Posted: 6/7/2010 5:07:13 AM EDT
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I'm a security officer. I've only been working at this job for about two months, and I was hired on as a supervisor due to some very minimal experience as a supervisor at a previous job. Well, at the site I work at I generally have two people in the garage and two in the lobby, and me in my hole watching monitors. A homeless guy is sweet on one of my garage officers and has been harassing her for about two weeks. It started with him going across the street from the park he inhabits to tell her that he wants to "beat it like Micheal Jackson." It progresses to him loitering drunk on the site strictly during her patrols. Two days ago, it progressed to him finding a convenient place for him to stand/sit during the other officer's patrols and masturbate where she can't help but see him. The previous two times he's done this, it was with another supervisor on the shift. Both times the supervisor was male and told her, "It's not on our site, just don't look at him." Keep in mind, she has no choice but to look out of the garage if she is to do her job properly. Tonight he does it during my shift, and I naturally call the cops. The guy got picked up on a minor warrant, but the cops won't accept her statement and arrest him for indecent exposure because they didn't see it.
My question: How the fuck could a man let some guy do that to a woman and not AT THE VERY LEAST call the cops. I wanted to go and beat the shit out of the fucker, but was stopped from doing so by not being able to get someone to sit in my post long enough. WTF? |
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Cops arrest people all the time for stuff they didn't personally witness. How on earth would this case be any different? Depends on the state and the crime. In Florida, generally, LEO's cannot arrest for a misdemeanor crime that is not committed in their presence. |
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Cops arrest people all the time for stuff they didn't personally witness. How on earth would this case be any different? Depends on the state and the crime. In Florida, generally, LEO's cannot arrest for a misdemeanor crime that is not committed in their presence. This was in St. Louis..... you can get arrested for looking funny. They didn't take a report from her, and she was kinda pissed that they refused to take one. I was more wondering what could have possibly be going through the heads of the other two supervisors. Both of them generally seem like good guys. I work with them a lot. I just don't know how they could NOT call the cops at the very least. |
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Cops arrest people all the time for stuff they didn't personally witness. How on earth would this case be any different? Depends on the state and the crime. In Florida, generally, LEO's cannot arrest for a misdemeanor crime that is not committed in their presence. This was in St. Louis..... you can get arrested for looking funny. They didn't take a report from her, and she was kinda pissed that they refused to take one. That's just the cops being lazy then and getting out of paperwork. Sad to say, but it happens sometimes. You should have pushed the point at the time and made them write up an incident report on it. Bring a video camera to work, wait for the guy to try it again, and get it on tape. Or have every security officer on duty come over and observe it next time it happens. Hard to argue with multiple corroborating witnesses. |
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Cops arrest people all the time for stuff they didn't personally witness. How on earth would this case be any different? Depends on the state and the crime. In Florida, generally, LEO's cannot arrest for a misdemeanor crime that is not committed in their presence. This was in St. Louis..... you can get arrested for looking funny. They didn't take a report from her, and she was kinda pissed that they refused to take one. I was more wondering what could have possibly be going through the heads of the other two supervisors. Both of them generally seem like good guys. I work with them a lot. I just don't know how they could NOT call the cops at the very least. City or County? |
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Cops arrest people all the time for stuff they didn't personally witness. How on earth would this case be any different? Depends on the state and the crime. In Florida, generally, LEO's cannot arrest for a misdemeanor crime that is not committed in their presence. This was in St. Louis..... you can get arrested for looking funny. They didn't take a report from her, and she was kinda pissed that they refused to take one. I was more wondering what could have possibly be going through the heads of the other two supervisors. Both of them generally seem like good guys. I work with them a lot. I just don't know how they could NOT call the cops at the very least. City or County? City, downtown. |
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paintball gun............ We aren't allowed any weapons at all on this site.  The homeless man is doing this off site right ? so out there you could have a paintball gun .... just saying .  I would personally like to tell her that if she wants to beat the shit out of him, I'll make sure there's no tape. I couldn't say that, and feel right about it, so I guess all I can do is just keep an eye out for her. |
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You know how you are new? You are learning how things work. The cops don't want to handcuff stinky homeless man for just stroking his meat. That would mean he gets their car smelly, they have to touch him to seach him, then sit with him for an hour at the jail.
