[ARCHIVED THREAD] - M4 vs mid-length (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/1/2011 10:29:42 PM EDT
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Because Google is always the answer and the OP thought maybe someone on the site might be able to help him out. Really? You must be fucking kidding  Let me start a thread to see if there is a difference between 223 and 5.56...ill never know with the help of GD cause its never been covered 
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Really? You must be fucking kidding Let me start a thread to see if there is a difference between 223 and 5.56...ill never know with the help of GD cause its never been covered Dude, simmer down, this is a legitimate question and not everyone is up to speed on everything AR. Loosen up the girdle and change the tampon 
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m4gery is terrible looking Relative, but you're wrong, they look dead sexy shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet wrong, you indeed can Corrections in red Ick, the M4rgery is the down syndrome AR. Barrel sticking out farther beyond the FSB than it should. 
And you have to have one of those ugly tard extender bayonets to seat on an M4rgery. Now if you're talking REAL M4, the barrel length is correct (so it can seat a normal M7 bayonet). |
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m4gery is terrible looking Relative, but you're wrong, they look dead sexy shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet wrong, you indeed can Corrections in red Ick, the M4rgery is the down syndrome AR. Barrel sticking out farther beyond the FSB than it should.
And you have to have one of those ugly tard extender bayonets to seat on an M4rgery. Now if you're talking REAL M4, the barrel length is correct (so it can seat a normal M7 bayonet). You use a bayonet? Try shooting them... They don't get as close that way. M4 gas system is more common, thus if you're well trained on it, your training is compatible with more guns. Also it provides logistical commonality with USGI and less weight over the weak hand. I'm sorry if it looks ugly. Maybe if you put some bows and flowers on it you'd be willing to use it to kill people? TR85. |
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m4gery is terrible looking Relative, but you're wrong, they look dead sexy shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet wrong, you indeed can Corrections in red Ick, the M4rgery is the down syndrome AR. Barrel sticking out farther beyond the FSB than it should.
And you have to have one of those ugly tard extender bayonets to seat on an M4rgery. Now if you're talking REAL M4, the barrel length is correct (so it can seat a normal M7 bayonet). It's M9 bayonet for the current flavor and yes...the M4rgery seats the bayonet fine. Who cares about bayonets on civilian rifles? |
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m4gery is terrible looking Relative, but you're wrong, they look dead sexy shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet wrong, you indeed can Corrections in red Ick, the M4rgery is the down syndrome AR. Barrel sticking out farther beyond the FSB than it should.
And you have to have one of those ugly tard extender bayonets to seat on an M4rgery. Now if you're talking REAL M4, the barrel length is correct (so it can seat a normal M7 bayonet). It's M9 bayonet for the current flavor and yes...the M4rgery seats the bayonet fine. Who cares about bayonets on civilian rifles? Who cares about bayonets on military rifles? There are better melée weapons. And if you're at that point, you're pretty fucked. TR85. |
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m4gery is terrible looking Relative, but you're wrong, they look dead sexy shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet wrong, you indeed can Corrections in red Ick, the M4rgery is the down syndrome AR. Barrel sticking out farther beyond the FSB than it should.
And you have to have one of those ugly tard extender bayonets to seat on an M4rgery. Now if you're talking REAL M4, the barrel length is correct (so it can seat a normal M7 bayonet). It's M9 bayonet for the current flavor and yes...the M4rgery seats the bayonet fine. Who cares about bayonets on civilian rifles? Who cares about bayonets on military rifles? There are better melée weapons. And if you're at that point, you're pretty fucked. TR85. Who cares about bayonets? 
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m4gery is terrible looking Relative, but you're wrong, they look dead sexy shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet wrong, you indeed can Corrections in red Ick, the M4rgery is the down syndrome AR. Barrel sticking out farther beyond the FSB than it should.
