[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Alimony. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/5/2010 11:33:59 AM EDT
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I will go live in another country before I pay any woman alimony. I plan on never getting a divorce but I will NEVER pay alimony. My income is part of me. You don't get it unless you are my child or married to me END OF STORY. I can't fucking believe anyone thinks they are entitled to someone elses earnings after a marriage ends. I understand child support (i think it is way too much) but alimony is just plain wrong. |
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Quoted: I will go live in another country before I pay any woman alimony. I plan on never getting a divorce but I will NEVER pay alimony. My income is part of me. You don't get it unless you are my child or married to me END OF STORY. I can't fucking believe anyone thinks they are entitled to someone elses earnings after a marriage ends. I understand child support (i think it is way too much) but alimony is just plain wrong. There are many cases in which it is inappropriate, and many in which it is appropriate. I think it's over-ordered by courts around here. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I will go live in another country before I pay any woman alimony. I plan on never getting a divorce but I will NEVER pay alimony. My income is part of me. You don't get it unless you are my child or married to me END OF STORY. I can't fucking believe anyone thinks they are entitled to someone elses earnings after a marriage ends. I understand child support (i think it is way too much) but alimony is just plain wrong. There are many cases in which it is inappropriate, and many in which it is appropriate. I think it's over-ordered by courts around here. The only time i would find it even mildly appropriate is if the father did not want to keep the kids on weekdays so mom could work but even then child support more than covers the cost of daycare. |
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There are many cases in which it is inappropriate, and many in which it is appropriate. [/div] In today's world where women are equal, have just as much oppertunity as men, and can get along just fine on their own, there is no reason for alimony. Now if we are talking about the 1950s were women were kept in their homes by their husbands, not allowed to get an education or outside work experience, then sure the guy should pay for the situation he created. That's not the case today. |
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One year left for me, was five years at $1,600 a month. No kids, she had no work skills the state certainly didn't want to support her, so they tagged me. Almost over, I hope I don't die before it's done.
Yup, I even had to have life insurance to cover it if I croak. |
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Quoted: One year left for me, was five years at $1,600 a month. No kids, she had no work skills the state certainly didn't want to support her, so they tagged me. Almost over, I hope I don't die before it's done. Yup, I even had to have life insurance to cover it if I croak. man that makes me angry even though im not the one paying it. i would piss on the last payment . |
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I will go live in another country before I pay any woman alimony. I plan on never getting a divorce but I will NEVER pay alimony. My income is part of me. You don't get it unless you are my child or married to me END OF STORY.
I can't fucking believe anyone thinks they are entitled to someone elses earnings after a marriage ends. I understand child support (i think it is way too much) but alimony is just plain wrong. While I support and sympathize with your position, the likelihood of you NOT paying spousal support is strictly contingent upon your State's laws, and the judge who hears your case. I ducked SS because the ex troubled herself to become immediately impregnated by the boyfriend who "wasn't living with her". But then I paid about $260K in child support and attorneys' fees over the next fourteen years, so I'm not calling it a complete win, either. |
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Quoted: There are many cases in which it is inappropriate, and many in which it is appropriate. [/div] In today's world where women are equal, have just as much oppertunity as men, and can get along just fine on their own, there is no reason for alimony. Now if we are talking about the 1950s were women were kept in their homes by their husbands, not allowed to get an education or outside work experience, then sure the guy should pay for the situation he created. That's not the case today. There are many women who give up their careers at their husband's request, so that they can take care of things at home while the husband is at work. He asked for it, he got it. And sometimes it costs him. |
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There are many cases in which it is inappropriate, and many in which it is appropriate. [/div] In today's world where women are equal, have just as much oppertunity as men, and can get along just fine on their own, there is no reason for alimony. Now if we are talking about the 1950s were women were kept in their homes by their husbands, not allowed to get an education or outside work experience, then sure the guy should pay for the situation he created. That's not the case today. There are many women who give up their careers at their husband's request, so that they can take care of things at home while the husband is at work. He asked for it, he got it. And sometimes it costs him. my wife wanted to stay at home. lived together 10 years, married for 7. she is having trouble to find a job, i pay her a reasonable amount everymonth, for two years to give her time to get back on her feet. she has the kids and im ok with paying it. actually told to me by my lawyer she could have got a lot more. im still counting down the days though.... |
