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5/17/2010 10:00:01 PM EDT
I've never really gotten into the supplements, but I was visiting my brother this weekend and he let me try out some stuff he had called Jack3d.  It tastes like lemon-lime Gatorade which wasn't bad (not chalky at all), but after about 10 minutes, it gave me a weird "pins and needles" feeling that last about 20 minutes.  Didn't notice too much gain/explosive power from my weight-lifting routine, but did notice a focused intensity in my cardio.  Overall a good workout in my opinion.

I'm thinking about trying out some other supplements and figured I'd ask the hive about what you use for your pre/post workouts.
5/17/2010 10:02:25 PM EDT
[#1]
Caffeine, taurine, and maybe nitric oxide. That's all most WO drinks are. I just take caffeine every once in a while if I'm dragging. Otherwise just whey after workout.
5/17/2010 10:03:32 PM EDT
[#2]





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I've never really gotten into the supplements, but I was visiting my brother this weekend and he let me try out some stuff he had called Jack3d.  It tastes like lemon-lime Gatorade which wasn't bad (not chalky at all), but after about 10 minutes, it gave me a weird "pins and needles" feeling that last about 20 minutes.  Didn't notice too much gain/explosive power from my weight-lifting routine, but did notice a focused intensity in my cardio.  Overall a good workout in my opinion.





I'm thinking about trying out some other supplements and figured I'd ask the hive about what you use for your pre/post workouts.



Dibs on any CA-legal guns.



I use this whey/creatine mix they have at Wal*Mart. I think the brand is Body Fortress. Cheap, tastes good, mixes well, good enough for me. Only other sups I take are a multivitamin and fish oil.





 
5/17/2010 10:05:20 PM EDT
[#3]




Quoted:

Caffeine, taurine, and maybe nitric oxide. That's all most WO drinks are. I just take caffeine every once in a while if I'm dragging. Otherwise just whey after workout.




Yup...most of the pre-workout stuff is just a huge upper mixed with some shitty fake sugars.



Grab a cup of really strong coffee if you need a pick me up and drink down some good carbs/protein after workout (proteinfactory.com is my usual shopping place ;))
5/17/2010 10:07:15 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Caffeine, taurine, and maybe nitric oxide. That's all most WO drinks are. I just take caffeine every once in a while if I'm dragging. Otherwise just whey after workout.


Any specific brand?  I used to take that back in high school for football and baseball but never liked it much because it tasted like shit.
5/17/2010 10:09:18 PM EDT
[#5]
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I've never really gotten into the supplements, but I was visiting my brother this weekend and he let me try out some stuff he had called Jack3d.  It tastes like lemon-lime Gatorade which wasn't bad (not chalky at all), but after about 10 minutes, it gave me a weird "pins and needles" feeling that last about 20 minutes.  Didn't notice too much gain/explosive power from my weight-lifting routine, but did notice a focused intensity in my cardio.  Overall a good workout in my opinion.

I'm thinking about trying out some other supplements and figured I'd ask the hive about what you use for your pre/post workouts.

Dibs on any CA-legal guns.

I use this whey/creatine mix they have at Wal*Mart. I think the brand is Body Fortress. Cheap, tastes good, mixes well, good enough for me. Only other sups I take are a multivitamin and fish oil.
 



Yeah yeah...  I was wondering what that was all about.  Started doing some research and it's caused by the beta-alanine in the product.  A "normal" reaction from what I read...
5/17/2010 10:10:09 PM EDT
[#6]
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I've never really gotten into the supplements, but I was visiting my brother this weekend and he let me try out some stuff he had called Jack3d.  It tastes like lemon-lime Gatorade which wasn't bad (not chalky at all), but after about 10 minutes, it gave me a weird "pins and needles" feeling that last about 20 minutes.  Didn't notice too much gain/explosive power from my weight-lifting routine, but did notice a focused intensity in my cardio.  Overall a good workout in my opinion.

I'm thinking about trying out some other supplements and figured I'd ask the hive about what you use for your pre/post workouts.

Dibs on any CA-legal guns.

I use this whey/creatine mix they have at Wal*Mart. I think the brand is Body Fortress. Cheap, tastes good, mixes well, good enough for me. Only other sups I take are a multivitamin and fish oil.
 


Any such thing?
5/17/2010 10:11:51 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Caffeine, taurine, and maybe nitric oxide. That's all most WO drinks are. I just take caffeine every once in a while if I'm dragging. Otherwise just whey after workout.


Yup...most of the pre-workout stuff is just a huge upper mixed with some shitty fake sugars.

Grab a cup of really strong coffee if you need a pick me up and drink down some good carbs/protein after workout (proteinfactory.com is my usual shopping place ;))


This Jack3d stuff evidently doesn't have any sugars, carbs, additives, etc. in it.
5/17/2010 10:12:40 PM EDT
[#8]
Deca
Winnie
Tren
Test
etc.

Anything else is a total waste of money.
5/17/2010 10:14:34 PM EDT
[#9]




Quoted:



Quoted:

Caffeine, taurine, and maybe nitric oxide. That's all most WO drinks are. I just take caffeine every once in a while if I'm dragging. Otherwise just whey after workout.