And you have to have one of those ugly tard extender bayonets to seat on an M4rgery. Now if you're talking REAL M4, the barrel length is correct (so it can seat a normal M7 bayonet). You use a bayonet? Try shooting them... They don't get as close that way. M4 gas system is more common, thus if you're well trained on it, your training is compatible with more guns. Also it provides logistical commonality with USGI and less weight over the weak hand. I'm sorry if it looks ugly. Maybe if you put some bows and flowers on it you'd be willing to use it to kill people? TR85. As noted it only looks ugly when in M4rgery version. The real military version has the right barrel length past FSB. |
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m4gery is terrible looking Relative, but you're wrong, they look dead sexy shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet wrong, you indeed can Corrections in red Ick, the M4rgery is the down syndrome AR. Barrel sticking out farther beyond the FSB than it should.
And you have to have one of those ugly tard extender bayonets to seat on an M4rgery. Now if you're talking REAL M4, the barrel length is correct (so it can seat a normal M7 bayonet). It's M9 bayonet for the current flavor and yes...the M4rgery seats the bayonet fine. Who cares about bayonets on civilian rifles? No it doesn't. The military M4 does, but the M4rgery does not, without the tard extender. |
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m4gery is terrible looking Relative, but you're wrong, they look dead sexy shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet wrong, you indeed can Corrections in red Ick, the M4rgery is the down syndrome AR. Barrel sticking out farther beyond the FSB than it should.
And you have to have one of those ugly tard extender bayonets to seat on an M4rgery. Now if you're talking REAL M4, the barrel length is correct (so it can seat a normal M7 bayonet). It's M9 bayonet for the current flavor and yes...the M4rgery seats the bayonet fine. Who cares about bayonets on civilian rifles? No it doesn't. The military M4 does, but the M4rgery does not, without the tard extender. Yeah OK...my bayonet seats fine on my civilian version. Fits the same way as my issue M4 would if we ever pulled the bayonets out of whatever closet they are thankfully stored in. |
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m4gery is terrible looking Relative, but you're wrong, they look dead sexy shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet wrong, you indeed can Corrections in red Ick, the M4rgery is the down syndrome AR. Barrel sticking out farther beyond the FSB than it should.
And you have to have one of those ugly tard extender bayonets to seat on an M4rgery. Now if you're talking REAL M4, the barrel length is correct (so it can seat a normal M7 bayonet). You use a bayonet? Try shooting them... They don't get as close that way. M4 gas system is more common, thus if you're well trained on it, your training is compatible with more guns. Also it provides logistical commonality with USGI and less weight over the weak hand. I'm sorry if it looks ugly. Maybe if you put some bows and flowers on it you'd be willing to use it to kill people? TR85. As noted it only looks ugly when in M4rgery version. The real military version has the right barrel length past FSB. I really don't care what it looks like. I'd take giant pink purse into battle if it was the most capable weapon. TR85. |
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m4gery is terrible looking Relative, but you're wrong, they look dead sexy shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet wrong, you indeed can Corrections in red Ick, the M4rgery is the down syndrome AR. Barrel sticking out farther beyond the FSB than it should.
And you have to have one of those ugly tard extender bayonets to seat on an M4rgery. Now if you're talking REAL M4, the barrel length is correct (so it can seat a normal M7 bayonet). It's M9 bayonet for the current flavor and yes...the M4rgery seats the bayonet fine. Who cares about bayonets on civilian rifles? No it doesn't. The military M4 does, but the M4rgery does not, without the tard extender. Yeah OK...my bayonet seats fine on my civilian version. Fits the same way as my issue M4 would if we ever pulled the bayonets out of whatever closet they are thankfully stored in. Then you have a 14.5 in barrel (NFA) and it's not a real M4rgery (16 in barrel). The 16 in barrel M4geries don't seat one properly, the bayonet ring lays half-way down the barrel. |
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m4gery is terrible looking Relative, but you're wrong, they look dead sexy shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet wrong, you indeed can Corrections in red Ick, the M4rgery is the down syndrome AR. Barrel sticking out farther beyond the FSB than it should.