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Quoted: Quoted: There are many cases in which it is inappropriate, and many in which it is appropriate. [/div] In today's world where women are equal, have just as much oppertunity as men, and can get along just fine on their own, there is no reason for alimony. Now if we are talking about the 1950s were women were kept in their homes by their husbands, not allowed to get an education or outside work experience, then sure the guy should pay for the situation he created. That's not the case today. There are many women who give up their careers at their husband's request, so that they can take care of things at home while the husband is at work. He asked for it, he got it. And sometimes it costs him. Women aren't pressured or controlled by men today. Every woman is free to make her own decisions on life. What you are saying is if her husband requested something he suddenly becomes completely responsible for the outcome of whatever decision she makes? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Women are now responsible for their own lives and decisions...even if other people make requests of them. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There are many cases in which it is inappropriate, and many in which it is appropriate. [/div] In today's world where women are equal, have just as much oppertunity as men, and can get along just fine on their own, there is no reason for alimony. Now if we are talking about the 1950s were women were kept in their homes by their husbands, not allowed to get an education or outside work experience, then sure the guy should pay for the situation he created. That's not the case today. There are many women who give up their careers at their husband's request, so that they can take care of things at home while the husband is at work. He asked for it, he got it. And sometimes it costs him. Women aren't pressured or controlled by men today. Every woman is free to make her own decisions on life. What you are saying is if her husband requested something he suddenly becomes completely responsible for the outcome of whatever decision she makes? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Women are now responsible for their own lives and decisions...even if other people make requests of them. Actually it does work that way. Don't tell me it doesn't; I deal with it every day. Actions have consequences. If you want your wife to sacrifice her career to benefit yours, then you have might to deal with her not being able to support herself if there's a divorce. |
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Quoted: Quoted: There are many more women who just want to stay home....... and "take care of the kids" (even after they are in school) even if the husband wants them to work. Then they get bored and decide the grass is greener elsewhere or, this isn't how it works in fairy tales. And guess who is paying them the rest of their life because life didn't turn out like they expected it? Quoted: Quoted: There are many cases in which it is inappropriate, and many in which it is appropriate. [/div] In today's world where women are equal, have just as much oppertunity as men, and can get along just fine on their own, there is no reason for alimony. Now if we are talking about the 1950s were women were kept in their homes by their husbands, not allowed to get an education or outside work experience, then sure the guy should pay for the situation he created. That's not the case today. There are many women who give up their careers at their husband's request, so that they can take care of things at home while the husband is at work. He asked for it, he got it. And sometimes it costs him. Women aren't pressured or controlled by men today. Every woman is free to make her own decisions on life. What you are saying is if her husband requested something he suddenly becomes completely responsible for the outcome of whatever decision she makes? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Women are now responsible for their own lives and decisions...even if other people make requests of them. Actually it does work that way. Don't tell me it doesn't; I deal with it every day. Actions have consequences. If you want your wife to sacrifice her career to benefit yours, then you have might to deal with her not being able to support herself if there's a divorce. Life ain't Disney, and If you want out then get out. Not out with a steady paycheck. Total complete 100% bullshit. Men are fucked and they need to realize the deck is stacked against them no matter what. The fucking family courts in this country are the biggest mockery of justice in the world, all thanks to lawyers like you "trying to help", ie. make a shitload of money and could give a rats ass about equal justice.  |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There are many more women who just want to stay home....... and "take care of the kids" (even after they are in school) even if the husband wants them to work. Then they get bored and decide the grass is greener elsewhere or, this isn't how it works in fairy tales. And guess who is paying them the rest of their life because life didn't turn out like they expected it? Quoted: Quoted: There are many cases in which it is inappropriate, and many in which it is appropriate. [/div] In today's world where women are equal, have just as much oppertunity as men, and can get along just fine on their own, there is no reason for alimony. Now if we are talking about the 1950s were women were kept in their homes by their husbands, not allowed to get an education or outside work experience, then sure the guy should pay for the situation he created. That's not the case today. There are many women who give up their careers at their husband's request, so that they can take care of things at home while the husband is at work. He asked for it, he got it. And sometimes it costs him. Women aren't pressured or controlled by men today. Every woman is free to make her own decisions on life. What you are saying is if her husband requested something he suddenly becomes completely responsible for the outcome of whatever decision she makes? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Women are now responsible for their own lives and decisions...even if other people make requests of them. Actually it does work that way. Don't tell me it doesn't; I deal with it every day. Actions have consequences. If you want your wife to sacrifice her career to benefit yours, then you have might to deal with her not being able to support herself if there's a divorce. Life ain't Disney, and If you want out then get out. Not out with a steady paycheck. Total complete 100% bullshit. Men are fucked and they need to realize the deck is stacked against them no matter what. The fucking family courts in this country are the biggest mockery of justice in the world, all thanks to lawyers like you "trying to help", ie. make a shitload of money and could give a rats ass about equal justice. Both men and women are equally fucked by divorce and family courts. It's an equal opportunity system in that regard, trust me. Your post assumes that the woman wants out. What about the woman who is staying at home with kids, running the house, cooking dinner, doing laundry, etc, and the husband fucks around? I see that a lot. Of course, this is GD, so all men are noble and virtuous and all women are whores. I'm here to tell you that there are just as many bad men as there are women. I represent my clients - men and women - zealously and to the best of my ability. I do the best I can to reach fair and equitable settlements in all my cases. I don't push litigation and I don't create work for myself just for the billing hours. I'm busy enough as it is. |
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I thought this country was circling the drain because parents are too busy working for "stuff" rather than raising their children? Yet, if a woman (or a man) stays home to raise them they are supposed to somehow retain employability at the same time. The saying "cake and eat it too" comes to mind.
