[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Mini-14, Why the hate? (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 8/1/2010 3:56:30 PM EDT
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I had one about 20 years ago,
as I recall it was a good shooter. Why all the dislike for them here? Thank you |
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I had one about 20 years ago, as I recall it was a good shooter. Why all the dislike for them here? Thank you 3 to 4 inch groups at 100 yards, and the lack of high cap factory mags until lately. Also, Bill Ruger was a supporter of 10 round mags. Ahhhhhhh, I live in NY, so I get enjoy that. |
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I had one about 20 years ago, as I recall it was a good shooter. Why all the dislike for them here? Thank you 3 to 4 inch groups at 100 yards, and the lack of high cap factory mags until lately. Also, Bill Ruger was a supporter of 10 round mags. He's dead and his company makes a AR that includes PMAG's and CCW ready firearms, I'd say his disgrace has been atoned for. |
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So much potential, so much craptastic execution. This. Lousy sights, cast reciever, notorious for "stringing" and the MSRP on the current "GB" rifle is $921, with a 1:9 twist barrel. I think with a little work, the Mini-14 could be a nice little rifle - but not at that price point.* *In fairness, that same rifle is listed on Impact Guns for $699.99 |
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Everything is true, not very accurate, not that sturdy, I believe the Philippines evaluated it for general issued, but it had durability issues. I still have my Mini-14 with after market mags, but it was a lot cheaper than ARs.
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I had one about 20 years ago, as I recall it was a good shooter. Why all the dislike for them here? Thank you 3 to 4 inch groups at 100 yards, and the lack of high cap factory mags until lately. Also, Bill Ruger was a supporter of 10 round mags. Bill Ruger before he died did say that he made a mistake with all of that gun control stuff. Today, his company made up for all of its early failings. |
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We use them in the Dept. of Correction here and qualify with them yearly. Sometimes you can hit a man sized target accurately at 50 to 100 yards, sometimes not. Wherever it decides to group, the group WILL be the size of a small dinette table. Check out some of the super slo-mo video of them being fired for the craptastic barrel harmonics displaying themselves, wiggling like a gummy worm in a wind tunnel.
Ive heard of some people having good ones that display reasonable accuracy, but I've never handled one that could justify the price. |
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MOA sucks.
Rapid fire tends to make a group look like a shotgun pattern. Or go up and right stringing as mine did. That was with just 2mags Company rider went retard in selling out gun owners. Mags are crap and expensive. A parts kit AR can outshoot the mini 14 anyday of the week, and cheaper. |
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The Mini-14 could have been and still could be a great little rifle. That's IF Ruger could make it like the M14. Something about the thin barrel and gas system seems to make one of the most notoriously inaccurate rifles still made. If a NATO M14 or M1A can do decently well at 100 yds with cheap NATO surplus ball, why can't the Mini-14 do the same with handloads? When Ruger modeled the Mini off the M14, one of the design characteristics they changed is the cause. Whether its piss poor QC on barrels, poor barrel design, poor gas block design, or something else.
They could be a great little rifle and maybe worth the price if they just weren't so damn inaccurate. |
| I bought a SS Ranch for $650.00 in 1999. Another $600.00 for a Shilen barrel with a straight taper out to .750 an over sized gas block and op rod. It shoot almost as good as my PCR16 that i bought in 2003 for $715.00 out the door.. I like the feel of the Mini14 but hate the fact that it cost and ungodly amount to get them to shoot well.. |
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Beside the fact that they're typically much less accurate than the average AR15, traditionally the lack of available inexpensive reliable high cap magazines has always been it's biggest downfall. Up until very recently when Ruger started selling the factory 20 and 30 round magazines to anyone, a Mini 14 and 6 reliable magazines actually usually cost more than the an AR15.
I've had several, and for $350, they're not bad for what they are. (especially with a folding stock) At current pricing, I'd just buy an AR15. |
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Because 99% of the posters here are in lock-step with the "AR's COOL, Mini-14 Baaad" (Bleat it like a sheep for effect.)
