[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Allah??? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/31/2010 5:40:13 PM EDT
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This is an honest question, & I'm looking for the same. Let's keep this civil....
Is Allah the same Almighty God of Christianity, the father of Christ? For the record, I am Catholic..... |
| I have given that some thought, But am not educated on Islam well enough to make a good call. But based on history and the difference in how most Christians require VOLUNTARY conversion and tolerance/pity of non- believers That is NOT an attribute I see as a shining example of Islam, their history is of conversion or death. Not exactly the God of Abraham, David, or the new testament as far asI can see.....So I will say my answer must be NO |
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"Allah" is the Arabic word for God. I'd imagine that it could refer to any God that someone would be refering to in Arabic.
The Muslim God is the same one that Christians and Jews worship. IIRC, Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet(but not The Prophet) and not the son of God. |
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"Allah" is the Arabic word for God. I'd imagine that it could refer to any God that someone would be refering to in Arabic. The Muslim God is the same one that Christians and Jews worship. IIRC, Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet(but not The Prophet) and not the son of God. It's the Arabic word for God now. It wasn't always a reference to a monotheistic deity. |
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Well, "allah" is a Modern Standard Arabic word. Translated into English it means "god".
I've actually done some pretty extensive research into this and I can tell you that the facts of History support an answer of yes. If anybody is interested in reading a short paper I wrote on the subject, the Bibliography from which would give you a great starting point, feel free to IM me your email address. ETA: clarified. |
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Muslims claim so, the god of the bastard child Ishmael. Muslims place Sabians (an ancient moon cult) on the same level as Christians and Jews. While I don't completely buy the position that Allah is derived from an ancient pagan moon god (Al-ilah), I am more apt to believe this than that he is the Christian and Judaic God. In the end its all up to you to decide, the world "Allah" simply means God in Arabic. |
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Yea sure, Christians are supposed to cut your head off with a rusty butter knife if you don't accept Jesus as your personal savior. You didn't take history 102 in college, did you? Quoted:
Muslims claim so, the god of the bastard child Ishmael.
Muslims place Sabians (an ancient moon cult) on the same level as Christians and Jews. While I don't completely buy the position that Allah is derived from an ancient pagan moon god (Al-ilah), I am more apt to believe this than that he is the Christian and Judaic God. In the end its all up to you to decide, the world "Allah" simply means God in Arabic. I once took an exam that consisted (among other things) of writing a short essay for any five of eight terms given. One of the terms was "Abraham". The last sentence was: The descendents of his illegitimate chattel children went on to blow up buildings, copulate with sheep, and be poor marksmen.
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Pretty sure Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same god but listen to different prophets One has to wonder why God (Yahweh, Jehovah, He who would remain nameless) would choose an illiterate, pedophilic, desert pirate to be a prophet, was it intended to be a warning or lesson to us all? |
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I am assuming that everyone answering "no" does not believe that Allah is not an actual deity. If you are Christian, there is only one God. If you are a Christian or a Jew, it is possible to say that Allah is the same deity as "God," but that Muslims worship him while accepting the words of false prophets as those of God. By admitting that Allah is the same deity, you are not in any way accepting other beliefs shared by Muslims. Trinity issues aside, this is no different than a Baptist claiming that Mormons worship a different God, when that is not really the case. It is also no different than a Jew saying that the Christians worship a different God. In both cases, an "extra" holy book has been added on top of the previous scripture. These books may or may not supersede the previous ones. Just because you do not believe that these extra holy books are divinely inspired does not mean that their followers do not worship the same entity. Just something to think about. In my opinion, it is ignorant and useless to claim that Allah is a separate deity, for a variety of reasons. For the record, I am a non-believer and I think that Muslims, Jews, and Christians (all sects) are directing their worship to the same non-existent deity. Quoted: Islam says yes. But as a Christian, I do not believe the God of the New Testament is the same God who orders death to anyone who converts away from Islam. (I come from a mostly Sufi family, so I understand Islam very well.) |
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"Allah" is the Arabic word for God. I'd imagine that it could refer to any God that someone would be refering to in Arabic. The Muslim God is the same one that Christians and Jews worship. IIRC, Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet(but not The Prophet) and not the son of God. |