And you have to have one of those ugly tard extender bayonets to seat on an M4rgery. Now if you're talking REAL M4, the barrel length is correct (so it can seat a normal M7 bayonet). You use a bayonet? Try shooting them... They don't get as close that way. M4 gas system is more common, thus if you're well trained on it, your training is compatible with more guns. Also it provides logistical commonality with USGI and less weight over the weak hand. I'm sorry if it looks ugly. Maybe if you put some bows and flowers on it you'd be willing to use it to kill people? TR85. As noted it only looks ugly when in M4rgery version. The real military version has the right barrel length past FSB. I really don't care what it looks like. I'd take giant pink purse into battle if it was the most capable weapon. TR85. Understood. I don't much care either. But when asked about the difference between two equally capable rifles, it is one of the things that comes to the top of my head. |
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Quoted: What's the difference? The front sight is closer to the end of the barrel, so the gas tube is longer. This increases the distance between the sights, supposedly making it easier to shoot with iron sights and supposedly makes the carbine feel like it has less recoil. Personally I can't tell the difference. |
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m4gery is terrible looking Relative, but you're wrong, they look dead sexy shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet wrong, you indeed can Corrections in red Ick, the M4rgery is the down syndrome AR. Barrel sticking out farther beyond the FSB than it should.
And you have to have one of those ugly tard extender bayonets to seat on an M4rgery. Now if you're talking REAL M4, the barrel length is correct (so it can seat a normal M7 bayonet). It's M9 bayonet for the current flavor and yes...the M4rgery seats the bayonet fine. Who cares about bayonets on civilian rifles? No it doesn't. The military M4 does, but the M4rgery does not, without the tard extender. Yeah OK...my bayonet seats fine on my civilian version. Fits the same way as my issue M4 would if we ever pulled the bayonets out of whatever closet they are thankfully stored in. Then you have a 14.5 in barrel (NFA) and it's not a real M4rgery (16 in barrel). No. I have a 14.7" and a 16". Both fit fine. |
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m4gery is terrible looking Relative, but you're wrong, they look dead sexy shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet wrong, you indeed can Corrections in red Ick, the M4rgery is the down syndrome AR. Barrel sticking out farther beyond the FSB than it should.
And you have to have one of those ugly tard extender bayonets to seat on an M4rgery. Now if you're talking REAL M4, the barrel length is correct (so it can seat a normal M7 bayonet). It's M9 bayonet for the current flavor and yes...the M4rgery seats the bayonet fine. Who cares about bayonets on civilian rifles? No it doesn't. The military M4 does, but the M4rgery does not, without the tard extender. Yeah OK...my bayonet seats fine on my civilian version. Fits the same way as my issue M4 would if we ever pulled the bayonets out of whatever closet they are thankfully stored in. Then you have a 14.5 in barrel (NFA) and it's not a real M4rgery (16 in barrel). No. I have a 14.7" and a 16". Both fit fine. That's not possible. On the 16'' it rides half-way down the barrel and doesn't seat correctly.  LIKE THIS
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What's the difference? The front sight is closer to the end of the barrel, so the gas tube is longer. This increases the distance between the sights, supposedly making it easier to shoot with iron sights and supposedly makes the carbine feel like it has less recoil. Personally I can't tell the difference. It also slows down the gas system pressure spike, which can help a shitty gun which shouldn't work, work anyway. The better solution is a properly functioning rifle, of course. The sight radius thing is the only real advantage. And not enough of one for me to care. When the gun can reliably hit a man size target at 500yards with irons and M855, the sights are good enough. TR85. |
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True, unless you have a 10-12 inch rail that covers the gas block anyways, in which case the only real benefits are the slightly lower pressure that supposedly translates to longer parts life and possibly reduced recoil which is negligible to most shooters. Most people will probably never shoot enough to wear out their weapon with either gas system. The differences are small enough that you're not going to see me bashing one or the other. Besides how many millions of rounds have been fired out of standard 16'' carbines without a problem?