Plus, now they are a little pissed at you guys and when one of your staffers has to punch someone they may not help you steer the statement correctly. Homeless also means within a year he will be dead or in jail or in a new city. The problem is most likely self correcting within the year. So next time I expect you are going to allow mr homeless to pound one out and move on. |
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Cops arrest people all the time for stuff they didn't personally witness. How on earth would this case be any different? Depends on the state and the crime. In Florida, generally, LEO's cannot arrest for a misdemeanor crime that is not committed in their presence. How is it then that they can kick doors in on an anonymous tip? |
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You know how you are new? You are learning how things work. The cops don't want to handcuff stinky homeless man for just stroking his meat. That would mean he gets their car smelly, they have to touch him to seach him, then sit with him for an hour at the jail. Plus, now they are a little pissed at you guys and when one of your staffers has to punch someone they may not help you steer the statement correctly. Homeless also means within a year he will be dead or in jail or in a new city. The problem is most likely self correcting within the year. So next time I expect you are going to allow mr homeless to pound one out and move on. They did, in fact, arrest him. He had a warrant out on him. They were both gloved up. I don't blame them on that end. I don't even care it Mr. Homeless wants to pound one out in the park. I DO care if he harasses one of my officers. No one on that site makes enough to make watching live-action homeless porn worth it. I know I don't and she makes less than me. |
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Cops arrest people all the time for stuff they didn't personally witness. How on earth would this case be any different? Depends on the state and the crime. In Florida, generally, LEO's cannot arrest for a misdemeanor crime that is not committed in their presence. How is it then that they can kick doors in on an anonymous tip? That's really a topic for another time, but the short answer is because they have gone through the necessary steps to obtain a court-ordered search warrant, as required by due process. |
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On your day off, dress in a disguise. Walk buy him and mace the sh!t out of him. Quitely tell him to keep it in his pants, smile and keep walking. That's how they do it in New Jersey.  Also not a bad idea. The park is always on tape though, and the cops get there in 3 minutes flat of a phone call. I would be screwed. |
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Do you have tilt/pan/zoom cameras that can view the area where he likes to play his games? Camera > DVR > DVD > detective FTW. BTDT. Good cameras, but I can't record through cars. That's what he does, sits between parked cars on the curb so only she can see him. |
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Cops arrest people all the time for stuff they didn't personally witness. How on earth would this case be any different? Depends on the state and the crime. In Florida, generally, LEO's cannot arrest for a misdemeanor crime that is not committed in their presence. This was in St. Louis..... you can get arrested for looking funny. They didn't take a report from her, and she was kinda pissed that they refused to take one. I was more wondering what could have possibly be going through the heads of the other two supervisors. Both of them generally seem like good guys. I work with them a lot. I just don't know how they could NOT call the cops at the very least. Maybe they already knew that was the result they would get, and didn't bother to explain it to her. |
| This is a situation that would outrage me too. I'm big on not disrespecting women like that, because if it was my woman someone disrespected like that I'd end up fucking that guy up. But you know the how the cameras are set up there and the usual flow of things. I'm sure you get could someone to wear a mask, mace the shit out of him when he's got it out (eyes and crotch). Hell you could probably even give another hobo a sandwich or a 40 to do it. There's ways to work it out. |
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Cops arrest people all the time for stuff they didn't personally witness. How on earth would this case be any different? Depends on the state and the crime. In Florida, generally, LEO's cannot arrest for a misdemeanor crime that is not committed in their presence. This was in St. Louis..... you can get arrested for looking funny. They didn't take a report from her, and she was kinda pissed that they refused to take one. I was more wondering what could have possibly be going through the heads of the other two supervisors. Both of them generally seem like good guys. I work with them a lot. I just don't know how they could NOT call the cops at the very least. Maybe they already knew that was the result they would get, and didn't bother to explain it to her. Possibly. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with the world any more. Security that doesn't secure shit, and all that. |
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Good cameras, but I can't record through cars. That's what he does, sits between parked cars on the curb so only she can see him. Gotcha. Do you guys ordinarily have good relationship with the police in your area? Have you made any efforts to cultivate them at all? That goes a long way toward cooperation and some needed rhythm when called for. In a past job I did some estate security, and we made it known to the sector officers on all shifts that we always had coffee and usually had some food available around the clock, as well as a very clean rest room. I know an office or industrial complex can't quite provide the same opportunities as an estate, but this might be a good impetus to get something started. It pays off, believe me. |
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Good cameras, but I can't record through cars. That's what he does, sits between parked cars on the curb so only she can see him. Gotcha. Do you guys ordinarily have good relationship with the police in your area? Have you made any efforts to cultivate them at all? That goes a long way toward cooperation and some needed rhythm when called for. In a past job I did some estate security, and we made it known to the sector officers on all shifts that we always had coffee and usually had some food available around the clock, as well as a very clean rest room. I know an office or industrial complex can't quite provide the same opportunities as an estate, but this might be a good impetus to get something started. It pays off, believe me. I am former St Louis officer and the PD tends to treat most security like crap around here. The OP can confirm this, but I think it is mainly due to the applicant pool the security firms have to hire from. There are exceptions. I was good friends with most of the regular security guys that worked the same area as me. They were squared away and we helped each other out quite a bit. |