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"Allah" is a standard Arabic word. Translated into English it means "God". I've actually done some pretty extensive research into this and I can tell you that the facts of History support an answer of yes. If anybody is interested in reading a short paper I wrote on the subject, the Bibliography from which would give you a great starting point, feel free to IM me your email address. Actually, you are incorrect. It currently is transliterated as "God," but it is a contraction of two words meaning "the god." It refers to the chief god of the pre-Islam Arabic polytheistic earth religion. It has since become a reference, primarily, to the God of the Koran (and, in Islamic teachings, the God of Abraham, generally). It has come to mean "god," generally, in most Arabic-speaking countries and areas. So any reference to a god would be to say "allah," even if not referring to the God of the Koran and the Bible. From a Christian theological perspective, the God of the Koran is not the same God of the Bible. |
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Pretty sure Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same god but listen to different prophets One has to wonder why God (Yahweh, Jehovah, He who would remain nameless) would choose an illiterate, pedophilic, desert pirate to be a prophet, was it intended to be a warning or lesson to us all? Prophets in general seem laughable to me. Guys like Jesus, Moses, and Muhammed are locked up in mental institutions nowadays instead of getting millions of followers. |
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I am assuming that everyone answering "no" does not believe that Allah is not an actual deity. If you are Christian, there is only one God. If you are a Christian or a Jew, it is possible to say that Allah is the same deity as "God," but that Muslims worship him while accepting the words of false prophets as those of God. By admitting that Allah is the same deity, you are not in any way accepting other beliefs shared by Muslims. Trinity issues aside, this is no different than a Baptist claiming that Mormons worship a different God, when that is not really the case. It is also no different than a Jew saying that the Christians worship a different God. In both cases, an "extra" holy book has been added on top of the previous scripture. These books may or may not supersede the previous ones. Just something to think about. In my opinion, it is ignorant and useless to claim that Allah is a separate deity, for a variety of reasons. For the record, I am a non-believer and I think that Muslims, Jews, and Christians (all sects) are directing their worship to the same non-existent deity. Quoted:
Islam says yes. But as a Christian, I do not believe the God of the New Testament is the same God who orders death to anyone who converts away from Islam. (I come from a mostly Sufi family, so I understand Islam very well.) OK, that's fine that you think that. I disagree with you. The Koran describes a completely different God than is described by the Bible. In fact, the Koran argues that much of what is claimed as being the word of God in the Bible is not the word of God. So which is it? |
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Pretty sure Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same god but listen to different prophets One has to wonder why God (Yahweh, Jehovah, He who would remain nameless) would choose an illiterate, pedophilic, desert pirate to be a prophet, was it intended to be a warning or lesson to us all? Prophets in general seem laughable to me. Guys like Jesus, Moses, and Muhammed are locked up in mental institutions nowadays instead of getting millions of followers. You can say a lot about Mohammad, but he managed to bring the Arabs together under one banner for the first time in recorded history and proceeded to conquer most of the known world (including one of the oldest empires in existence: the Persian Empire). |
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Muslims believe they are worshiping the same God, and that He gave them "new" instructions through the prophet Muhammad. You don't believe these new directives, because they are contradictory to the Holy Bible. Is it at all possible, in your beliefs, that they intend to worship the same God but were misled by false prophets, and that their holy book is not actually divinely inspired? I don't have a strong opinion on this, and I do believe that by their actions alone, Muslims can be categorized as a completely separate faith (regardless of whether or not they worship the same God). Quoted: Quoted: I am assuming that everyone answering "no" does not believe that Allah is not an actual deity. If you are Christian, there is only one God. If you are a Christian or a Jew, it is possible to say that Allah is the same deity as "God," but that Muslims worship him while accepting the words of false prophets as those of God. By admitting that Allah is the same deity, you are not in any way accepting other beliefs shared by Muslims. Trinity issues aside, this is no different than a Baptist claiming that Mormons worship a different God, when that is not really the case. It is also no different than a Jew saying that the Christians worship a different God. In both cases, an "extra" holy book has been added on top of the previous scripture. These books may or may not supersede the previous ones. Just something to think about. In my opinion, it is ignorant and useless to claim that Allah is a separate deity, for a variety of reasons. For the record, I am a non-believer and I think that Muslims, Jews, and Christians (all sects) are directing their worship to the same non-existent deity. Quoted: Islam says yes. But as a Christian, I do not believe the God of the New Testament is the same God who orders death to anyone who converts away from Islam. (I come from a mostly Sufi family, so I understand Islam very well.) OK, that's fine that you think that. I disagree with you. The Koran describes a completely different God than is described by the Bible. In fact, the Koran argues that much of what is claimed as being the word of God in the Bible is not the word of God. So which is it? |
