[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Shooting at MTSU (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 2/14/2011 9:41:06 AM EDT
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Few details at the moment.
Apparently two men got into an argument at MTSU. One pulled a weapon and shot the other in the hand. NO FATALITIES. Suspect at large. Campus on total lockdown. http://www.wsmv.com/news/26860249/detail.html UPDATE: "Shooting update: We have been informed by our campus police that Murfreesboro City Police have apprehended the suspect wanted in connection with this morning’s shooting at the Business and Aerospace Building. However, we are asking that the university community remain in place and remain cautious until we send out a further notice. I will provide more information to you as it becomes available." http://www.facebook.com/mtsublueraiders UPDATE 2: http://www.wsmv.com/news/26860249/detail.html VIDEO |
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Thank God the campus police got AR-15s in December! http://www.newschannel5.com/story/13648258/mtsu-police-add-powerful-weapon-to-arsenal
Fucking bullshit, why can't I defend MYSELF on a state campus? These campus polices aren't going to be able to do anything but clean up the mess I am a current MTSU student and honestly this just reminds me of how my hands are tied because I want to receive an education and not wind up a felon. |
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Fucking bullshit, why can't I defend MYSELF on a state campus? These campus police aren't going to be able to do anything but clean up the mess I am a current MTSU student and honestly this just reminds me of how my hands are tied because I want to receive an education and not wind up a felon. No offense, but given the general immaturity level of most college undergrads, I believe that what you'd see more of are the sort of incidents that the OP is talking about. |
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Thank God the campus police got AR-15s in December! http://www.newschannel5.com/story/13648258/mtsu-police-add-powerful-weapon-to-arsenal Fucking bullshit, why can't I defend MYSELF on a state campus? These campus polices aren't going to be able to do anything but clean up the mess I am a current MTSU student and honestly this just reminds me of how my hands are tied because I want to receive an education and not wind up a felon. I'm a student as well. Hopefully this incident will bring up the issue of carry on campus. |
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Fucking bullshit, why can't I defend MYSELF on a state campus? These campus police aren't going to be able to do anything but clean up the mess I am a current MTSU student and honestly this just reminds me of how my hands are tied because I want to receive an education and not wind up a felon. No offense, but given the general immaturity level of most college undergrads, I believe that what you'd see more of are the sort of incidents that the OP is talking about. So if I was 21 years old but not on a college campus I would be good to go with a concealed weapon? |
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Fucking bullshit, why can't I defend MYSELF on a state campus? These campus police aren't going to be able to do anything but clean up the mess I am a current MTSU student and honestly this just reminds me of how my hands are tied because I want to receive an education and not wind up a felon. No offense, but given the general immaturity level of most college undergrads, I believe that what you'd see more of are the sort of incidents that the OP is talking about. Oh, no. |
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So if I was 21 years old but not on a college campus I would be good to go with a concealed weapon? Most of the students on campus are under 21. Understood, but a good number of students are of the legal age (21) to own/carry a firearm. Should campus be any different than other places they routinely visit? |
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So if I was 21 years old but not on a college campus I would be good to go with a concealed weapon? Most of the students on campus are under 21. Then your argument is invalid since those that would be carrying are older, mature, and responsible. My 19 yr old college student has a CCW permit. |
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Then your argument is invalid since those that would be carrying are older, mature, and responsible. Not always. Even seniors in college are immature for the most part. They haven't gotten out into the real world. Quoted:
Understood, but a good number of students are of the legal age (21) to own/carry a firearm. Should campus be any different than other places they routinely visit? Off campus housing is one thing. I don't think any students should be carrying on campus. |
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Then your argument is invalid since those that would be carrying are older, mature, and responsible. Not always. Even seniors in college are immature for the most part. They haven't gotten out into the real world. Quoted:
Understood, but a good number of students are of the legal age (21) to own/carry a firearm. Should campus be any different than other places they routinely visit? Off campus housing is one thing. I don't think any students should be carrying on campus. It's a good thing you are not in charge. People in college are in the real world. If Eve Carson could have had concealed carry, maybe she would still be alive. |
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It's a good thing you are not in charge. People in college are in the real world. If Eve Carson could have had concealed carry, maybe she would still be alive. People in college are in the real world? No, for the most part they aren't. Most of them are away from mommy and daddy for the first time and spend more time partying it up than studying. There are always exceptions, but having grown up in a college town, thats my observation of your typical student. |
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It's a good thing you are not in charge. People in college are in the real world. If Eve Carson could have had concealed carry, maybe she would still be alive. People in college are in the real world? No, for the most part they aren't. Most of them are away from mommy and daddy for the first time and spend more time partying it up than studying. There are always exceptions, but having grown up in a college town, thats my observation of your typical student. What kind of student were you? College students of age that meet the requirements have every right to protect themselves. |
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This is just "down the road" from my university. I am glad to hear that there are no fatalities and major injuries.