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Here is something to think about in the alimony vs. child support debate. Alimony is deductible for income taxes by the payor and is taxable income to the recipient. Thus, if you have to pay your ex-wife $10,000 per year, that $10,000 is taken off the top of the income you have to pay tax on, and she has to include an extra $10,000 in her income and pay tax on it for the year.
With child support, it is neither deductible by the payor nor taxable income to the recipient. Thus, if you instead pay $10,000 in child support to your ex-wife, you first have to earn enough money to have $10,000 left after taxes. For example, if you are in the 35% tax bracket, you would have to earn about $15,400, then pay $5,400 in income taxes, so you could then pay your ex-wife the net $10,000 in child support. She, on the other hand, does not have to pay tax at all on the child support she receives. Since money is fungible and most ex-wives do not have to account for how the money is spent, alimony or child support is essentially the same thing to the recipient (the only difference being that alimony is taxable income, while child support is not). For the payor, it looks to me like you get a better deal calling it alimony instead of child support for the tax benefits. JMHO. |
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Gays want equal rights.
We'll see how long that lasts when some gay lawyer making 180k marries a gay man working at a Starbucks making 28k. AND THEY ADOPTED A KID. Yeah, that will be fun! Or how about 2 Gay guys that marry and both are working at the same mid level job making 60k each AND they adopted a kid................how the fuck do you decide who gets what when one does not have a pussy?????????? 
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Quoted: Quoted: 1 No they are not, infact it's not even close. Women rule in family court and its well documented.Quoted: Quoted: There are many more women who just want to stay home....... and "take care of the kids" (even after they are in school) even if the husband wants them to work. Then they get bored and decide the grass is greener elsewhere or, this isn't how it works in fairy tales. And guess who is paying them the rest of their life because life didn't turn out like they expected it? Quoted: Quoted: There are many cases in which it is inappropriate, and many in which it is appropriate. [/div] In today's world where women are equal, have just as much oppertunity as men, and can get along just fine on their own, there is no reason for alimony. Now if we are talking about the 1950s were women were kept in their homes by their husbands, not allowed to get an education or outside work experience, then sure the guy should pay for the situation he created. That's not the case today. There are many women who give up their careers at their husband's request, so that they can take care of things at home while the husband is at work. He asked for it, he got it. And sometimes it costs him. Women aren't pressured or controlled by men today. Every woman is free to make her own decisions on life. What you are saying is if her husband requested something he suddenly becomes completely responsible for the outcome of whatever decision she makes? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Women are now responsible for their own lives and decisions...even if other people make requests of them. Actually it does work that way. Don't tell me it doesn't; I deal with it every day. Actions have consequences. If you want your wife to sacrifice her career to benefit yours, then you have might to deal with her not being able to support herself if there's a divorce. Life ain't Disney, and If you want out then get out. Not out with a steady paycheck. Total complete 100% bullshit. Men are fucked and they need to realize the deck is stacked against them no matter what. The fucking family courts in this country are the biggest mockery of justice in the world, all thanks to lawyers like you "trying to help", ie. make a shitload of money and could give a rats ass about equal justice. Both men and women are equally fucked by divorce and family courts. It's an equal opportunity system in that regard, trust me. Your post assumes that the woman wants out. What about the woman who is staying at home with kids, running the house, cooking dinner, doing laundry, etc, and the husband fucks around? I see that a lot. Of course, this is GD, so all men are noble and virtuous and all women are whores. I'm here to tell you that there are just as many bad men as there are women. I represent my clients - men and women - zealously and to the best of my ability. I do the best I can to reach fair and equitable settlements in all my cases. I don't push litigation and I don't create work for myself just for the billing hours. I'm busy enough as it is. 2 If she wants out then get the fuck out. What does that have to do with supporting someone the rest of their life? It doesn't matter who was wronged, but no one is entitled to a free ride because they were married at sometime. If the woman was doing all the domestic chores while the man was away working doesnt she owe the man all the missed time he was at work and could not see his kids because he was supporting his family? Oh no, It doesn't work that way, right? because women are special and they get special rules. Fuck, while she is a kid I'd hang out with my daughter all day and if it doesn't work out then I'll still get paid the rest of my life because i sacrificed my career. You call that fair, You call that justice? wtf man? 3. you are a lawyer and you disgust me (not a personal attack). Enough said. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Saying it's not a personal attack doesn't make it so. Damned sure sounds like one to me. Quoted: 1 No they are not, infact it's not even close. Women rule in family court and its well documented.Quoted: Quoted: There are many more women who just want to stay home....... and "take care of the kids" (even after they are in school) even if the husband wants them to work. Then they get bored and decide the grass is greener elsewhere or, this isn't how it works in fairy tales. And guess who is paying them the rest of their life because life didn't turn out like they expected it? Quoted: Quoted: There are many cases in which it is inappropriate, and many in which it is appropriate. [/div] In today's world where women are equal, have just as much oppertunity as men, and can get along just fine on their own, there is no reason for alimony. Now if we are talking about the 1950s were women were kept in their homes by their husbands, not allowed to get an education or outside work experience, then sure the guy should pay for the situation he created. That's not the case today. There are many women who give up their careers at their husband's request, so that they can take care of things at home while the husband is at work. He asked for it, he got it. And sometimes it costs him. Women aren't pressured or controlled by men today. Every woman is free to make her own decisions on life. What you are saying is if her husband requested something he suddenly becomes completely responsible for the outcome of whatever decision she makes? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Women are now responsible for their own lives and decisions...even if other people make requests of them. Actually it does work that way. Don't tell me it doesn't; I deal with it every day. Actions have consequences. If you want your wife to sacrifice her career to benefit yours, then you have might to deal with her not being able to support herself if there's a divorce. Life ain't Disney, and If you want out then get out. Not out with a steady paycheck. Total complete 100% bullshit. Men are fucked and they need to realize the deck is stacked against them no matter what. The fucking family courts in this country are the biggest mockery of justice in the world, all thanks to lawyers like you "trying to help", ie. make a shitload of money and could give a rats ass about equal justice. Both men and women are equally fucked by divorce and family courts. It's an equal opportunity system in that regard, trust me. Your post assumes that the woman wants out. What about the woman who is staying at home with kids, running the house, cooking dinner, doing laundry, etc, and the husband fucks around? I see that a lot. Of course, this is GD, so all men are noble and virtuous and all women are whores. I'm here to tell you that there are just as many bad men as there are women. I represent my clients - men and women - zealously and to the best of my ability. I do the best I can to reach fair and equitable settlements in all my cases. I don't push litigation and I don't create work for myself just for the billing hours. I'm busy enough as it is. 2 If she wants out then get the fuck out. What does that have to do with supporting someone the rest of their life? It doesn't matter who was wronged, but no one is entitled to a free ride because they were married at sometime. If the woman was doing all the domestic chores while the man was away working doesnt she owe the man all the missed time he was at work and could not see his kids because he was supporting his family? Oh no, It doesn't work that way, right? because women are special and they get special rules. Fuck, while she is a kid I'd hang out with my daughter all day and if it doesn't work out then I'll still get paid the rest of my life because i sacrificed my career. You call that fair, You call that justice? wtf man? 3. you are a lawyer and you disgust me (not a personal attack). Enough said. Women do not rule in the family courts, that's a myth perpetrated by (wait for it...) men. |
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Women do not rule in the family courts, that's a myth perpetrated by (wait for it...) men. SN, you know i have nothing but the utmost respect for you. and i know women can get screwed in family court. but family court put the woman before the man in 90% of the cases. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Women do not rule in the family courts, that's a myth perpetrated by (wait for it...) men. SN, you know i have nothing but the utmost respect for you. and i know women can get screwed in family court. but family court put the woman before the man in 90% of the cases. |
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Quoted: I will go live in another country before I pay any woman alimony. I plan on never getting a divorce but I will NEVER pay alimony. My income is part of me. You don't get it unless you are my child or married to me END OF STORY. I can't fucking believe anyone thinks they are entitled to someone elses earnings after a marriage ends. I understand child support (i think it is way too much) but alimony is just plain wrong. So if I have a child and stay home with the kids for 15 years, lose (for the sake of argument) 200k a year while my wife continues to work as an attorney (she's not) and continues to earn 200k+ a year it's fair that I have to start over again at 55 making 40k a year hussling traffic tickets and running around to night court while my wife makes 450k as a partner in a big law firm when she throws me out because I went bald? |
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Women do not rule in the family courts, that's a myth perpetrated by (wait for it...) men. SN, you know i have nothing but the utmost respect for you. and i know women can get screwed in family court. but family court put the woman before the man in 90% of the cases. possibly. but what i've seen from every man who has gotten a divorce, that i personally know, thats not the case. i don't wanna argue with you. i like you. and i'm celebrating my divorce by myself tonight. have a nice cold one with me. 