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I am assuming that everyone answering "no" does not believe that Allah is not an actual deity. If you are Christian, there is only one God. If you are a Christian or a Jew, it is possible to say that Allah is the same deity as "God," but that Muslims worship him while accepting the words of false prophets as those of God. By admitting that Allah is the same deity, you are not in any way accepting other beliefs shared by Muslims. Trinity issues aside, this is no different than a Baptist claiming that Mormons worship a different God, when that is not really the case. It is also no different than a Jew saying that the Christians worship a different God. In both cases, an "extra" holy book has been added on top of the previous scripture. These books may or may not supersede the previous ones. Just something to think about. In my opinion, it is ignorant and useless to claim that Allah is a separate deity, for a variety of reasons. For the record, I am a non-believer and I think that Muslims, Jews, and Christians (all sects) are directing their worship to the same non-existent deity. Quoted:
Islam says yes. But as a Christian, I do not believe the God of the New Testament is the same God who orders death to anyone who converts away from Islam. (I come from a mostly Sufi family, so I understand Islam very well.) OK, that's fine that you think that. I disagree with you. The Koran describes a completely different God than is described by the Bible. In fact, the Koran argues that much of what is claimed as being the word of God in the Bible is not the word of God. So which is it? Whichever one you believe it is. If you are a Christian, you don't believe the same thing as Muslims and they don't believe in the same things as you. |
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Pretty sure Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same god but listen to different prophets One has to wonder why God (Yahweh, Jehovah, He who would remain nameless) would choose an illiterate, pedophilic, desert pirate to be a prophet, was it intended to be a warning or lesson to us all? Prophets in general seem laughable to me. Guys like Jesus, Moses, and Muhammed are locked up in mental institutions nowadays instead of getting millions of followers. You can say a lot about Mohammad, but he managed to bring the Arabs together under one banner for the first time in recorded history and proceeded to conquer most of the known world (including one of the oldest empires in existence: the Persian Empire). Pardon me but it does not seem to be that peaceful of a religion. The term conquer seems to be wedded to the religion. Sounds more like Thulsa Doom and a bunch of snake followers in a movie a couple decades ago. |
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Pretty sure Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same god but listen to different prophets One has to wonder why God (Yahweh, Jehovah, He who would remain nameless) would choose an illiterate, pedophilic, desert pirate to be a prophet, was it intended to be a warning or lesson to us all? Prophets in general seem laughable to me. Guys like Jesus, Moses, and Muhammed are locked up in mental institutions nowadays instead of getting millions of followers. You can say a lot about Mohammad, but he managed to bring the Arabs together under one banner for the first time in recorded history and proceeded to conquer most of the known world (including one of the oldest empires in existence: the Persian Empire). Is that kind of like the joke: "love him or hate him hitler killed alot of jews" ? ETA: please dont get bent out of shape over this post. just pointing out that success doesnt equal correctness or goodness |
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If you follow Islamic tradition, then yes Allah, God the Father, and Yehwah (people get the e and a reversed in non-pointed Hebrew) are the same.
The thing is, the Arabs were a poly-theistic culture before Muhammad, and Muhammad latched on to a mono-theistic sect of Arabs and worked their notion of "one god" in with the prevalent other mono-theistic religions. According to tradition, he became a vessel for Jibreal (Gabriel) who spoke through him to his followers, one of whom wrote the words down later. If this was the case, we can't expect the follower to have 100% recollection, just as we can't expect the Bible to be 100% as it was. So errors could have been made. |
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Pretty sure Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same god but listen to different prophets One has to wonder why God (Yahweh, Jehovah, He who would remain nameless) would choose an illiterate, pedophilic, desert pirate to be a prophet, was it intended to be a warning or lesson to us all? Prophets in general seem laughable to me. Guys like Jesus, Moses, and Muhammed are locked up in mental institutions nowadays instead of getting millions of followers. You can say a lot about Mohammad, but he managed to bring the Arabs together under one banner for the first time in recorded history and proceeded to conquer most of the known world (including one of the oldest empires in existence: the Persian Empire). Pardon me but it does not seem to be that peaceful of a religion. The term conquer seems to be wedded to the religion. Sounds more like Thulsa Doom and a bunch of snake followers in a movie a couple decades ago. I didn't call it peaceful. I simply noted that Mohammad was an amazing leader––I'm not a fan of his (I'm Persian), but I recognize a great military and political leader when I see one. |
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The Allah the Muslims worship is most definitely NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, Father of Jesus. They claim to worship the same God, but after reading parts of the Koran, and speaking with dozens of Muslims the god they worship is a creation of Mohammad, not the true God of Christianity. Any one who believes they are the same has not done enough research. The very basics of how their god works are completely at odds with our God.