I really think students should be allowed to carry on campus, pending that they have a CCW permit. Part of me almost wants to say that there should be some additional requirement to receive permission to carry on campus, like an additional mandatory class, interview, etc. or something along those lines. |
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This is just "down the road" from my university. I am glad to hear that there are no fatalities and major injuries. I really think students should be allowed to carry on campus, pending that they have a CCW permit. Part of me almost wants to say that there should be some additional requirement to receive permission to carry on campus, like an additional mandatory class, interview, etc. or something along those lines. What makes you think college students are less capable of exercising a right than other people? |
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What kind of student were you? College students of age that meet the requirements have every right to protect themselves. I wasn't much like the partying students, but in retrospect I had some of the same immaturity issues I see in students today. That doesn't go away til you get out in the world, and even then there are immature adults. We all know them. Most people get their acts together. People have the right to protect themselves, but I see the immaturity of the people we're talking about being a real issue as far as introducing firearms into the equation. |
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What kind of student were you? College students of age that meet the requirements have every right to protect themselves. I wasn't much like the partying students, but in retrospect I had some of the same immaturity issues I see in students today. That doesn't go away til you get out in the world, and even then there are immature adults. We all know them. Most people get their acts together. People have the right to protect themselves, but I see the immaturity of the people we're talking about being a real issue as far as introducing firearms into the equation. Where's the maturity clause of the 2nd Amendment or any state's CCW law? |
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I just wrote Diane Black and Joe Carr regarding campus carry. I would suggest you local guys all do the same.
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What kind of student were you? College students of age that meet the requirements have every right to protect themselves. I wasn't much like the partying students, but in retrospect I had some of the same immaturity issues I see in students today. That doesn't go away til you get out in the world, and even then there are immature adults. We all know them. Most people get their acts together. People have the right to protect themselves, but I see the immaturity of the people we're talking about being a real issue as far as introducing firearms into the equation. Where's the maturity clause of the 2nd Amendment or any state's CCW law? I was a husband at 19 years old. I had to wait 2 YEARS to defend the lives of me and my wife out in public because of obscure laws. Am I mature enough? Is there a maturity tax I must pay in order for my life to be valued enough to carry a handgun? |
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Where's the maturity clause of the 2nd Amendment or any state's CCW law? If we're going to issue carry permits we should be ensuring that the applicant meets certain criteria, and two of those to me are maturity and proficiency. There is already another thread going about the lack of proficiency.This thread is about the widespread lack of maturity of the group we are talking about. |
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This is just "down the road" from my university. I am glad to hear that there are no fatalities and major injuries. I really think students should be allowed to carry on campus, pending that they have a CCW permit. Part of me almost wants to say that there should be some additional requirement to receive permission to carry on campus, like an additional mandatory class, interview, etc. or something along those lines. What makes you think college students are less capable of exercising a right than other people? Well I suggest this more of a matter of easing the fears of campus faculty, authorities, etc. that are not very accepting of the idea of campus carry. Since campus carry has been a touchy subject for a while now, I think there should be something done that will allow authorities, faculty, etc. to be more at ease with students (and even professors, etc.) carrying. So to answer your question, I don't think qualified (i.e. holds a CCW permit) college students are less capable of exercising their right to carry. The suggestion was merely a possible method to improve chances of having a campus carry bill being passed. This also kind of ties in with what tc556guy said: If we're going to issue carry permits we should be ensuring that the applicant meets certain criteria, and two of those to me are maturity and proficiency. There is already another thread going about the lack of proficiency.This thread is about the widespread lack of maturity of the group we are talking about |
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So if I was 21 years old but not on a college campus I would be good to go with a concealed weapon? Most of the students on campus are under 21. Quoted:
Oh, no. Oh yes. and our 18-21 year old armed forces PFC's are more mature? they are pretty much one in the same, maturity wise. dont give me the crap about training either. immaturity can not be "trained away" but hey, what do i know. im just a former student who graduated 4 years ago. lets keep schools gun free, and let the shooters kill at will while cops wait outside till the gunfire stops. |
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Many students carry anyway. Was very common at my public university. Rules be damned when it's my life at stake. i may or may not know a few students who did this as well, especially after Virginia tech. only time they would find a CCW piece would be after its used to defend ones life. i dare them to prosecute a student who stops a active shooter on campus. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So if I was 21 years old but not on a college campus I would be good to go with a concealed weapon? Most of the students on campus are under 21. Then your argument is invalid since those that would be carrying are older, mature, and responsible. My 19 yr old college student has a CCW permit. I was just countering the quoted statement above that said 21. Your 19 yr old can carry everywhere else so why is a university any different? People often say that college students younger than 21 are irresponsible and cant be trusted to carry because they're using alcohol yet fail to bring up the fact that underage drinking is illegal. A responsible 18 year old is an adult and should be treated as such. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Many students carry anyway. Was very common at my public university. Rules be damned when it's my life at stake. i may or may not know a few students who did this as well, especially after Virginia tech. only time they would find a CCW piece would be after its used to defend ones life. i dare them to prosecute a student who stops a active shooter on campus. In Virginia it isn't even illegal. It's univ. policy that can get an employee fired or student kicked out. |
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I am amazed at the number of people on this site that want to limit the rights of others. When you live in a society of 300-plus million people, you don't get to do everything you want to do as an individual. Thats simply reality. Quoted:
and our 18-21 year old armed forces PFC's are more mature? they are pretty much one in the same, maturity wise. dont give me the crap about training either. immaturity can not be "trained away" The young goofy PFC has multiple layers of leadership above them to prevent stupid stuff from happening as much as possible. Quoted:
A responsible 18 year old is an adult and should be treated as such. Every 18 year old likes to think of themselves as an adult. They aren't. |
Just because you might have been reckless and immature at that age doesn't mean every other young man or woman is. Everyone has to know their limitations. You obviously knew yours. If they are old enough to vote, then they are old enough to CCW. Do something stupid and suffer the consequences afterwards like everyone else.
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Just because you might have been reckless and immature at that age doesn't mean every other young man or woman is. Everyone has to know their limitations. You obviously knew yours. If they are old enough to vote, then they are old enough to CCW. Do something stupid and suffer the consequences afterwards like everyone else.Where did I say that I was basing my opinion solely off of my personal experience? I live in a college town. I deal with college students often. The mature ones are vastly outnumbered by the immature ones. Vastly. |
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Then your argument is invalid since those that would be carrying are older, mature, and responsible. Not always. Even seniors in college are immature for the most part. They haven't gotten out into the real world. Quoted:
Understood, but a good number of students are of the legal age (21) to own/carry a firearm. Should campus be any different than other places they routinely visit? Off campus housing is one thing. I don't think any students should be carrying on campus. But .mil is mature enough at the same age, is that what you are saying? |
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Well I am quite sure that there are some mature college kids that would be responsible enough to get the training and proficiency to be able to carry on campus.
Kind a of a broad brush to say none are mature enough. I would like to have them have the opportunity to carry. |
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Then your argument is invalid since those that would be carrying are older, mature, and responsible. Not always. Even seniors in college are immature for the most part. They haven't gotten out into the real world. Quoted:
Understood, but a good number of students are of the legal age (21) to own/carry a firearm. Should campus be any different than other places they routinely visit? Off campus housing is one thing. I don't think any students should be carrying on campus. You should have been a student at VT in one of the classes that the shooter went into. 
