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1/8/2011 5:51:59 AM EDT
Has anyone read this book?  Seems pretty well researched.  From the site:

http://www.thegreatcholesterolcon.com/

You will learn why:

   * A single disgruntled researcher, who conducted some of the sloppiest and most shamelessly biased research ever seen, was largely responsible for launching the anti-animal fat/anti-cholesterol mania as we know it today!
   * The rise in coronary heart disease that occurred during the twentieth century had nothing whatsoever to do with saturated fat intake!
   * Study after study has shown that people with so-called 'healthy' low cholesterol levels actually live shorter lives!
   * Upon closer scrutiny, the very studies that have formed the cornerstone of the anti-cholesterol argument actually show that cholesterol and saturated fat are not harmful!
   * Numerous populations consuming high saturated fat diets have been documented to enjoy very low rates of heart disease!
   * Over fifty years' worth of clinical dietary intervention trials have completely failed to show any mortality benefit among those following saturated fat-restricted diets - in fact, several of these studies showed higher death rates among those assigned to diets low in saturated fats!
   * Many dietary recommendations made by 'experts' to reduce heart disease have actually been shown in animal and human studies to increase heart disease, cancer, diabetes and obesity!
   * The primary force behind the anti-cholesterol paradigm is not public health, but greed! Drug companies, food companies, the medical profession, and health organizations all make billions in dollars of profit from the cholesterol theory!


Did you know that:

   * Your blood sugar level is a far more powerful influence on your future heart attack risk than blood cholesterol could ever dream of being?
   * Stress is one of the most powerful, but underrated, triggers of heart disease?
   * That the low-fat diet you are following to avoid coronary disease may in fact be setting you up for a deadly heart attack?
   * That, despite an abundant calorie intake, the diet eaten by most people leaves their hearts and arteries starved of the very nutrients they need to repair themselves?
   * That a little-known substance exerts a huge influence over whether or not you will succumb to heart disease? (Learn what this substance is, and how to maintain healthy levels of it!)
   * That the type of fat you eat is more important than the amount of fat you eat?
   * That regular exercise can keep 'old' hearts as robust as young ones?
   * That the mineral iron may hold the key to one of the greatest heart disease mysteries of all time?
   * That your dentist may be a more powerful ally in your quest to avoid heart disease than your doctor?
   * That the massively-hyped Polypill is based on some highly questionable research assumptions?
   * That a safe, effective drug-free 'Polypill' is already widely available?
   * When it comes to increasing lifespan, aspirin, cholesterol drugs, bypass surgery and angioplasty are utterly useless for the majority of people they are prescribed for?
   * That vegetarian eating has not been shown to extend mortality or protect against heart disease?
1/8/2011 5:52:38 AM EDT
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1/8/2011 5:54:50 AM EDT
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Click here to order now for $19.95 was all I saw.
1/8/2011 5:55:46 AM EDT
[#3]
I agree. It is sugar that is killing us.

Good read- "Lights out: Sleep, Sugar, and Survival"
1/8/2011 5:56:27 AM EDT
[#4]
I firmly believe that 2-3 times a week of hard aerobic activity almost completely nullifies the bad of eating a few eggs,  beef,  ice cream, etc... in the same week.  Getting your blood flowing around is the key to keeping your system up and running healthfully. Diet plays a role, but a far lesser one than vigorous exercise.
1/8/2011 5:57:22 AM EDT
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Facepalm.
1/8/2011 5:58:47 AM EDT
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I don't know about that, but my brother just had some stents put in because his arteries were clogged up with that myth.

Then again, I could listen to saturday morning AM radio and listen to the latest fish-oil pill or some kind of silver extract stuff that will cure everything from acne to cancer.

It's true.  There's a doctor that says so.

1/8/2011 6:01:21 AM EDT
[#7]
Is it possible that EVERYTHING is a conspiracy?  OMG I've stumbled upon a new conspiracy!  