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Quoted: According to the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), nearlyQuoted: Quoted: Women do not rule in the family courts, that's a myth perpetrated by (wait for it...) men. SN, you know i have nothing but the utmost respect for you. and i know women can get screwed in family court. but family court put the woman before the man in 90% of the cases. 75 percent of all child custody awards are made to the mother. Only about 10 percent of child custody awards are made to fathers. The rest of the child custody awards involve some sort of joint custody arrangement. According to the Census Bureau, parents who owe child support are more likely to pay the ordered child support if they either share custody of or have visitation rights with their children. Recent Census Bureau child custody statistics also indicate that nearly 40 percent of all noncustodial fathers have no access to or visitation rights with their children. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I will go live in another country before I pay any woman alimony. I plan on never getting a divorce but I will NEVER pay alimony. My income is part of me. You don't get it unless you are my child or married to me END OF STORY. I can't fucking believe anyone thinks they are entitled to someone elses earnings after a marriage ends. I understand child support (i think it is way too much) but alimony is just plain wrong. So if I have a child and stay home with the kids for 15 years, lose (for the sake of argument) 200k a year while my wife continues to work as an attorney (she's not) and continues to earn 200k+ a year it's fair that I have to start over again at 55 making 40k a year hussling traffic tickets and running around to night court while my wife makes 450k as a partner in a big law firm when she throws me out because I went bald? Is it fair that you got to spend all that time with the kid while she brought home the bacon? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Women do not rule in the family courts, that's a myth perpetrated by (wait for it...) men. SN, you know i have nothing but the utmost respect for you. and i know women can get screwed in family court. but family court put the woman before the man in 90% of the cases. possibly. but what i've seen from every man who has gotten a divorce, that i personally know, thats not the case. i don't wanna argue with you. i like you. and i'm celebrating my divorce by myself tonight. have a nice cold one with me.   |
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Quoted: Quoted: According to the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), nearly75 percent of all child custody awards are made to the mother. Onlyabout 10 percent of child custody awards are made to fathers. The restof the child custody awards involve some sort of joint custodyarrangement. Quoted: Quoted: Women do not rule in the family courts, that's a myth perpetrated by (wait for it...) men. SN, you know i have nothing but the utmost respect for you. and i know women can get screwed in family court. but family court put the woman before the man in 90% of the cases. According to the Census Bureau,parents who owe child support are more likely to pay the ordered childsupport if they either share custody of or have visitation rights withtheir children. Recent Census Bureau child custody statisticsalso indicate that nearly 40 percent of all noncustodial fathers haveno access to or visitation rights with their children. That because only about 10% of fathers want full custody. |
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Women do not rule in the family courts, that's a myth perpetrated by (wait for it...) men. SN, you know i have nothing but the utmost respect for you. and i know women can get screwed in family court. but family court put the woman before the man in 90% of the cases. possibly. but what i've seen from every man who has gotten a divorce, that i personally know, thats not the case. i don't wanna argue with you. i like you. and i'm celebrating my divorce by myself tonight. have a nice cold one with me.
right back at ya babe. 
