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5/25/2010 3:46:02 PM EDT
Sneaky bastages, now they have a new money getting scheme. They don't even want to talk to the man of the house, they immediately ask for the woman. Guess they figure they are easier marks to pull money from. Told the caller he struck out as there IS no lady of the house and I don't donate to ANY cold callers no matter who they may be. Told him to piss off and hung up on him.

Yeah yeah, I know the FOP hires some third party and IMHO, I have even less use for any entity that does that.

Bleh, must be the season, just got ANOTHER cold "gimme money" call.

Unlisted number so they are just running the numbers.
5/25/2010 3:47:28 PM EDT
[#1]
All of those police and fireman charity calls are scams
5/25/2010 3:55:14 PM EDT
[#2]
Stupid question...  What is FOP?
5/25/2010 3:55:35 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Stupid question...  What is FOP?


Fraternal Order of Police
5/25/2010 4:03:38 PM EDT
[#4]
Next time they call ask them how much of the donation actually goes to the FOP or FD
5/25/2010 4:06:01 PM EDT
[#5]
For the record, charities know that they can either pay through the nose to establish their own call system...



...or just pay the professionals who already have the equipment and expertise, and make more net profits.



Carry on.
5/25/2010 4:06:08 PM EDT
[#6]
I don't give a Dime to any third party or Professional Fundraisers
5/25/2010 4:09:29 PM EDT
[#7]
I don't want FOP goddamnit,I'm a Dapper Dan man.
5/25/2010 4:11:09 PM EDT
[#8]



Quoted:


I don't want FOP goddamnit,I'm a Dapper Dan man.









How's my hair?



 
5/25/2010 4:16:46 PM EDT
[#9]



Quoted:


I don't want FOP goddamnit,I'm a Dapper Dan man.
well  isn't this place a geographical oddity, two weeks from everywhere..



 
5/26/2010 4:54:25 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
I don't want FOP goddamnit,I'm a Dapper Dan man.




WINNER!!!
5/26/2010 5:09:41 AM EDT
[#11]
My taxes pay for police and firefighters.
5/26/2010 5:45:12 AM EDT
[#12]
FOP doesn't solicit from private homes.
5/26/2010 5:48:04 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
FOP doesn't solicit from private homes.


Yep, sounds like someone is scamming.  Your money probably would have ended up funding some Democrats political campaign.
5/26/2010 6:06:06 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Next time they call ask them how much of the donation actually goes to the FOP or FD


it's usually MUCH less than 10%..  I got a call once from one of those Firms telling me that they were represengint MY PBA local...and we do not use that crap.  I got all the information i could, then informed them that they were committing fraud...the stammering from the idiot on the other end was epic..the State Ag;s office was not amused.

5/26/2010 6:10:40 AM EDT
[#15]



Quoted:


My taxes pay for police and firefighters.


+1



 
5/26/2010 6:13:12 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
FOP doesn't solicit from private homes.

Someone claiming to be them has called my house about 5000 times.  I eventually had to look up how to block phone numbers on my Comcast phone.  Haven't heard from em since.
5/26/2010 6:15:28 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Next time they call ask them how much of the donation actually goes to the FOP or FD


it's usually MUCH less than 10%..  I got a call once from one of those Firms telling me that they were represengint MY PBA local...and we do not use that crap.  I got all the information i could, then informed them that they were committing fraud...the stammering from the idiot on the other end was epic..the State Ag;s office was not amused.



Again... if charities make 'their own' calls then they have to hire employees to do it.  When you donate money, a portion is going to go to the handlers, be they professional fudraisers or the charity's own employees.  It's not like the overhead would magically disappear if charities did all their fundraising in-house.

Some of you guys must think that not-for-profits sit around looking for the most ineffecient way to screw their donors.
5/26/2010 6:18:06 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:

Quoted:
I don't want FOP goddamnit,I'm a Dapper Dan man.
well  isn't this place a geographical oddity, two weeks from everywhere..
 


Well played sir.
5/26/2010 6:20:05 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Next time they call ask them how much of the donation actually goes to the FOP or FD


it's usually MUCH less than 10%..  I got a call once from one of those Firms telling me that they were represengint MY PBA local...and we do not use that crap.  I got all the information i could, then informed them that they were committing fraud...the stammering from the idiot on the other end was epic..the State Ag;s office was not amused.



Again... if charities make 'their own' calls then they have to hire employees to do it.  When you donate money, a portion is going to go to the handlers, be they professional fudraisers or the charity's own employees.  It's not like the overhead would magically disappear if charities did all their fundraising in-house.