Any specific brand? I used to take that back in high school for football and baseball but never liked it much because it tasted like shit.



proteinfactory.com ;)



if you want something off the shelf...syntha-6 is a good mix, Optimum Nutrition's is pretty decent. I'm a fan of Isopure if I don't buy something from proteinfactory.



check labels...honestly don't usually want Whey Concentrate as the first ingredient...it's cheap, has a low bio value ( you only use about 80-85% of it). Look for Whey Isolates.

5/17/2010 10:14:43 PM EDT
[#10]
Pretty much hype in my book...mostly caffeine.

BCAAs:  the best intra- and post workout sup and they're even starting to catch on with the "mainstream" companies.
5/17/2010 10:16:52 PM EDT
[#11]
EC stack ftw

 
5/17/2010 10:18:55 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Deca
Winnie
Tren
Test
etc.

Anything else is a total waste of money.


I'll have to check those out
5/17/2010 10:25:05 PM EDT
[#13]




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Caffeine, taurine, and maybe nitric oxide. That's all most WO drinks are. I just take caffeine every once in a while if I'm dragging. Otherwise just whey after workout.




Yup...most of the pre-workout stuff is just a huge upper mixed with some shitty fake sugars.



Grab a cup of really strong coffee if you need a pick me up and drink down some good carbs/protein after workout (proteinfactory.com is my usual shopping place ;))




This Jack3d stuff evidently doesn't have any sugars, carbs, additives, etc. in it.



















































































250 Grams Lemon Lime
Supplement Facts
Serving Size

1 Scoop (5.55 grams)
Servings Per Container: 45
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value*
Proprietary Blend 4145mg*
(Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, Creatine Monohydrate, Beta Alanine, Caffeine, 1,3-Dimethylamylamine (Geranium [Stem]), Schizandrol A)
* Daily Value not established












































































Other Ingredients:
Citric Acid, Natural Lemon-Lime Flavor, Acesulfame-K, Sucralose, Vegetable Stearate, Silicon Dioxide, Chlorophyll (For Coloring).
This product is produced in a facility that processes milk and soy ingredients
Black Box Warning:
This Product Produces An Intense Sensation Of Drive, Focus, Energy, Motiviation & Awareness. In Addition, It Allows For Rapid Increases In Strength, Speed, Power & Endurance. Therefore, Extreme Caution Must Be Exercised & Should Not Be Used By Novice Athletes.
Use With Caution Under Strict Dosing Protocols.




Artificial sweeteners, BA (apparently you don't tolerate it...not unusual), AAKG which..do a search a for Nitric Oxide Scam..., schizindrol a is a central nervous system inhibitor, the 1,3 di is vasoconstrictor....



But if you wanna put that in your body...go for it ;) I'd stick to a quick shot of caffeine and good protein.
5/17/2010 10:25:49 PM EDT
[#14]




Quoted:



Quoted:

Deca

Winnie

Tren

Test

etc.



Anything else is a total waste of money.




I'll have to check those out


Steroids. Good luck with that.


5/17/2010 10:26:20 PM EDT
[#15]
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Caffeine, taurine, and maybe nitric oxide. That's all most WO drinks are. I just take caffeine every once in a while if I'm dragging. Otherwise just whey after workout.


Any specific brand? I used to take that back in high school for football and baseball but never liked it much because it tasted like shit.

proteinfactory.com ;)

if you want something off the shelf...syntha-6 is a good mix, Optimum Nutrition's is pretty decent. I'm a fan of Isopure if I don't buy something from proteinfactory.

check labels...honestly don't usually want Whey Concentrate as the first ingredient...it's cheap, has a low bio value ( you only use about 80-85% of it). Look for Whey Isolates.


+1
5/17/2010 10:27:47 PM EDT
[#16]
nobody likes flax oil anymore?
5/17/2010 10:27:56 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:

Quoted:
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Caffeine, taurine, and maybe nitric oxide. That's all most WO drinks are. I just take caffeine every once in a while if I'm dragging. Otherwise just whey after workout.


Any specific brand? I used to take that back in high school for football and baseball but never liked it much because it tasted like shit.

proteinfactory.com ;)

if you want something off the shelf...syntha-6 is a good mix, Optimum Nutrition's is pretty decent. I'm a fan of Isopure if I don't buy something from proteinfactory.

check labels...honestly don't usually want Whey Concentrate as the first ingredient...it's cheap, has a low bio value ( you only use about 80-85% of it). Look for Whey Isolates.



That site seems to have a good amount of info...  I'll be checking that out
5/17/2010 10:30:06 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
Caffeine, taurine, and maybe nitric oxide. That's all most WO drinks are. I just take caffeine every once in a while if I'm dragging. Otherwise just whey after workout.


Yup...most of the pre-workout stuff is just a huge upper mixed with some shitty fake sugars.