I'm building an aluminum foil suit of armor as we speak.
1/8/2011 6:02:18 AM EDT
[#8]
But bacon doesnt count as cholesterol because its bacon.
1/8/2011 6:04:02 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:

I don't know about that, but my brother just had some stents put in because his arteries were clogged up with that myth.

Then again, I could listen to saturday morning AM radio and listen to the latest fish-oil pill or some kind of silver extract stuff that will cure everything from acne to cancer.

It's true.  There's a doctor that says so.



from what i gather the book is saying that its not cholesterol thats causing arteries to get clogged and that most people who have heart attacks have 'normal' cholesterol levels
1/8/2011 6:05:40 AM EDT
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Quoted:

I don't know about that, but my brother just had some stents put in because his arteries were clogged up with that myth.

Then again, I could listen to saturday morning AM radio and listen to the latest fish-oil pill or some kind of silver extract stuff that will cure everything from acne to cancer.

It's true.  There's a doctor that says so.



Yeah.  This myth caused my dad to have a quadruple bypass at 48 years old.
1/8/2011 6:06:29 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
I firmly believe that 2-3 times a week of hard aerobic activity almost completely nullifies the bad of eating a few eggs,  beef,  ice cream, etc... in the same week.  Getting your blood flowing around is the key to keeping your system up and running healthfully. Diet plays a role, but a far lesser one than vigorous exercise.


Jim Fixx might disagree with you if he still could.



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1/8/2011 6:07:52 AM EDT
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Quoted:

I don't know about that, but my brother just had some stents put in because his arteries were clogged up with that myth.

Then again, I could listen to saturday morning AM radio and listen to the latest fish-oil pill or some kind of silver extract stuff that will cure everything from acne to cancer.

It's true.  There's a doctor that says so.



It is the sugar that turns into arterie-clogging plaque.

Fat gets burned off.

1/8/2011 6:08:48 AM EDT
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Quoted:


But bacon doesnt count as cholesterol because its bacon.






 
1/8/2011 6:11:30 AM EDT
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Insurance Companies also benefit by charging higher rates....not sure how he missed that one

1/8/2011 6:15:06 AM EDT
[#15]
Sensationalist bullshit designed to sell books.

As a dentist I can say that the link between gum disease and heart disease is unclear at best and I sincerely doubt there is any causative connection between the two.
1/8/2011 6:21:41 AM EDT
[#16]
GD will believe anything. That "myth" is why I've had two heart attacks and am looking at my third stent.

I'm starting a new business.  I have horses for the raw product, now all I need is some snappy packaging and a distribution setup.

Maybe I'll sell the stuff next to the "Bath Salts" and spread the rumor that ingesting equine products gets you high.
1/8/2011 6:24:49 AM EDT
[#17]
OP, you might like this article:

http://www.health-report.co.uk/saturated_fats_health_benefits.htm

I mean, I suppose you can consume too much of anything and it will be bad for you.......but things like butterfat, in moderation are good for you IMHO.

They are dense in calories though.
1/8/2011 6:26:25 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Quoted:
I firmly believe that 2-3 times a week of hard aerobic activity almost completely nullifies the bad of eating a few eggs,  beef,  ice cream, etc... in the same week.  Getting your blood flowing around is the key to keeping your system up and running healthfully. Diet plays a role, but a far lesser one than vigorous exercise.


Jim Fixx might disagree with you if he still could.



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From Wikipedia-

Fixx was genetically predisposed (his father died of a heart attack aged 43 and Fixx himself had a congenitally enlarged heart) and several lifestyle issues (Fixx was a heavy smoker prior to beginning running aged 36, he had a stressful occupation, he had undergone a second divorce, and his weight before he took up running had ballooned to 220lbs). [5]



1/8/2011 6:26:46 AM EDT
[#19]
Man, if I only had $19.95 I could save my life. How can Obama let there be a charge for this stunning information.

How can I learn the secret substance?  Maybe if I become a scientologist...
1/8/2011 6:27:35 AM EDT
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Quoted:


Sensationalist bullshit designed to sell books.