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Quoted: Legally they are. They have the right to vote, marry, join the armed forces, and have firearms at home. Besides that, there are many college students who are older than your stereotypical fresh-out-of-high-school students. And faculty and staff. Why infringe upon their rights to self defense?Quoted: A responsible 18 year old is an adult and should be treated as such. Every 18 year old likes to think of themselves as an adult. They aren't. I agree with you, there are a lot of idiots who are immature and untrustworthy but that isn't a reason to screw over the ones who just want to be able to defend themselves when another nutjob shooter comes along. |
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and our 18-21 year old armed forces PFC's are more mature? they are pretty much one in the same, maturity wise. dont give me the crap about training either. immaturity can not be "trained away" Actually, immaturity CAN be "trained away". Either you've never been in the military or you've not been around a college campus too much or both. College kids, by & large, ARE immature alcohol receptacles just waiting for an incident. I also ref'd some intramural sports leagues when I was at MTSU (the school in the story, BTW). Virtually every week during FLAG (not tackle or rugby) football season there was a large brawl between fraternity teams of one sort or another. There's a HUGE difference between a 19-22 year old in the military & the same age in college. Yes, there will be some exceptions to that rule but those will be in the single digit %, IMO. |
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Just because you might have been reckless and immature at that age doesn't mean every other young man or woman is. Everyone has to know their limitations. You obviously knew yours. If they are old enough to vote, then they are old enough to CCW. Do something stupid and suffer the consequences afterwards like everyone else.Where did I say that I was basing my opinion solely off of my personal experience? I live in a college town. I deal with college students often. The mature ones are vastly outnumbered by the immature ones. Vastly. I agree completely with this statement but my experience has been that those willing to undergo a Texas CHL class (my only point of reference) are likely mature enough, or at least more mature, than the average college student. Either we support legal carry of concealed weapons for law abiding citizens (no mental issues, etc.), or we don't. How the heck could we possibly hope to measure something as vague and arbitrary as their maturity level? I really don't want to hijack this thread, but there are a number of professions that regularly grant enormous responsibilities and privelege to people whose maturity level is nowhere near what it should be to handle those responsibilities and priveleges. They met the basic employment requirements and are set loose in society, maturity be damned. |
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and our 18-21 year old armed forces PFC's are more mature? they are pretty much one in the same, maturity wise. dont give me the crap about training either. immaturity can not be "trained away" Actually, immaturity CAN be "trained away". Either you've never been in the military or you've not been around a college campus too much or both. College kids, by & large, ARE immature alcohol receptacles just waiting for an incident. I also ref'd some intramural sports leagues when I was at MTSU (the school in the story, BTW). Virtually every week during FLAG (not tackle or rugby) football season there was a large brawl between fraternity teams of one sort or another. There's a HUGE difference between a 19-22 year old in the military & the same age in college. Yes, there will be some exceptions to that rule but those will be in the single digit %, IMO. Come on, guys. Saying that a college student who gets a CCH is an immature kid, is like saying a regular citizen that gets one is a hothead looking for trouble. College campuses have proven to be some of the most dangerous places for violent activity. Why would you deny permit holders the right to exercise their God-given right to self protection? It doesn't matter if some students or even the vast majority of students are immature. What matters is the actions of legal permit holders. Right now, most permit holders are denied their best option for protection. There is no way to defend the statement that on average folks in the military are any more mature than college kids of the same age. If so, point me to facts and not your opinions. Opinions aren't worth much for proof. |
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Then your argument is invalid since those that would be carrying are older, mature, and responsible. Not always. Even seniors in college are immature for the most part. They haven't gotten out into the real world. Quoted:
Understood, but a good number of students are of the legal age (21) to own/carry a firearm. Should campus be any different than other places they routinely visit? Off campus housing is one thing. I don't think any students should be carrying on campus. I'm a 26 year old combat veteran in a master's program. Is it OK with you if I carry on campus, dad? 
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and our 18-21 year old armed forces PFC's are more mature? they are pretty much one in the same, maturity wise. dont give me the crap about training either. immaturity can not be "trained away" Actually, immaturity CAN be "trained away". Either you've never been in the military or you've not been around a college campus too much or both. College kids, by & large, ARE immature alcohol receptacles just waiting for an incident. I also ref'd some intramural sports leagues when I was at MTSU (the school in the story, BTW). Virtually every week during FLAG (not tackle or rugby) football season there was a large brawl between fraternity teams of one sort or another. There's a HUGE difference between a 19-22 year old in the military & the same age in college. Yes, there will be some exceptions to that rule but those will be in the single digit %, IMO. therein lies your problem. frat guys are not usually a seller example of what a college student should be. frats promote partying, drinking, and fucking around. for the most part. academic frats do not fall into this category. i know just as many military hot heads as i do collegiate ones. |
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Then your argument is invalid since those that would be carrying are older, mature, and responsible. Not always. Even seniors in college are immature for the most part. They haven't gotten out into the real world. Quoted:
Understood, but a good number of students are of the legal age (21) to own/carry a firearm. Should campus be any different than other places they routinely visit? Off campus housing is one thing. I don't think any students should be carrying on campus. Seriously - how can you believe that and support concealed carry, period? |