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Absolutely no reason in this day and age to support someone else who is not part of your family. 0 reason for this as women are equal, that's what they wanted that's what the should get. If they have custody of your children, you might want there to be financial resources to provide for them. I agreed to 2+ years longer than TX allows courts to grant support for that very reason (until my daughter graduated high school). No regrets about that decision at all. |
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Quoted: Quoted: i never said that. I have met one woman who pays support to a loser ex. Quoted: Quoted: There are many more women who just want to stay home....... and "take care of the kids" (even after they are in school) even if the husband wants them to work. Then they get bored and decide the grass is greener elsewhere or, this isn't how it works in fairy tales. And guess who is paying them the rest of their life because life didn't turn out like they expected it? Quoted: Quoted: There are many cases in which it is inappropriate, and many in which it is appropriate. [/div] In today's world where women are equal, have just as much oppertunity as men, and can get along just fine on their own, there is no reason for alimony. Now if we are talking about the 1950s were women were kept in their homes by their husbands, not allowed to get an education or outside work experience, then sure the guy should pay for the situation he created. That's not the case today. There are many women who give up their careers at their husband's request, so that they can take care of things at home while the husband is at work. He asked for it, he got it. And sometimes it costs him. Women aren't pressured or controlled by men today. Every woman is free to make her own decisions on life. What you are saying is if her husband requested something he suddenly becomes completely responsible for the outcome of whatever decision she makes? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Women are now responsible for their own lives and decisions...even if other people make requests of them. Actually it does work that way. Don't tell me it doesn't; I deal with it every day. Actions have consequences. If you want your wife to sacrifice her career to benefit yours, then you have might to deal with her not being able to support herself if there's a divorce. Life ain't Disney, and If you want out then get out. Not out with a steady paycheck. Total complete 100% bullshit. Men are fucked and they need to realize the deck is stacked against them no matter what. The fucking family courts in this country are the biggest mockery of justice in the world, all thanks to lawyers like you "trying to help", ie. make a shitload of money and could give a rats ass about equal justice. Both men and women are equally fucked by divorce and family courts. It's an equal opportunity system in that regard, trust me. Your post assumes that the woman wants out. What about the woman who is staying at home with kids, running the house, cooking dinner, doing laundry, etc, and the husband fucks around? I see that a lot. Of course, this is GD, so all men are noble and virtuous and all women are whores. I'm here to tell you that there are just as many bad men as there are women. I represent my clients - men and women - zealously and to the best of my ability. I do the best I can to reach fair and equitable settlements in all my cases. I don't push litigation and I don't create work for myself just for the billing hours. I'm busy enough as it is. I m just stating that everone is responsible for their own lives. Unless they are married or parents. Then they share burdens and responsibilities. When the marriage contract is broke nobody should be responsible for supporting the other person. End of story. Man or Woman. There is not a person alive that canot serve tables or work at a fucking McDonalsds and suport themselves just fine. Nobody owes an ex a standard of living. That is part of the marriage. It ends with the marriage. At least it should. Anything you built in the marriage should be equaly divided but future earnings belong to the individual. I will rot in jail before I pa alimony. I already have to support 50 million fucking deadbeats with my taxes . I draw the line in the fucking sand at being obligated to do any more than that. |
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Women do not rule in the family courts, that's a myth perpetrated by (wait for it...) men. SN, you know i have nothing but the utmost respect for you. and i know women can get screwed in family court. but family court put the woman before the man in 90% of the cases. According to the Census Bureau,parents who owe child support are more likely to pay the ordered childsupport if they either share custody of or have visitation rights withtheir children. Recent Census Bureau child custody statisticsalso indicate that nearly 40 percent of all noncustodial fathers haveno access to or visitation rights with their children. That because only about 10% of fathers want full custody. That's a bald-faced lie. |
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One year left for me, was five years at $1,600 a month. No kids, she had no work skills the state certainly didn't want to support her, so they tagged me. Almost over, I hope I don't die before it's done. Yup, I even had to have life insurance to cover it if I croak. man that makes me angry even though im not the one paying it. i would piss on the last payment . You want to get even angrier. I pay $12,000 a month and have to pay it for the rest of my life or until the ex get's remarried. Child supports another $3,000 a month on top of that. |
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Women do not rule in the family courts, that's a myth perpetrated by (wait for it...) men. SN, you know i have nothing but the utmost respect for you. and i know women can get screwed in family court. but family court put the woman before the man in 90% of the cases. Do you suppose, maybe, that he's full of shit? Or maybe that there are 49 other states he doesn't practice in, so, therefore, he's full of shit? What does a NY divorce lawyer know about divorce law in Missouri, Oklahoma, California, Texas, or anywhere else besides New York? |
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One year left for me, was five years at $1,600 a month. No kids, she had no work skills the state certainly didn't want to support her, so they tagged me. Almost over, I hope I don't die before it's done. Yup, I even had to have life insurance to cover it if I croak. man that makes me angry even though im not the one paying it. i would piss on the last payment . You want to get even angrier. I pay $12,000 a month and have to pay it for the rest of my life or until the ex get's remarried. Child supports another $3,000 a month on top of that. The really fucked up part about that is that you have women, some on this board apparently, who think that's just fine. I mean, she "sacrificed her career" for you, so you OWE her $12,000 a month until she dies, and that's fair in their eyes. I guess to a good swath of women in this country, as well as a lot of judges, men are just a welfare program, or an ATM. Bunch of thieves. |
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Women do not rule in the family courts, that's a myth perpetrated by (wait for it...) men. SN, you know i have nothing but the utmost respect for you. and i know women can get screwed in family court. but family court put the woman before the man in 90% of the cases. According to the Census Bureau,parents who owe child support are more likely to pay the ordered childsupport if they either share custody of or have visitation rights withtheir children. Recent Census Bureau child custody statisticsalso indicate that nearly 40 percent of all noncustodial fathers haveno access to or visitation rights with their children. That because only about 10% of fathers want full custody. 
