Posted: 2/23/2011 5:19:44 PM EDT
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What does it mean when a guy posts on Facebook that he got a 43 with a M-16 A2? Is that good? What distance do they shoot? |
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43 out of a possible 50 at 25 meters six different targets on a sheet, representing "head and shoulder" profiles scaled from 50 meters to (If I remember right) 300 meters for what it's worth my best ever score on that course of fire was 67 10 different targets on the qual target. 6 on the practice target. A score of 67 makes no sense.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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43 out of a possible 50 at 25 meters six different targets on a sheet, representing "head and shoulder" profiles scaled from 50 meters to (If I remember right) 300 meters for what it's worth my best ever score on that course of fire was 67 10 different targets on the qual target. 6 on the practice target. A score of 67 makes no sense.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Guys on both sides of me were shooting at my target |
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43 out of a possible 50 at 25 meters six different targets on a sheet, representing "head and shoulder" profiles scaled from 50 meters to (If I remember right) 300 meters for what it's worth my best ever score on that course of fire was 67 10 different targets on the qual target. 6 on the practice target. A score of 67 makes no sense.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Guys on both sides of me were shooting at my target So you shot a 50. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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43 out of a possible 50 at 25 meters six different targets on a sheet, representing "head and shoulder" profiles scaled from 50 meters to (If I remember right) 300 meters for what it's worth my best ever score on that course of fire was 67 10 different targets on the qual target. 6 on the practice target. A score of 67 makes no sense.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Guys on both sides of me were shooting at my target So you shot a 50. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile nope, they scored me at a 67, back then the AFR said every bullet hole in the black counted. I'm pretty sure they've tightened up that loophole when they came out with AFIs |
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43 out of a possible 50 at 25 meters six different targets on a sheet, representing "head and shoulder" profiles scaled from 50 meters to (If I remember right) 300 meters for what it's worth my best ever score on that course of fire was 67 10 different targets on the qual target. 6 on the practice target. A score of 67 makes no sense.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Guys on both sides of me were shooting at my target So you shot a 50. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile He could have shot less. |
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Thanks guys. Is this off-hand, prone, or what? He seems proud of it. I what to set up some targets at my place and see what he can do when he gets here this weekend. They shoot prone supported, prone supported with gas mask, standing over barricade (like your rifle is on a fence) and sitting |
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Thanks guys. Is this off-hand, prone, or what? He seems proud of it. I what to set up some targets at my place and see what he can do when he gets here this weekend. Its a 3-stage qualification. Standing supported, prone unsupported, prone supported (or bipod) Edit: Beat by 13 seconds. I last qualified 13 years ago. |
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43 out of a possible 50 at 25 meters six different targets on a sheet, representing "head and shoulder" profiles scaled from 50 meters to (If I remember right) 300 meters for what it's worth my best ever score on that course of fire was 67 10 different targets on the qual target. 6 on the practice target. A score of 67 makes no sense.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Guys on both sides of me were shooting at my target So you shot a 50. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile nope, they scored me at a 67, back then the AFR said every bullet hole in the black counted. I'm pretty sure they've tightened up that loophole when they came out with AFIs I had this long drawn out reply typed and realized it is pointless. Have a good night. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Thanks guys. Is this off-hand, prone, or what? He seems proud of it. I what to set up some targets at my place and see what he can do when he gets here this weekend. Its a 3-stage qualification. Standing supported, prone unsupported, prone supported (or bipod) Don't forget the gas mask!  
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You will shoot prone supported, prone unsupported, kneeling unsupported, kneeling barricade and standing barricade. At least I think that is all the positions. We shoot a different course of fire in Security Forces and it has been a couple years since I taught as CATM. Considering the very small amount of small arms training most will get in the Air Force it isn't a bad score at all. It is much better than most will do. |
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Thanks guys. Is this off-hand, prone, or what? He seems proud of it. I what to set up some targets at my place and see what he can do when he gets here this weekend. Make sure the weapon jams every 3rd round, and randomly bounce a spent casing off his head while he's shooting for the authentic experience. You could also have a freshly ejected case magically go down the back of his shirt. The frantic scramble to dig it out and stop the burning remains a classic. |
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Thanks guys. Is this off-hand, prone, or what? He seems proud of it. I what to set up some targets at my place and see what he can do when he gets here this weekend. If you don't shoot a lot, then it is something to be proud of. By no stretch of the imagination does the AFQC alone make anyone a combat rifleman. The qualification phase consists of shooting prone supported, prone unsupported, kneeling barricade, standing barricade and chemical warfare (gasmask and gloves). Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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You will shoot prone supported, prone unsupported, kneeling unsupported, kneeling barricade and standing barricade. At least I think that is all the positions. We shoot a different course of fire in Security Forces and it has been a couple years since I taught as CATM. Considering the very small amount of small arms training most will get in the Air Force it isn't a bad score at all. It is much better than most will do. This is correct also add the gas mask shooting. It is not hard to shoot 43 but as with all things in life some people struggle. |
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Thanks guys. Is this off-hand, prone, or what? He seems proud of it. I what to set up some targets at my place and see what he can do when he gets here this weekend. It would be 10 rds prone supported 10 rds prone supported with a gas mask 10 rds unsupported 10 rds kneeling barricade 10 rds over barricade |
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43 out of a possible 50 at 25 meters six different targets on a sheet, representing "head and shoulder" profiles scaled from 50 meters to (If I remember right) 300 meters for what it's worth my best ever score on that course of fire was 67 10 different targets on the qual target. 6 on the practice target. A score of 67 makes no sense.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Somebody shot his target. 