Of course I think both barrels are flawed using the goverment profiles. They should be lightweights. |
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m4gery is terrible looking Relative, but you're wrong, they look dead sexy shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet wrong, you indeed can Corrections in red Ick, the M4rgery is the down syndrome AR. Barrel sticking out farther beyond the FSB than it should.
And you have to have one of those ugly tard extender bayonets to seat on an M4rgery. Now if you're talking REAL M4, the barrel length is correct (so it can seat a normal M7 bayonet). It's M9 bayonet for the current flavor and yes...the M4rgery seats the bayonet fine. Who cares about bayonets on civilian rifles? No it doesn't. The military M4 does, but the M4rgery does not, without the tard extender. Yeah OK...my bayonet seats fine on my civilian version. Fits the same way as my issue M4 would if we ever pulled the bayonets out of whatever closet they are thankfully stored in. Then you have a 14.5 in barrel (NFA) and it's not a real M4rgery (16 in barrel). No. I have a 14.7" and a 16". Both fit fine. That's not possible. On the 16'' it rides half-way down the barrel and doesn't seat correctly. http://i.imgur.com/CE1kT.jpg LIKE THIS If it fits fine on the 16'' then you have a midlength and not an M4gery. Your verbage sucks. It still seats, meaning it fixes or goes on, it just doesnt fit right because of the barrel length. |
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Quoted: The gas tube is longer which reduces the pressure and is kinder on the gun and theoretically more reliable (not that it's really much of a problem)Quoted: What's the difference? The front sight is closer to the end of the barrel, so the gas tube is longer. This increases the distance between the sights, supposedly making it easier to shoot with iron sights and supposedly makes the carbine feel like it has less recoil. Personally I can't tell the difference. Personally I find mid-lengths to be more aesthetically pleasing and as your hand isn't cramped up on a 7" handguard, gives you more room for manouvre and flexibility, and also I feel makes the rifle handle better |
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The gas tube is longer which reduces the pressure and is kinder on the gun and theoretically more reliable (not that it's really much of a problem)
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What's the difference? The front sight is closer to the end of the barrel, so the gas tube is longer. This increases the distance between the sights, supposedly making it easier to shoot with iron sights and supposedly makes the carbine feel like it has less recoil. Personally I can't tell the difference. Personally I find mid-lengths to be more aesthetically pleasing and as your hand isn't cramped up on a 7" handguard, gives you more room for manouvre and flexibility, and also I feel makes the rifle handle better How the heck do you have access to M4s?
I have my rifle set up so I grip it consistently as far forward as possible. This hand placement seems to be about the perfect balance between leverage and stability. A middy offers me nothing in that regard. As for the pressure thing, a properly functioning gun works equally well with either system. A malfunctioning gun is more likely to soldier on in spite of a problem if it has a mid length system. I choose to have a rifle in good working order to start with. As for parts wear... That's why you clean, inspect and replace. Doesn't bother me enough to go with a logistically disadvantageous system. That said, I wouldn't cry if given a middy. TR85. |
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Quoted: How the heck do you have access to M4s? I have my rifle set up so I grip it consistently as far forward as possible. This hand placement seems to be about the perfect balance between leverage and stability. A middy offers me nothing in that regard. As for the pressure thing, a properly functioning gun works equally well with either system. A malfunctioning gun is more likely to soldier on in spite of a problem if it has a mid length system. I choose to have a rifle in good working order to start with. As for parts wear... That's why you clean, inspect and replace. Doesn't bother me enough to go with a logistically disadvantageous system. That said, I wouldn't cry if given a middy. TR85. Hey guess what...I have access to all types of things  |
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As noted it only looks ugly when in M4rgery version. The real military version has the right barrel length past FSB. All it takes to be able to use the correct barrel length is a slightly longer flash supressor being permanently attached. Funny how that 1 1/2 inch makes the rifle look a LOT shorter. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: m4gery is terrible looking Relative, but you're wrong, they look dead sexy shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet wrong, you indeed can Corrections in red Ick, the M4rgery is the down syndrome AR. Barrel sticking out farther beyond the FSB than it should. And you have to have one of those ugly tard extender bayonets to seat on an M4rgery. Now if you're talking REAL M4, the barrel length is correct (so it can seat a normal M7 bayonet). It's M9 bayonet for the current flavor and yes...the M4rgery seats the bayonet fine. Who cares about bayonets on civilian rifles? No it doesn't. The military M4 does, but the M4rgery does not, without the tard extender. Yeah OK...my bayonet seats fine on my civilian version. Fits the same way as my issue M4 would if we ever pulled the bayonets out of whatever closet they are thankfully stored in. Then you have a 14.5 in barrel (NFA) and it's not a real M4rgery (16 in barrel). The 16 in barrel M4geries don't seat one properly, the bayonet ring lays half-way down the barrel. Um, you do know that you can get a 14.5 in barrel without being NFA dont you? |
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Midlength barrels are softer shooting due to increased gas tube length. This also means less wear and tear on your weapon.