cite your source. FTR, I know a ton of divorced fathers who wanted custody of their children. The judge told them to fuck off, in every case I know of but one –– and the spouse in that case was a certifiable lunatic, convicted felon, and habitual drug abuser. That's the only case I know of where the guy got custody. |
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Women do not rule in the family courts, that's a myth perpetrated by (wait for it...) men. SN, you know i have nothing but the utmost respect for you. and i know women can get screwed in family court. but family court put the woman before the man in 90% of the cases. According to the Census Bureau,parents who owe child support are more likely to pay the ordered childsupport if they either share custody of or have visitation rights withtheir children. Recent Census Bureau child custody statisticsalso indicate that nearly 40 percent of all noncustodial fathers haveno access to or visitation rights with their children. That because only about 10% of fathers want full custody. That's a bald-faced lie. You make this statement in every thread about divorce that comes up. First off, I'd like to see where you got this statistic. I'd also like to see what context you pulled it out of. My wife and I separated for a bit for a while back, and it never occurred to me to sue for full custody and deprive my kids of time with their mother needlessly. Our custody agreement was around 50/50. This is beside the fact that I wouldn't have gotten custody anyway, because without some real "dirt" on their mother, the judge will laugh you out of the courtroom. There was no reason to do that to my kids, nor would there be any financial gain for me to "go after" my wife, because she didn't have shit to give me anyway. See how that works? Women want full custody because they get paid, handsomely, when they get it. Men don't. So, unless there is some specific reason to make sure mom's time is limited with the kids, there is no reason to sue for full custody. It's harmful to the kids, and somebody has to be the adult and give a shit about the kids, right? You throw this statistic of yours out there like it's a fight settler, a trump card that wins all. What it is, is an out of context, likely outright false, number to justify the continual abuse of men in our family court system. |
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Women do not rule in the family courts, that's a myth perpetrated by (wait for it...) men. SN, you know i have nothing but the utmost respect for you. and i know women can get screwed in family court. but family court put the woman before the man in 90% of the cases. According to the Census Bureau,parents who owe child support are more likely to pay the ordered childsupport if they either share custody of or have visitation rights withtheir children. Recent Census Bureau child custody statisticsalso indicate that nearly 40 percent of all noncustodial fathers haveno access to or visitation rights with their children. That because only about 10% of fathers want full custody. That's a bald-faced lie. I did. Got it too. 
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Quoted: Because it is true, that most men do not want full custody of the children. No context, it's just a fact. They don't, period.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: According to the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), nearly75 percent of all child custody awards are made to the mother. Onlyabout 10 percent of child custody awards are made to fathers. The restof the child custody awards involve some sort of joint custodyarrangement. Quoted: Quoted: Women do not rule in the family courts, that's a myth perpetrated by (wait for it...) men. SN, you know i have nothing but the utmost respect for you. and i know women can get screwed in family court. but family court put the woman before the man in 90% of the cases. According to the Census Bureau,parents who owe child support are more likely to pay the ordered childsupport if they either share custody of or have visitation rights withtheir children. Recent Census Bureau child custody statisticsalso indicate that nearly 40 percent of all noncustodial fathers haveno access to or visitation rights with their children. That because only about 10% of fathers want full custody. That's a bald-faced lie. You make this statement in every thread about divorce that comes up. First off, I'd like to see where you got this statistic. I'd also like to see what context you pulled it out of. My wife and I separated for a bit for a while back, and it never occurred to me to sue for full custody and deprive my kids of time with their mother needlessly. Our custody agreement was around 50/50. This is beside the fact that I wouldn't have gotten custody anyway, because without some real "dirt" on their mother, the judge will laugh you out of the courtroom. There was no reason to do that to my kids, nor would there be any financial gain for me to "go after" my wife, because she didn't have shit to give me anyway. See how that works? Women want full custody because they get paid, handsomely, when they get it. Men don't. So, unless there is some specific reason to make sure mom's time is limited with the kids, there is no reason to sue for full custody. It's harmful to the kids, and somebody has to be the adult and give a shit about the kids, right? You throw this statistic of yours out there like it's a fight settler, a trump card that wins all. What it is, is an out of context, likely outright false, number to justify the continual abuse of men in our family court system. If most don't want it, most won't get it, which explains a great deal of whatever percentage of women who get it. |