As a dentist I can say that the link between gum disease and heart disease is unclear at best and I sincerely doubt there is any causative connection between the two.


People who generally ignore their oral healthy, also generally ignore the over-all health.  Bad blood cholesterol is associated with chronic inflammation.  Gingivitis+ chronic inflammation of the gums.   Makes sense to me.



 
1/8/2011 6:29:27 AM EDT
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i dont see anything crazy in it so far.  he basically says, eat protein, fruit, veg and a lot less carbs, exercise and reduce stress levels
1/8/2011 6:29:44 AM EDT
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Far more important than any 'o that stuff in GENETICS.

You are born hard-wired with your Fate already in place.

Diet and exercise can help, but not overcome your in-built software.
1/8/2011 6:32:59 AM EDT
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Quoted:



Quoted:

I firmly believe that 2-3 times a week of hard aerobic activity almost completely nullifies the bad of eating a few eggs,  beef,  ice cream, etc... in the same week.  Getting your blood flowing around is the key to keeping your system up and running healthfully. Diet plays a role, but a far lesser one than vigorous exercise.




Jim Fixx might disagree with you if he still could.







Who lived longer, Jim Fixx or Jerry Garcia?



And who do you think had more fun along the way?
 
1/8/2011 6:33:13 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Facepalm.


Indeed!

Anyone who believes that fat consumption and serum cholesterol have no role in heart disease is sadly mistaken.  Heart disease DOES result from a variety of things.  Some things you cannot control such as genetics.  If you have it in your genes, it is merely a matter of time before you develop heart disease.  

Other things you CAN control, including diet (which INCLUDES fat, sugar and sodium), excercise, smoking, weight and blood sugar.  

There's no conspiracy.

Sheesh.


ETA:

Arterial plaques are composed of lipids with a varying amount of calcium.  Ask a vascular surgeon or cardiologist.  

If you ever get to see what they scrape out of patients' carotid arteries from time-to-time, you'll see.  It's like rubber.

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1/8/2011 6:36:19 AM EDT
[#25]
High cholesterol is not a risk factor, it is a symptom.  It is a symptom of bad endothelial health which can be caused by sugar consumption and other inflammation triggers.  Basically, your body tries to "patch" the damage releasing cholesterol and causing cholesterol to adhere to the damaged veins and arteries.  In a healthy endothelial system, the cholesterol just circulates harmlessly in solution.

When you artificially lower cholesterol without addressing the underlying causes, you are setting yourself up for other problems.  Cholesterol is an important nutritional element, contributing to hormone production and immune system functionality.  Get your cholesterol too low and you get CANCER!

But, between the insurance companies and the drug industry, you can't buck the cholesterol machine.
1/8/2011 6:37:58 AM EDT
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Quoted:



I don't know about that, but my brother just had some stents put in because his arteries were clogged up with that myth.



Then again, I could listen to saturday morning AM radio and listen to the latest fish-oil pill or some kind of silver extract stuff that will cure everything from acne to cancer.



It's true.  There's a doctor that says so.







It is the sugar that turns into arterie-clogging plaque.



Fat gets burned off.





Please attempt to explain this at even the most basic chemical level.



 
1/8/2011 6:43:25 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Far more important than any 'o that stuff in GENETICS.

You are born hard-wired with your Fate already in place.

Diet and exercise can help, but not overcome your in-built software.


I have a buddy who was a lifelong fitness fanatic, and ate an EXTREMELY diet.
Long distance runner, etc
Had told me no man in his family had ever hit 60YO and he aimed to be the first.
Constantly nagged me about my hoffific eating/lifestyle.
He had a stroke at 50.

My Dad, Lord willing, will be 85 in a few days.
Been smoking since he was 12, and usually pops the top on the first of many by 0700,every day.
Deep fries EVERYTHING.
Says "a lot of things MAY kill me, but stress ain't one of them!"
Most of the men on his side lived well into their 80s, 90s, and one cracked the century mark.