Slightly longer iron sight radius. (You guys really use iron sights that much? )
Longer handguard which equals more room for your hands and equipment. |
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Midlength barrels are softer shooting due to increased gas tube length. This also means less wear and tear on your weapon. Slightly longer iron sight radius. (You guys really use iron sights that much? )
Longer handguard which equals more room for your hands and equipment. I like my mid lengths . What's wrong with Iron Sights? They are the sight that is guaranteed to work
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m4gery is terrible looking Relative, but you're wrong, they look dead sexy shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet wrong, you indeed can Corrections in red Ick, the M4rgery is the down syndrome AR. Barrel sticking out farther beyond the FSB than it should.
And you have to have one of those ugly tard extender bayonets to seat on an M4rgery. Now if you're talking REAL M4, the barrel length is correct (so it can seat a normal M7 bayonet). I don't know about that, there are a lot of 14.5" barreled M4geries out there that seat an m9 or m7 bayo just fine. |
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Quoted: There you go, that's what I was saying Midlength barrels are softer shooting due to increased gas tube length. This also means less wear and tear on your weapon. Slightly longer iron sight radius. (You guys really use iron sights that much? )Longer handguard which equals more room for your hands and equipment.  |
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Midlength barrels are softer shooting due to increased gas tube length. This also means less wear and tear on your weapon. Slightly longer iron sight radius. (You guys really use iron sights that much? )
Longer handguard which equals more room for your hands and equipment. What's wrong with Iron Sights? They are the sight that is guaranteed to work I also like iron sights but the reality is that they only work as long as there is proper lighting and conditions that let use them properly. Also, if you are wearing certain types of gear or getting into unconventional firing positions that do not allow a proper cheek weld your ability to shoot quickly and accurately will be severely compromised. The iron sights also force you to switch your focus from the threat to the front sight which also cuts down your ability to be aware of what is going on around you. Personally, I don't believe any gun is complete without some type of iron sights but for my rifles and carbines the iron sights are strictly back-up sights to my red dot sights or magnified optics... Sorry for the hijack... 
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m4gery is terrible looking shorter sight radius can't seat bayonet Oh, crap, whatever will I do without being able to fix bayonets?
I think I'll get a middy, in good part because... it just looks better. The longer sight radius ought to help a little. I also heard that the carbine-length gas system was set up for the 14.5" barrel, and the middy is more appropriate to the 16" barrel. If I decide i Need an M4gery, I'll get the stamp and put an honest-to-God 14.5" barrel on it. |
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Quoted: ...If I decide i Need an M4gery, I'll get the stamp and put an honest-to-God 14.5" barrel on it. Your money, but you can get a .2" extended A2FH permanently fixed to a 14.5" barrel -or- a standard A2 permed to a 14.7" bbl and have practically the same thing without paying $200. 5mm isn't worth $200 to me, that's $40/mm  YMMV |