Posted: 12/25/2010 7:15:08 PM EDT
| what do yall think of it? How accurate can you get it?EDIT: the draganov copy is what i am talking about btw for those who didnt know. |
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i realize that but can you hit targets out to 800-1000 with it? I know its a Designated Marksman rifle not a sniper rifle, but is it accurate enough to actually be worth using it? If it cant hit shit at 600 then I am better off with the AR Ive shot mine out to 300 with success, Ive never tried to reach out any further. ETA: By success, I dont mean nice groups, I mean hits, on a body sized target. |
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i realize that but can you hit targets out to 800-1000 with it? I know its a Designated Marksman rifle not a sniper rifle, but is it accurate enough to actually be worth using it? If it cant hit shit at 600 then I am better off with the AR Ive shot mine out to 300 with success, Ive never tried to reach out any further. ETA: By success, I dont mean nice groups, I mean hits, on a body sized target. What type of groups were you getting? |
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what do yall think of it? How accurate can you get it?EDIT: the draganov copy is what i am talking about btw for those who didnt know. You mean the oversized AK that's chambered in 7.62x54R, it only resembles a Dragunov (SVD) rifle cosmetically. what type of differences are there? |
30-cal semi auto rifle with optic for under $600? Great value for what it is IMO (even though I paid $800  ).Best five-round group out of mine so far is 2.1 @ 100m with Czech surplus (147gr?), average is 3.0-3.5". The long skinny barrel heats up quickly though, and that'll open up to 5-6" with rapid fire during a magazine or two (vertical stringing). I've read not to shoot anything over 150gr, so as not to damage the gun. Scope is awkward for left-handed shooters but can be done. Lefties I've let shoot mine usually do better shooting right-handed. Sighting in is much easier if you use a solid rest. Some magazines will need to be fitted to the gun (quick work with a flat file). Recoil is very mild, about like a 7.62x39 AK. Very fun gun to shoot  |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: what do yall think of it? How accurate can you get it?EDIT: the draganov copy is what i am talking about btw for those who didnt know. You mean the oversized AK that's chambered in 7.62x54R, it only resembles a Dragunov (SVD) rifle cosmetically. what type of differences are there? Boatloads. The PSL is, as I said, an oversized Kalashnikov rifle. It's a long stroke piston operated rifle, the trigger mechanism is AK, etc. The SVD is a short stroke piston system, with a different fire control group entirely. They chamber the same round and look similar, but they're VERY different guns. I don't have a PSL to compare accuracy between the two, although I want to get one, at some point. More info: http://www.dragunov.net/ |
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Judging by the average accuracy I've heard reported , barrel whip is not an issue . The bullet is past the muzzle and unless you go full auto you probably won't know the diff.
ETA- mine is pretty consistant 2-2.5 MOA stock . It might do better with light ball if I ensure no wood in the bbl channel in the lower handguard is touching the bbl. I could add a RSA trigger . Make sure your scope is locked down or take it off. |
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Quoted: Well why are they so inaccurate.. are there changes that can be made to them ie floating the barrel, new trigger, different stock? It's basically an AK that shoots a full size rifle cartridge. It would take awhile to list all the reasons it's inaccurate. It's a good enough rifle to hit a man at 600meters. |
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Quoted: Well why are they so inaccurate.. are there changes that can be made to them ie floating the barrel, new trigger, different stock? Technology. Consider the timeframe when the rifle was designed and the fact that you're combining .30 caliber with semi-auto with magazine fed and scope. Toss "accuracy" into the equation and not many rifles in history have pulled this off for cheap. The H&K PSG-1, which actually was designed during the same timeframe as the PSL, has all the same characteristics but is a HELL of a lot more expensive. Even now, the KAC SR-25 is damn expensive because it has all the same features as the PSL, but is accurate. |
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Well why are they so inaccurate.. are there changes that can be made to them ie floating the barrel, new trigger, different stock? Technology. Consider the timeframe when the rifle was designed and the fact that you're combining .30 caliber with semi-auto with magazine fed and scope. Toss "accuracy" into the equation and not many rifles in history have pulled this off for cheap. The H&K PSG-1, which actually was designed during the same timeframe as the PSL, has all the same characteristics but is a HELL of a lot more expensive. Even now, the KAC SR-25 is damn expensive because it has all the same features as the PSL, but is accurate. OK well a M14 is a magazine fed, 7.62 , semi auto with a scope in some cases... whats the deal? IM not trying to be a dbag im trying to learn here hah. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well why are they so inaccurate.. are there changes that can be made to them ie floating the barrel, new trigger, different stock? Technology. Consider the timeframe when the rifle was designed and the fact that you're combining .30 caliber with semi-auto with magazine fed and scope. Toss "accuracy" into the equation and not many rifles in history have pulled this off for cheap. The H&K PSG-1, which actually was designed during the same timeframe as the PSL, has all the same characteristics but is a HELL of a lot more expensive. Even now, the KAC SR-25 is damn expensive because it has all the same features as the PSL, but is accurate. OK well a M14 is a magazine fed, 7.62 , semi auto with a scope in some cases... whats the deal? And they aren't cheap. To put it frankly, the PSL wasn't exactly designed to be a tack driver and the action has certain characteristics (loose tolerances) that make it difficult to eliminate variance between shots. You may look into the Dragunov SVD if you want an Eastern-bloc sniper-type rifle. (assuming you can find one) |
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Well why are they so inaccurate.. are there changes that can be made to them ie floating the barrel, new trigger, different stock? Technology. Consider the timeframe when the rifle was designed and the fact that you're combining .30 caliber with semi-auto with magazine fed and scope. Toss "accuracy" into the equation and not many rifles in history have pulled this off for cheap. The H&K PSG-1, which actually was designed during the same timeframe as the PSL, has all the same characteristics but is a HELL of a lot more expensive. Even now, the KAC SR-25 is damn expensive because it has all the same features as the PSL, but is accurate. OK well a M14 is a magazine fed, 7.62 , semi auto with a scope in some cases... whats the deal? IM not trying to be a dbag im trying to learn here hah. Older M14s usually took a good amount of work to be accurate. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Well why are they so inaccurate.. are there changes that can be made to them ie floating the barrel, new trigger, different stock? Technology. Consider the timeframe when the rifle was designed and the fact that you're combining .30 caliber with semi-auto with magazine fed and scope. Toss "accuracy" into the equation and not many rifles in history have pulled this off for cheap. The H&K PSG-1, which actually was designed during the same timeframe as the PSL, has all the same characteristics but is a HELL of a lot more expensive. Even now, the KAC SR-25 is damn expensive because it has all the same features as the PSL, but is accurate. Hmmm? you can make a sub-moa AR-10 with little difficulty and price. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well why are they so inaccurate.. are there changes that can be made to them ie floating the barrel, new trigger, different stock? Technology. Consider the timeframe when the rifle was designed and the fact that you're combining .30 caliber with semi-auto with magazine fed and scope. Toss "accuracy" into the equation and not many rifles in history have pulled this off for cheap. The H&K PSG-1, which actually was designed during the same timeframe as the PSL, has all the same characteristics but is a HELL of a lot more expensive. Even now, the KAC SR-25 is damn expensive because it has all the same features as the PSL, but is accurate. Hmmm? you can make a sub-moa AR-10 with little difficulty and price. I meant out-of-box-package and accuracy. What I am getting is that the OP doesn't understand why a sub $700 PSL is not a tack driver. While the PSL will be functional and can make hits out pretty far, its inherent cost excludes it from being a sub MOA rifle. So, yes, I am suggesting that accuracy costs more $$$ because you can only do so much to a stock barrel to make it accurate. |
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To the OP, or whoever else has one of these rifles, get the Red Star arms trigger.
I had pretty much lost interest in my PSL, then got that trigger and set it up in two stage and it totally changed that rifle for me. The original trigger was standard Russian garbage. Creepy, long, and didn't have a predictable let off point. It'd just go kind of when it felt like it. Now the trigger would give a match M1A trigger a run for its money. I can get a three inch ten round group at 100 meters as long as I do my part. |
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To the OP, or whoever else has one of these rifles, get the Red Star arms trigger. I had pretty much lost interest in my PSL, then got that trigger and set it up in two stage and it totally changed that rifle for me. The original trigger was standard Russian garbage. Creepy, long, and didn't have a predictable let off point. It'd just go kind of when it felt like it. Now the trigger would give a match M1A trigger a run for its money. I can get a three inch ten round group at 100 meters as long as I do my part. I have heard good things about them . I reccomended them also, as well as relieving the lower handguard bbl groove and just making sure your scope is locked down . To me that's as good as it can be for what it is. Ammo is still fairly cheap just not as cheap. 
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