'Course on my Mom's side, plenty died in their 30s and 40s.
I'm HOPING genetics are on my side.



1/8/2011 6:52:23 AM EDT
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i dont see anything crazy in it so far.  he basically says, eat protein, fruit, veg and a lot less carbs, exercise and reduce stress levels


No.  Fucking.  Way.  What a revolutionary paradigm!!!
1/8/2011 7:02:30 AM EDT
[#29]
Science is losing all credibility.
1/8/2011 7:05:14 AM EDT
[#30]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Far more important than any 'o that stuff in GENETICS.

You are born hard-wired with your Fate already in place.

Diet and exercise can help, but not overcome your in-built software.


I have a buddy who was a lifelong fitness fanatic, and ate an EXTREMELY diet.
Long distance runner, etc
Had told me no man in his family had ever hit 60YO and he aimed to be the first.
Constantly nagged me about my hoffific eating/lifestyle.
He had a stroke at 50.

My Dad, Lord willing, will be 85 in a few days.
Been smoking since he was 12, and usually pops the top on the first of many by 0700,every day.
Deep fries EVERYTHING.
Says "a lot of things MAY kill me, but stress ain't one of them!"
Most of the men on his side lived well into their 80s, 90s, and one cracked the century mark.

'Course on my Mom's side, plenty died in their 30s and 40s.
I'm HOPING genetics are on my side.





How old are you?
1/8/2011 7:09:58 AM EDT
[#31]
Stop eating sugar, get some exercise, sleep more, lower your stress level, fall lin love as often as possible and you will live a wonderful life.
1/8/2011 7:13:07 AM EDT
[#32]
between the insurance companies and the drug industry, you can't buck the cholesterol machine.


Big pharma-co's and docs make huge fortunes off statins.

That train will not be permitted to stop rolling.

They will have the little kids on statins soon.

(As they are still fed huge amounts of SUGAR.)

1/8/2011 7:13:29 AM EDT
[#33]
Strep infections affects the vessel walls and subsequent scarring gives the fats a place to build up.

My doc tried to get me on simvastatin but got joint&muscle pain + confusion. I was going to make an appointment to be checked for the early onset of alzheimer's but saw that the confusion & forgetfulness that I was having was also a side effect of that shit. Quit taking it and it took almost a week for the side effects to go away. When I went back to the doc, he said that he had never heard of the mental aspect of simvastatin side effects; told me that he couldn't find it in the app he had on his Palm Pilot so he prescribed a lower dose instead. So I threw the new prescription in the trash on the way out the door.
1/8/2011 7:25:10 AM EDT
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Science is losing all credibility.

Why? Because some guy trying to sell you a book for $20 says there's a massive cover-up?

From what I've seen I could tell people here that there's a big cover up about drinking bleach, its works as viagra but the drug companies and doctors are in on a racket and don't want you to know and by morning half the site would be in the hospital.
1/8/2011 7:39:00 AM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Science is losing all credibility.

Why? Because some guy trying to sell you a book for $20 says there's a massive cover-up?

From what I've seen I could tell people here that there's a big cover up about drinking bleach, its works as viagra but the drug companies and doctors are in on a racket and don't want you to know and by morning half the site would be hospital.


No doubt.  Sometimes I wonder how half this site made it past puberty without killing themselves off.  
1/8/2011 7:45:11 AM EDT
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1/8/2011 8:07:31 AM EDT
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Ya think they actually sold 1M+ copies?  The idiot market is bigger than I thought!
1/8/2011 8:07:51 AM EDT
[#38]
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I agree. It is sugar that is killing us.

Good read- "Lights out: Sleep, Sugar, and Survival"


Yep. Low fat diets are bullshit and unhealthy.

Excellent lecture by Robert H. Lustig, MD. He goes pretty in-depth and he's not selling anything.