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Women do not rule in the family courts, that's a myth perpetrated by (wait for it...) men. SN, you know i have nothing but the utmost respect for you. and i know women can get screwed in family court. but family court put the woman before the man in 90% of the cases. According to the Census Bureau,parents who owe child support are more likely to pay the ordered childsupport if they either share custody of or have visitation rights withtheir children. Recent Census Bureau child custody statisticsalso indicate that nearly 40 percent of all noncustodial fathers haveno access to or visitation rights with their children. That because only about 10% of fathers want full custody. That's a bald-faced lie. You make this statement in every thread about divorce that comes up. First off, I'd like to see where you got this statistic. I'd also like to see what context you pulled it out of. My wife and I separated for a bit for a while back, and it never occurred to me to sue for full custody and deprive my kids of time with their mother needlessly. Our custody agreement was around 50/50. This is beside the fact that I wouldn't have gotten custody anyway, because without some real "dirt" on their mother, the judge will laugh you out of the courtroom. There was no reason to do that to my kids, nor would there be any financial gain for me to "go after" my wife, because she didn't have shit to give me anyway. See how that works? Women want full custody because they get paid, handsomely, when they get it. Men don't. So, unless there is some specific reason to make sure mom's time is limited with the kids, there is no reason to sue for full custody. It's harmful to the kids, and somebody has to be the adult and give a shit about the kids, right? You throw this statistic of yours out there like it's a fight settler, a trump card that wins all. What it is, is an out of context, likely outright false, number to justify the continual abuse of men in our family court system. If most don't want it, most won't get it, which explains a great deal of whatever percentage of women who get it. So you say. I say you're wrong. See how that works? I can make up facts too! |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 1 No they are not, infact it's not even close. Women rule in family court and its well documented.Quoted: Quoted: There are many more women who just want to stay home....... and "take care of the kids" (even after they are in school) even if the husband wants them to work. Then they get bored and decide the grass is greener elsewhere or, this isn't how it works in fairy tales. And guess who is paying them the rest of their life because life didn't turn out like they expected it? Quoted: Quoted: There are many cases in which it is inappropriate, and many in which it is appropriate. [/div] In today's world where women are equal, have just as much oppertunity as men, and can get along just fine on their own, there is no reason for alimony. Now if we are talking about the 1950s were women were kept in their homes by their husbands, not allowed to get an education or outside work experience, then sure the guy should pay for the situation he created. That's not the case today. There are many women who give up their careers at their husband's request, so that they can take care of things at home while the husband is at work. He asked for it, he got it. And sometimes it costs him. Women aren't pressured or controlled by men today. Every woman is free to make her own decisions on life. What you are saying is if her husband requested something he suddenly becomes completely responsible for the outcome of whatever decision she makes? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Women are now responsible for their own lives and decisions...even if other people make requests of them. Actually it does work that way. Don't tell me it doesn't; I deal with it every day. Actions have consequences. If you want your wife to sacrifice her career to benefit yours, then you have might to deal with her not being able to support herself if there's a divorce. Life ain't Disney, and If you want out then get out. Not out with a steady paycheck. Total complete 100% bullshit. Men are fucked and they need to realize the deck is stacked against them no matter what. The fucking family courts in this country are the biggest mockery of justice in the world, all thanks to lawyers like you "trying to help", ie. make a shitload of money and could give a rats ass about equal justice. Both men and women are equally fucked by divorce and family courts. It's an equal opportunity system in that regard, trust me. Your post assumes that the woman wants out. What about the woman who is staying at home with kids, running the house, cooking dinner, doing laundry, etc, and the husband fucks around? I see that a lot. Of course, this is GD, so all men are noble and virtuous and all women are whores. I'm here to tell you that there are just as many bad men as there are women. I represent my clients - men and women - zealously and to the best of my ability. I do the best I can to reach fair and equitable settlements in all my cases. I don't push litigation and I don't create work for myself just for the billing hours. I'm busy enough as it is. 2 If she wants out then get the fuck out. What does that have to do with supporting someone the rest of their life? It doesn't matter who was wronged, but no one is entitled to a free ride because they were married at sometime. If the woman was doing all the domestic chores while the man was away working doesnt she owe the man all the missed time he was at work and could not see his kids because he was supporting his family? Oh no, It doesn't work that way, right? because women are special and they get special rules. Fuck, while she is a kid I'd hang out with my daughter all day and if it doesn't work out then I'll still get paid the rest of my life because i sacrificed my career. You call that fair, You call that justice? wtf man? 3. you are a lawyer and you disgust me (not a personal attack). Enough said. I work in the family court system every day. I know more about the subject than you do. And I don't give a shit what you think about me. I do think it's laughable that you believe you can make a personal attack and then try to claim that it wasn't one. |
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