legitimate enforcement of the law.... The killing of LEOs... All because someone couldn't be bothered to show for court.... The killing of LEOs on Ruby Ridge was ruled justifiable homicide, IIRC, i.e., legitimate self-defense against unjust aggressors. It wasn't 'ruled' anything. Due to the death of Mrs Weaver, the two men were able to get 'sympathy' from the jury, and thus jury nullification.... If LH hadn't missed that shot (the one that struck Mrs Weaver), Mrs Weaver would not have died, there would have been 1 less defendant standing for a GUILTY verdict, Ahhh... old "Teflon Lon." As far as I'm concerned, he was the dirtiest person there that day. And why wasn't he found guilty of anything? Just wondering... 
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Let's celebrate a criminal & his family fighting the legitimate enforcement of the law.... The killing of LEOs... All because someone couldn't be bothered to show for court.... When I read threads like these I cant help but wonder how many 911 truther goobers we really have on this site. What the fuck does that have to do with this? Poopypants LIVES!!!!!!! |
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Wasnt the entire thing over a 1/4 inch of wood from a shotgun stock? It was over a missed court appearance, which Weaver blamed on a typo in a letter. There was a large amount of communication to the local police/local news, IIRC, that made an intent to skip court and have a 'last stand' very clear. As far as the Feds saw it, they were going up there to retrieve a hostile and defiant felony suspect who was refusing to show for court. It wasn't a 'conspiracy' or an 'attack on his rights'... It was a valid warrant for his arrest. And he gave them exactly what they were expecting. You forgot the fact that they basically entrapped him over the shortened shotgun barrel because they wanted him to infiltrate the white movement and snitch for them. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Aryan Nation nut job and his family. Yawn. Not really. Maybe talked to some, but just wanted to be left alone just like the rest of us. If you didn't watch this transpire on the evening new and watch the hearings at the time it will have a different impact on you. What happened to him could happen to any person that frequents this board. The correspondence that he and his wife had with the town news and local authorities indicates this to be a huge pile of shit. What happened to him can only happen to someone who is involved with the sort of people he was, and who agrees to commit a crime in front of undercover feds, agrees to show for court if released, has his wife write letters about how he's going to make a 'last stand' when the feds come, and skips court, then lets his friend and son get into a gunfight with the Feds over a shot dog... A law-abiding member of this board is in NO danger of any of this happening to them... Quit trying to stir up sympathy for rubbish by dragging the rest of us down to that level.... Your argument is akin to 'If you live in a big city, you too are at risk for being raided for crack cocaine'... Ignoring that if you don't well, uh, sell crack or hang out with crack-dealers, that is absurdly unlikely.... |
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I watched US senators admit that his crime was not "the crime of the century." Yet he was agressively targeted by multiple fed agencies. All because he wanted to be left alone and would not become an informant. They could not let that happen. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeap like the man or not but what the .Govt did should have gotten those involved life in prison. A missed sniper shot does not justify life in prison for the shooter, much less anyone else. What if the sniper was on a treadmill? Can't happen. That would negate the correct function of the magnets. For the love of all that is holy, let's hope that never happens. |
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The correspondence that he and his wife had with the town news and local authorities indicates this to be a huge pile of shit. What happened to him can only happen to someone who is involved with the sort of people he was, and who agrees to commit a crime in front of undercover feds, agrees to show for court if released, has his wife write letters about how he's going to make a 'last stand' when the feds come, and skips court, then lets his friend and son get into a gunfight with the Feds over a shot dog... A law-abiding member of this board is in NO danger of any of this happening to them... Quit trying to stir up sympathy for rubbish by dragging the rest of us down to that level.... This. |
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Wasnt the entire thing over a 1/4 inch of wood from a shotgun stock? It was over a missed court appearance, which Weaver blamed on a typo in a letter. There was a large amount of communication to the local police/local news, IIRC, that made an intent to skip court and have a 'last stand' very clear. As far as the Feds saw it, they were going up there to retrieve a hostile and defiant felony suspect who was refusing to show for court. It wasn't a 'conspiracy' or an 'attack on his rights'... It was a valid warrant for his arrest. And he gave them exactly what they were expecting. You forgot the fact that they basically entrapped him over the shortened shotgun barrel because they wanted him to infiltrate the white movement and snitch for them. He didn't forget.... I'm sure he supports entrapment. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Aryan Nation nut job and his family. Yawn. Not really. Maybe talked to some, but just wanted to be left alone just like the rest of us. If you didn't watch this transpire on the evening new and watch the hearings at the time it will have a different impact on you. What happened to him could happen to any person that frequents this board. The correspondence that he and his wife had with the town news and local authorities indicates this to be a huge pile of shit. What happened to him can only happen to someone who is involved with the sort of people he was, and who agrees to commit a crime in front of undercover feds, agrees to show for court if released, has his wife write letters about how he's going to make a 'last stand' when the feds come, and skips court, then lets his friend and son get into a gunfight with the Feds over a shot dog... A law-abiding member of this board is in NO danger of any of this happening to them... Quit trying to stir up sympathy for rubbish by dragging the rest of us down to that level.... Your argument is akin to 'If you live in a big city, you too are at risk for being raided for crack cocaine'... Ignoring that if you don't well, uh, sell crack or hang out with crack-dealers, that is absurdly unlikely.... I expected better from you.  |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wasnt the entire thing over a 1/4 inch of wood from a shotgun stock? It was over a missed court appearance, which Weaver blamed on a typo in a letter. There was a large amount of communication to the local police/local news, IIRC, that made an intent to skip court and have a 'last stand' very clear. As far as the Feds saw it, they were going up there to retrieve a hostile and defiant felony suspect who was refusing to show for court. It wasn't a 'conspiracy' or an 'attack on his rights'... It was a valid warrant for his arrest. And he gave them exactly what they were expecting. You forgot the fact that they basically entrapped him over the shortened shotgun barrel because they wanted him to infiltrate the white movement and snitch for them. He didn't forget.... I'm sure he supports entrapment. If it can be demonstrated in court, that an individual had a predisposition to commit the crime in question, it is NOT entrapment. This of course, requires the individual to SHOW UP FOR COURT. Not to go hide in the hills and write letters saying 'Nah-nah, you can't make me come to court'.... Then act surprised and 'victimized' when men with guns come to do just that.... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let's celebrate a criminal & his family fighting the legitimate enforcement of the law.... The killing of LEOs... All because someone couldn't be bothered to show for court.... The killing of LEOs on Ruby Ridge was ruled justifiable homicide, IIRC, i.e., legitimate self-defense against unjust aggressors. It wasn't 'ruled' anything. Due to the death of Mrs Weaver, the two men were able to get 'sympathy' from the jury, and thus jury nullification.... If LH hadn't missed that shot (the one that struck Mrs Weaver), Mrs Weaver would not have died, there would have been 1 less defendant standing for a GUILTY verdict, I have severe doubts about LH missing that shot. If he missed it, he's incompetent. If he didn't miss it, he's a murderer. Choose. |
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Wasnt the entire thing over a 1/4 inch of wood from a shotgun stock? It was over a missed court appearance, which Weaver blamed on a typo in a letter. There was a large amount of communication to the local police/local news, IIRC, that made an intent to skip court and have a 'last stand' very clear. As far as the Feds saw it, they were going up there to retrieve a hostile and defiant felony suspect who was refusing to show for court. It wasn't a 'conspiracy' or an 'attack on his rights'... It was a valid warrant for his arrest. And he gave them exactly what they were expecting. You forgot the fact that they basically entrapped him over the shortened shotgun barrel because they wanted him to infiltrate the white movement and snitch for them. He didn't forget.... I'm sure he supports entrapment. If it can be demonstrated in court, that an individual had a predisposition to commit the crime in question, it is NOT entrapment. This of course, requires the individual to SHOW UP FOR COURT. Assuming, of course, that they know when they're supposed to go. |
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Regardless of what he did, supposed to have done, the action does not fit the crime. The sheriff would have taken care of the arrest.
The feds spent 3 million dollars on trying to capture him for a non-issue. And again, when supporting ones loved ones, you would be surprised at what you would do. Everybody. |
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Let's celebrate a criminal & his family fighting the legitimate enforcement of the law.... The killing of LEOs... All because someone couldn't be bothered to show for court.... The killing of LEOs on Ruby Ridge was ruled justifiable homicide, IIRC, i.e., legitimate self-defense against unjust aggressors. It wasn't 'ruled' anything. Due to the death of Mrs Weaver, the two men were able to get 'sympathy' from the jury, and thus jury nullification.... If LH hadn't missed that shot (the one that struck Mrs Weaver), Mrs Weaver would not have died, there would have been 1 less defendant standing for a GUILTY verdict, I have severe doubts about LH missing that shot. If he missed it, he's incompetent. If he didn't miss it, he's a murderer. Choose.
Wasnt he acting under illegal rules of engagement anyway when he took the shot. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let's celebrate a criminal & his family fighting the legitimate enforcement of the law.... The killing of LEOs... All because someone couldn't be bothered to show for court.... The killing of LEOs on Ruby Ridge was ruled justifiable homicide, IIRC, i.e., legitimate self-defense against unjust aggressors. It wasn't 'ruled' anything. Due to the death of Mrs Weaver, the two men were able to get 'sympathy' from the jury, and thus jury nullification.... If LH hadn't missed that shot (the one that struck Mrs Weaver), Mrs Weaver would not have died, there would have been 1 less defendant standing for a GUILTY verdict, I have severe doubts about LH missing that shot. If he missed it, he's incompetent. If he didn't miss it, he's a murderer. Choose. Fairly obvious that he missed it. If she had been shot COM, I'd be open to her being the target. However an armed male, running... He had no reason to shoot Mrs Weaver. He had every reason to shoot the runner. |