I believe Mohammad based his made up god on the God of the Jews, but it is his creation. Nothing more. From the basic concept of free will (which they do not have) to their refusal to acknowledge the Holy Spirit, the god they serve is not the same God I serve. The differences can not be reconciled. I don't norm,ally respond to troll posts, but this is one of the few subjects I feel strong enough about to risk everything to proclaim the truth. Yes, I'm one of those Christian wingnuts. I see some who responded are using historical data to support that they are the same. The problem with that is you have to believe the Koran is true to accept they are worshiping our God. I am unable, as a Christian, especially having read most of it, to accept that it is true. As with all religion threads, it comes down to opinions and beliefs, I won't change any ones opinion, but at least your can't say you never heard any other ideas. |
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Muslims believe they are worshiping the same God, and that He gave them "new" instructions through the prophet Muhammad. You don't believe these new directives, because they are contradictory to the Holy Bible. Is it at all possible, in your beliefs, that they intend to worship the same God but were misled by false prophets, and that their holy book is not actually divinely inspired? I don't have a strong opinion on this, and I do believe that by their actions alone, Muslims can be categorized as a completely separate faith (regardless of whether or not they worship the same God). Quoted:
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I am assuming that everyone answering "no" does not believe that Allah is not an actual deity. If you are Christian, there is only one God. If you are a Christian or a Jew, it is possible to say that Allah is the same deity as "God," but that Muslims worship him while accepting the words of false prophets as those of God. By admitting that Allah is the same deity, you are not in any way accepting other beliefs shared by Muslims. Trinity issues aside, this is no different than a Baptist claiming that Mormons worship a different God, when that is not really the case. It is also no different than a Jew saying that the Christians worship a different God. In both cases, an "extra" holy book has been added on top of the previous scripture. These books may or may not supersede the previous ones. Just something to think about. In my opinion, it is ignorant and useless to claim that Allah is a separate deity, for a variety of reasons. For the record, I am a non-believer and I think that Muslims, Jews, and Christians (all sects) are directing their worship to the same non-existent deity. Quoted:
Islam says yes. But as a Christian, I do not believe the God of the New Testament is the same God who orders death to anyone who converts away from Islam. (I come from a mostly Sufi family, so I understand Islam very well.) OK, that's fine that you think that. I disagree with you. The Koran describes a completely different God than is described by the Bible. In fact, the Koran argues that much of what is claimed as being the word of God in the Bible is not the word of God. So which is it? I can't disagree with that Characterization. It really goes to personality of the deity. It's like Commander Adama in the original BSG versus the new BSG––played by different actors with different characterizations, but the same root character. |
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Pretty sure Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same god but listen to different prophets One has to wonder why God (Yahweh, Jehovah, He who would remain nameless) would choose an illiterate, pedophilic, desert pirate to be a prophet, was it intended to be a warning or lesson to us all? Prophets in general seem laughable to me. Guys like Jesus, Moses, and Muhammed are locked up in mental institutions nowadays instead of getting millions of followers. You can say a lot about Mohammad, but he managed to bring the Arabs together under one banner for the first time in recorded history and proceeded to conquer most of the known world (including one of the oldest empires in existence: the Persian Empire). Pardon me but it does not seem to be that peaceful of a religion. The term conquer seems to be wedded to the religion. Sounds more like Thulsa Doom and a bunch of snake followers in a movie a couple decades ago. I didn't call it peaceful. I simply noted that Mohammad was an amazing leader––I'm not a fan of his (I'm Persian), but I recognize a great military and political leader when I see one. Operative words, military and political leader. I for one can't see how that qualifies him to be a prophet. |
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Pretty sure Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same god but listen to different prophets One has to wonder why God (Yahweh, Jehovah, He who would remain nameless) would choose an illiterate, pedophilic, desert pirate to be a prophet, was it intended to be a warning or lesson to us all? Prophets in general seem laughable to me. Guys like Jesus, Moses, and Muhammed are locked up in mental institutions nowadays instead of getting millions of followers. You can say a lot about Mohammad, but he managed to bring the Arabs together under one banner for the first time in recorded history and proceeded to conquer most of the known world (including one of the oldest empires in existence: the Persian Empire). Is that kind of like the joke: "love him or hate him hitler killed alot of jews" ? ETA: please dont get bent out of shape over this post. just pointing out that success doesnt equal correctness or goodness Right, I agree. I was merely commenting as to his effectiveness as a leader. |