Some of you guys must think that not-for-profits sit around looking for the most ineffecient way to screw their donors.

My (and i do mean MY PBA, as in im a member and an officer of the local) PBA uses a one-time mailer, once a year for our Ball. Costs us $2500.00, Dontations come back directly to us..NO Middlemen, and everything else is done, including return mailing (Thank you letter to Donors) by the ball committee....and we arent THAT bif a department.  Anyone who uses a Professional "Fundraiser" is just lazy.

5/26/2010 6:39:15 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Next time they call ask them how much of the donation actually goes to the FOP or FD


it's usually MUCH less than 10%..  I got a call once from one of those Firms telling me that they were represengint MY PBA local...and we do not use that crap.  I got all the information i could, then informed them that they were committing fraud...the stammering from the idiot on the other end was epic..the State Ag;s office was not amused.



Again... if charities make 'their own' calls then they have to hire employees to do it.  When you donate money, a portion is going to go to the handlers, be they professional fudraisers or the charity's own employees.  It's not like the overhead would magically disappear if charities did all their fundraising in-house.

Some of you guys must think that not-for-profits sit around looking for the most ineffecient way to screw their donors.

My (and i do mean MY PBA, as in im a member and an officer of the local) PBA uses a one-time mailer, once a year for our Ball. Costs us $2500.00, Dontations come back directly to us..NO Middlemen, and everything else is done, including return mailing (Thank you letter to Donors) by the ball committee....and we arent THAT bif a department.  Anyone who uses a Professional "Fundraiser" is just lazy.



That's a very, very small-scale operation.  How many pieces are you handling?

ETA: My mom used to stuff envelopes for the local sportsman's club when I was a kid.  It's a lot different when you're running continuous long-term campaigns, and phone calls are more labor intensive as well.
5/26/2010 7:33:31 AM EDT
[#21]
I moved into a new house last fall, paid for all the extra shit to have a completely unlisted number, plugged in the phone and picked up the receiver to check for a dial tone. Damn if there wasn't already a phone call from one of the "police" organizations looking for money. Phone didn't even ring. I must have picked it up milliseconds before the first ring.

I don't answer that phone at all any more. Just there for the internet and so the kids can call 911 in an emergency.

I think they just dial random numbers.
5/26/2010 8:01:40 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
Next time they call ask them how much of the donation actually goes to the FOP or FD


Exactly.  I have caller ID so I usually don't have to deal with the "charities" but I did have a local call I answered.  They claimed to be raising money for the FOP, they said stickers were on the way and how would I like to donate?  I asked them about their overhead and the guy just hung up on me!
5/26/2010 8:23:16 AM EDT
[#23]
my dad still pays/donates to the FOP

and he was a career criminal/smuggler/bootlegger

his reasoning is that in his day, it was a professional and not personal relationship between his kind and the cops, and off the clock both could be found drinking together (not true nowadays, and in fact some of his biggest customers in his vice ventures were off duty lawmen) and so why not help them some as they do a crappy job for little pay
5/26/2010 9:40:23 AM EDT
[#24]
We're limited to 2 fundraisers per year by law.  There are about 35,000 mailings that go out, and maybe 10% of those have responses. Committe is about 8 guys, 3500 checks over a period of about 2 months isnt all that much of a workload, but we get enough to end up in the black by a decent amount for the ball, and we routinely donate pretty heavily to some local charities, Make-a-Wish, and Special Olympics.
5/26/2010 9:47:12 AM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
I don't want FOP goddamnit,I'm a Dapper Dan man.


Watch your language, young feller, this is a public market. Now if you want Dapper Dan, I can order it for you, have it in a couple of weeks.
5/26/2010 9:49:03 AM EDT
[#26]
Edit... i was beat. shoudl have known.
5/26/2010 9:50:41 AM EDT
[#27]
I know a guy who worked as a telemarketer right out of college.
His team did lots of calls for police/firemen all over the country.
I guess there's a big market for it.  I think it ought to be illegal.
5/26/2010 1:19:59 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:
FOP doesn't solicit from private homes.


I've been called at least once for the past 10-15 years every single year. That would be one hell of a long running scam if it actually was.

And even if it WAS a scam, I never give to any cold calling "charity".
5/26/2010 1:32:02 PM EDT
[#29]
I'm in the FOP and I refuse to give to the people who call asking for donations.  So little of the money actually makes it to the FOP that it isn't worth it.  I tell that to all my family and friends as well.