I have 3 AR's and a Mini-14 GB. Only one of them is sniper quality (and it ain't the mini, either) but the hate comes from ignorance, period. |
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I had one about 20 years ago, as I recall it was a good shooter. Why all the dislike for them here? Thank you 3 to 4 inch groups at 100 yards, and the lack of high cap factory mags until lately. Also, Bill Ruger was a supporter of 10 round mags. Mine does better than that. Bill Ruger is dead. He made a mistake. He tried the rest of his life to atone. I don't see Glock trying to atone for their involvement with BATFE on BF. S&W has yet to go to court to get the HUD agreement vacated. |
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So much potential, so much craptastic execution. This. Lousy sights, cast reciever, notorious for "stringing" and the MSRP on the current "GB" rifle is $921, with a 1:9 twist barrel. I think with a little work, the Mini-14 could be a nice little rifle - but not at that price point.* *In fairness, that same rifle is listed on Impact Guns for $699.99 The M1A has a cast reciever, why no hate for it? Seems I recall that Ruger either makes or made M1A recievers. |
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To all those saying how inaccurate they are, have you shot one of the new ones? With the thicker barrel and improved rear site, it is a lot more accurate, consistantly than the older ones. My brother in law just got one on my advice, he paid $585 for it. It shoots 3 to 4" groups at 100 yards with ball ammo and open sites, similar to an AR with the same set up. When the barrel heats up, POI does not change, no verticle stringing either. The only improvements I would like to see is for it come from the factory with a threaded barrel for a flash suppressor, other than that a great rifle.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So much potential, so much craptastic execution. This. Lousy sights, cast reciever, notorious for "stringing" and the MSRP on the current "GB" rifle is $921, with a 1:9 twist barrel. I think with a little work, the Mini-14 could be a nice little rifle - but not at that price point.* *In fairness, that same rifle is listed on Impact Guns for $699.99 The M1A has a cast reciever, why no hate for it? Seems I recall that Ruger either makes or made M1A recievers. Because M1A's can shoot nice little groups , look a hell of a lot better, and are sexy as hell |
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So much potential, so much craptastic execution. This. Lousy sights, cast reciever, notorious for "stringing" and the MSRP on the current "GB" rifle is $921, with a 1:9 twist barrel. I think with a little work, the Mini-14 could be a nice little rifle - but not at that price point.* *In fairness, that same rifle is listed on Impact Guns for $699.99 The M1A has a cast reciever, why no hate for it? Seems I recall that Ruger either makes or made M1A recievers. Because M1A's can shoot nice little groups , look a hell of a lot better, and are sexy as hell I dont think that has anything to do with the receiver. IMO the biggest failing of the mini has been the barrels they put on them. That has been improved. |
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I had one about 20 years ago, as I recall it was a good shooter. Why all the dislike for them here? Thank you because it isn't a 1200+ rifle, lots of gun snobs on arfcom that probably never have fired one, and hardly ever fire from the $5K+ collection they have collecting dust in the safe... that being said, the $650+ pricetag on the mini 14 is a little steep for what the rifle is, a less accurate/reliable ergonomically inferior plinker, when you can get a cheap AR put together from parts for 700 bucks...If the rifle cost around 3 or 4 hundred, it would be an excellent cheap truck gun or plinker, but for the money, I'd rather skip out on it and have a lever action or a fudd gun for that role.. my 2 cents. |
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ARs are better in every conceivable way and cheaper. Yep. You want rusty Liberia AK accuracy with Colt AR15 price? The Mini-14 (or 30) is the gun for you. Ruger should stick to wheelguns. dang where have I been? I thought wally world sold them for like 650ish? 
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Quoted: Quoted: Bill Ruger M.O.B Accuracy  Its actually minute of wolf (M.O.W.) This should cause some aneurysms http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a283/53peach/blackwolfmini14.jpg It's a big wolf. If it was a squirrel you'd be onto something. I've tried to shoot squirrels at distance with a mini, it's frustrating at best. |
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I had one about 20 years ago, as I recall it was a good shooter. Why all the dislike for them here? Thank you because it isn't a 1200+ rifle, lots of gun snobs on arfcom that probably never have fired one, and hardly ever fire from the $5K+ collection they have collecting dust in the safe... that being said, the $650+ pricetag on the mini 14 is a little steep for what the rifle is, a less accurate/reliable ergonomically inferior plinker, when you can get a cheap AR put together from parts for 700 bucks...If the rifle cost around 3 or 4 hundred, it would be an excellent cheap truck gun or plinker, but for the money, I'd rather skip out on it and have a lever action or a fudd gun for that role.. my 2 cents. QFT - The price of AR's makes this rifle irrelevant; however, if Larry Vickers or Pat Rogers loved the Mini, there'd be a lot of cum stained Rugers out there. I think if Ruger could price them at $400.00 they'd be about right. But why not get an AR? |