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I could quote the verses in the Q'ran and the bible, but i'l paraphrase. The bible says that Jesus Christ is the Son of God , and that there is no way to God but through him. Islam says that Allah has no son and that the Christians only worship a prophet and nothing more. So , one says that God has a Son and his name is Jesus , and the other says that God has no son , so they are 2 different Gods. |
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Pretty sure Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same god but listen to different prophets One has to wonder why God (Yahweh, Jehovah, He who would remain nameless) would choose an illiterate, pedophilic, desert pirate to be a prophet, was it intended to be a warning or lesson to us all? Prophets in general seem laughable to me. Guys like Jesus, Moses, and Muhammed are locked up in mental institutions nowadays instead of getting millions of followers. You can say a lot about Mohammad, but he managed to bring the Arabs together under one banner for the first time in recorded history and proceeded to conquer most of the known world (including one of the oldest empires in existence: the Persian Empire). Pardon me but it does not seem to be that peaceful of a religion. The term conquer seems to be wedded to the religion. Sounds more like Thulsa Doom and a bunch of snake followers in a movie a couple decades ago. I didn't call it peaceful. I simply noted that Mohammad was an amazing leader––I'm not a fan of his (I'm Persian), but I recognize a great military and political leader when I see one. Operative words, military and political leader. I for one can't see how that qualifies him to be a prophet. Well, I will say that God in the Bible took prophets from wherever He pleased. Paul wasn't a prophet, but remember what Paul was before God made him an Apostle of the Church. |
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"Allah" is a standard Arabic word. Translated into English it means "God". I've actually done some pretty extensive research into this and I can tell you that the facts of History support an answer of yes. If anybody is interested in reading a short paper I wrote on the subject, the Bibliography from which would give you a great starting point, feel free to IM me your email address. Actually, you are incorrect.really It currently is transliterated as "God,"okay, maybe I should have specified modern standard Arabic. but it is a contraction of two words meaning "the god." It refers to the chief god of the pre-Islam Arabic polytheistic earth religion. It has since become a reference, primarily, to the God of the Koran (and, in Islamic teachings, the God of Abraham, generally). It has come to mean "god," generally, in most Arabic-speaking countries and areas. right, right...no shit So any reference to a god would be to say "allah," even if not referring to the God of the Koran mmmmmmmhhhhhhmmmmmmm...and and the Biblezing, just like in english the word "god" is sometimes used for all sorts of other shit. From a Christian theological perspective, the God of the Koran is not the same God of the Bible. You literally just said I was incorrect and then told the long version of the exact same story I told the quick and dirty, skip straight to the end, cut the shit version of. From a Christian theological perspective, the earth is 6000 years old. |
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Jesus Christ, The Lord God himself, is NOT in any way shape or form the god muslims worship.
They 'claim' that their god 'allah' is the same to appear 'friends' with the Christians and Jews. It's so simple, why even debate it. The koran states allah has no son, that their is only 'one' Red flag right there Christianity, the Father, the Son, The Holy Spirit. Islam is a twisted religion that was ripped off from Christianity, tracing all the way back to Ishmael. It is backed by Satan GUARANTEED, want to know why? Anyway to stir believers away from God. Quoted:
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"Allah" is a standard Arabic word. Translated into English it means "God". I've actually done some pretty extensive research into this and I can tell you that the facts of History support an answer of yes. If anybody is interested in reading a short paper I wrote on the subject, the Bibliography from which would give you a great starting point, feel free to IM me your email address. Actually, you are incorrect.really It currently is transliterated as "God,"okay, maybe I should have specified modern standard Arabic. but it is a contraction of two words meaning "the god." It refers to the chief god of the pre-Islam Arabic polytheistic earth religion. It has since become a reference, primarily, to the God of the Koran (and, in Islamic teachings, the God of Abraham, generally). It has come to mean "god," generally, in most Arabic-speaking countries and areas. right, right...no shit So any reference to a god would be to say "allah," even if not referring to the God of the Koran mmmmmmmhhhhhhmmmmmmm...and and the Biblezing, just like in english the word "god" is sometimes used for all sorts of other shit. From a Christian theological perspective, the God of the Koran is not the same God of the Bible. You literally just said I was incorrect and then told the long version of the exact same story I told the quick and dirty, skip straight to the end, cut the shit version of. From a Christian theological perspective, the earth is 6000 years old. NOT ONCE does the Bible say the age of the earth, we can only speculate Everyone assumes when God created the world in 6 days that it was days in man's time, i.e 24hr days |
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Quoted: This is an honest question, & I'm looking for the same. Let's keep this civil.... Is Allah the same Almighty God of Christianity, the father of Christ? For the record, I am Catholic..... Muslims, and some others claim so. Some folks more familiar with early Islamic history suggest Allah was one of the many pagan gods the old Arabs followed. |