Sugar: The Bitter Truth
1/8/2011 8:12:01 AM EDT
[#39]
I dunno, people who follow an Atkins type diet or a paleo type diet, both of which are very high in fat, and very low in carbohydrate claim to have better numbers than people who stick to low fat diets.  
1/8/2011 10:42:45 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Quoted:
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I firmly believe that 2-3 times a week of hard aerobic activity almost completely nullifies the bad of eating a few eggs,  beef,  ice cream, etc... in the same week.  Getting your blood flowing around is the key to keeping your system up and running healthfully. Diet plays a role, but a far lesser one than vigorous exercise.


Jim Fixx might disagree with you if he still could.



From Wikipedia-

Fixx was genetically predisposed (his father died of a heart attack aged 43 and Fixx himself had a congenitally enlarged heart) and several lifestyle issues (Fixx was a heavy smoker prior to beginning running aged 36, he had a stressful occupation, he had undergone a second divorce, and his weight before he took up running had ballooned to 220lbs). [5]





That is  kind of my point. He didn't take care of himself much of his life. Vigorous exercise is great, but will not by itself fix a lifetime of screwing your body up. It's a package deal, no one aspect is any worse than the others: cholesterol, smoking, hypertension, obesity, inactivity, smoking, age, stress, and family history. They can all get you.

ETA: I actually get to hear Dr. Cooper speak last month and he mentioned Fixx. He does a much better job of explaining it that I do. Basicall Fixx figured as long as he was exercising he must be ok.

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1/8/2011 10:48:41 AM EDT
[#41]


I'll say this; I am reading "The Primal Blueprint".  I significantly reduced carbs and sugar for a week and I have felt better than I have in a LONG time.  I basically ate meet, fruit, and veggies for a week.
1/8/2011 10:51:27 AM EDT
[#42]
For me sugar is the great bugaboo. I cut out sugar and I turn into Batman.
1/8/2011 11:24:52 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
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I firmly believe that 2-3 times a week of hard aerobic activity almost completely nullifies the bad of eating a few eggs,  beef,  ice cream, etc... in the same week.  Getting your blood flowing around is the key to keeping your system up and running healthfully. Diet plays a role, but a far lesser one than vigorous exercise.


Jim Fixx might disagree with you if he still could.



From Wikipedia-

Fixx was genetically predisposed (his father died of a heart attack aged 43 and Fixx himself had a congenitally enlarged heart) and several lifestyle issues (Fixx was a heavy smoker prior to beginning running aged 36, he had a stressful occupation, he had undergone a second divorce, and his weight before he took up running had ballooned to 220lbs). [5]





That is  kind of my point. He didn't take care of himself much of his life. Vigorous exercise is great, but will not by itself fix a lifetime of screwing your body up. It's a package deal, no one aspect is any worse than the others: cholesterol, smoking, hypertension, obesity, inactivity, smoking, age, stress, and family history. They can all get you.

ETA: I actually get to hear Dr. Cooper speak last month and he mentioned Fixx. He does a much better job of explaining it that I do. Basicall Fixx figured as long as he was exercising he must be ok.

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I think my point is genetics played too much of a role in elevating his risks, and using him as an example of what or what not do has too many unknown variables.
1/8/2011 11:40:30 AM EDT
[#44]
How many of you are old enough to remember this longevity expert and author who dropped dead on his stool during the taping of a talk show?

http://www.yourememberthat.com/media/11058/Guest_Dies_During_TV_Talk_Show/
1/8/2011 11:42:18 AM EDT
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I think inflammation and carbs are going to end up being the primary causative factor in so many of our modern diseases.  The "Paleo" movement is growing every day.

My dad and his older brother had heart scans on the same day.  My uncle scored a "0" and my dad scored "800" and ended up having quintuple bypass surgery.  My uncle smoked most of his adult life and used prescription drugs recreationally.  My dad did neither.  My dad was overweight and my uncle was not.  What I believe is probably the most important factor is that my dad is one of the most high-strung people I've ever met and my uncle is one of the most relaxed and laid-back people I know.  Stress really does awful things to your body.