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Thanks guys. Is this off-hand, prone, or what? He seems proud of it. I what to set up some targets at my place and see what he can do when he gets here this weekend. They shoot prone supported, prone supported with gas mask, standing over barricade (like your rifle is on a fence) and sitting Kneeling Sitting is significantly more stable than kneeling and I think they try to take away as many advantages as possible. Whether this is to ensure poor scores from the non shooters or what is open to debate. I'm regularly unhappy they don't let me use a sling. I had one instructor (E-3) tell me that if I used a sling like you're supposed to I was going to bend the barrel. I gave him a  and pretty much dismissed everything else he had to say from that point on. He also told me that my cheekweld was wrong because I put the tip of my nose on the charging handle, ensuring that I do everything the same way every time. He insisted that I'd shoot better if I backed my face up and that it didn't matter. After the second sight in part, he said that I must be doing everything wrong enough to have gotten it right. I looked at my target, which had a single crowded hole in the body, and told the Airman to kindly fuck off until he somehow gets a clue.
The Gas Mask portion is particularly interesting, and pretty much guarantees you're going to miss at least one. On the CATM machine you can pretty much rule out hitting anything during the mask portion. It's also a great way to get a nice scratch on your cover lens. |
Well, the Airman was technically correct about bending the barrel. Pressure from the sling will slightly bend it until the pressure is released, but this really only matters to match shooters. It is why they made the free float handguard that still looks like an A2 for CMP matches. It sounds like someone with a little bit of information told him something and he ran with it. A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.  I don't get his comment on the nose to charging handle. Consistency is important and that is one way to ensure you get as close to the same position for every shot as possible. Sounds like he young lad needrf a bit more training and mentoring. |
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Well, the Airman was technically correct about bending the barrel. Pressure from the sling will slightly bend it until the pressure is released, but this really only matters to match shooters. It is why they made the free float handguard that still looks like an A2 for CMP matches. It sounds like someone with a little bit of information told him something and he ran with it. A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
I don't get his comment on the nose to charging handle. Consistency is important and that is one way to ensure you get as close to the same position for every shot as possible. Sounds like he young lad needrf a bit more training and mentoring. Oh, don't get me wrong, I've shot with one of the Air Force Shooting Team guys before and he showed me that it really can affect impact point, but only noticeably at about 250 meters or so with a very accurate rifle. We weren't exactly shooting CMP level accurate rifles. I think the Airman was alluding that I would damage the M16 by using a hastysling (I think that's what it's called when you wrap your arm in the sling, right) method. At 25 yards we're talking about a difference right around a fraction of a millimeter. Well within my tolerance. The consistency comment I was at a loss about as well. About the only good advice he gave out to the group was, "Don't point the gun at anyone else." |
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got a 46
the first time i shot with the AF it was with these plastic bullets- has a special bolt tried to sight it in but the pos was WAY off every shot- i was like WTF?!?!? couldnt get a group for nutting told them it was the gun they gave me a 
tuers out it WAS the rifle- pulled to bolt out and it wall sorts of fucked up- probaly the whoe gun too told them i wanted a new rifle- of course after the tard SF guys argued up and down i got a new one and grouped em within a quarter then i got the 46. |
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Well, the Airman was technically correct about bending the barrel. Pressure from the sling will slightly bend it until the pressure is released, but this really only matters to match shooters.
It can and does happen frequently on barrels of all sizes when the sling is too tight. The USMC found it can change POI as much as 6" at 100 yards. I've personally witnessed (and can duplicate) over a 2" shift at 25 yards. Quoted:
It sounds like someone with a little bit of information told him something and he ran with it. A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
No offense, but- pot... meet kettle. 
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I don't get his comment on the nose to charging handle. Consistency is important and that is one way to ensure you get as close to the same position for every shot as possible. I don't understand, either. This marksmanship instructor has some more issues, methinks. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Well, the Airman was technically correct about bending the barrel. Pressure from the sling will slightly bend it until the pressure is released, but this really only matters to match shooters. It can and does happen frequently on barrels of all sizes when the sling is too tight. The USMC found it can change POI as much as 6" at 100 yards. I've personally witnessed (and can duplicate) over a 2" shift at 25 yards. Quoted: It sounds like someone with a little bit of information told him something and he ran with it. A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. No offense, but- pot... meet kettle. Quoted: I don't get his comment on the nose to charging handle. Consistency is important and that is one way to ensure you get as close to the same position for every shot as possible. I don't understand, either. This marksmanship instructor has some more issues, methinks. You do know we qualify at 25 meters? Just how much of a point of impact change are you going to get at that distance? Even if we go with your six inches you can cut that down to 1.5 inches. It is enough to miss, but you would really have to be cranking down on that sling. |