Grab a cup of really strong coffee if you need a pick me up and drink down some good carbs/protein after workout (proteinfactory.com is my usual shopping place ;))


This Jack3d stuff evidently doesn't have any sugars, carbs, additives, etc. in it.
250 Grams Lemon Lime
Supplement Facts
Serving Size
1 Scoop (5.55 grams)
Servings Per Container: 45
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value*
Proprietary Blend 4145mg*
(Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, Creatine Monohydrate, Beta Alanine, Caffeine, 1,3-Dimethylamylamine (Geranium [Stem]), Schizandrol A)
* Daily Value not established
Other Ingredients:
Citric Acid, Natural Lemon-Lime Flavor, Acesulfame-K, Sucralose, Vegetable Stearate, Silicon Dioxide, Chlorophyll (For Coloring).
This product is produced in a facility that processes milk and soy ingredients
Black Box Warning:
This Product Produces An Intense Sensation Of Drive, Focus, Energy, Motiviation & Awareness. In Addition, It Allows For Rapid Increases In Strength, Speed, Power & Endurance. Therefore, Extreme Caution Must Be Exercised & Should Not Be Used By Novice Athletes.
Use With Caution Under Strict Dosing Protocols.


Artificial sweeteners, BA (apparently you don't tolerate it...not unusual), AAKG which..do a search a for Nitric Oxide Scam..., schizindrol a is a central nervous system inhibitor, the 1,3 di is vasoconstrictor....

But if you wanna put that in your body...go for it ;) I'd stick to a quick shot of caffeine and good protein.


FFFUUUUU

Am I going to need to pick up a chemistry degree getting into this stuff?
5/17/2010 10:30:24 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
Deca
Winnie
Tren
Test
etc.

Anything else is a total waste of money.


I'll have to check those out

Steroids. Good luck with that.


ok..  maybe not so much
5/17/2010 10:36:44 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Deca
Winnie
Tren
Test
etc.

Anything else is a total waste of money.


I'll have to check those out


ahh, i wouldn't do that



ETA: nvrmnd

I used to use muscle milk after workouts.  great tasting stuff.  now i just eat a bunch of tuna or chicken after.

5/17/2010 10:40:58 PM EDT
[#21]
Dbol wks 1-3
test E wks 1-12
winstrol wks 7-14
Nolvadex wks 15-18
HCG wks 3-15
old mexico days

Any protein powder will do, buy the cheap walmart Body Fortress stuff. I just eat a shit ton of chicken breasts, oats, broccoli, and peanut butter. Fish oil and multi too.
5/17/2010 10:53:33 PM EDT
[#22]
Anyone else wanna weigh in on this?  Lots of good info so far.  Thanks Rob for the heads up on NO
5/18/2010 12:37:15 AM EDT
[#23]
What is your goal? To lose weight? Gain muscle? Gain strength? There is no magic supplement (other than AAS/HGH, steroids), it all boils down to diet and workout. Figure out your daily caloric maintenance and then decide if you want to cut or bulk. If you're one of those skinny guys that have a hard time putting on mass then add 500-1000 calories over your maintenance and do low intensity cardio only(or none if it runs into your allotted caloric excess). If you're overweight then do a 500 calorie deficit and do either HIIT or LISS cardio after lifting. Here's my current routine:

mon: chest/biceps/abs(flat/incline bench, flies, dips| preacher curls, hammer curls, cable curls, reverse curls| hanging leg raises, ab wheel, cable trunk twists, crunches)
tues: quads/calves(front squat/back squat, narrow stance leg press, leg extension, lunges| calf raises on leg press, seated leg press, smith machine leg press)
wed: back/triceps(Pull-ups, deadlifts, rows, lat pull-downs| Skull crushers, dips, close grip bench press, french press, cable push downs)
thurs: off/abs (above)
fri: Hamstrings/calves (stiff leg deadlifts, good mornings, leg curls, Bulgarian split squats, reverse hyper extensions, some weighted hip thrusts for glutes)
sat: Arms(mix above)
sunday: off/abs(above)

This is a routine for size. It focuses on opposite muscle groups so you can hit both hard without fatiguing the secondary muscle group. As oppose to hitting chest and then doing a light amount of triceps after(with less intensity due to fatigue from pressing motion). If you wanted to just gain strength and are new the look at Mark Rippitoe's 5x5 program or a 5-3-1 program. Don't depend on supps just maintain a high protein diet and train like a beast.

5/18/2010 1:01:06 AM EDT
[#24]
Supplements like those don't really work. All you need is a good diet, some vitamins and plenty of rest after your work outs.
5/18/2010 1:12:12 AM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
I've never really gotten into the supplements, but I was visiting my brother this weekend and he let me try out some stuff he had called Jack3d.  It tastes like lemon-lime Gatorade which wasn't bad (not chalky at all), but after about 10 minutes, it gave me a weird "pins and needles" feeling that last about 20 minutes.  Didn't notice too much gain/explosive power from my weight-lifting routine, but did notice a focused intensity in my cardio.  Overall a good workout in my opinion.

I'm thinking about trying out some other supplements and figured I'd ask the hive about what you use for your pre/post workouts.




Garbage.

Suppliment industry is the biggest sham on the face of the earth.


When considering a suppliment, as yourself
Is it creatine?
Will it get me arrested?


If the answer to either is "no" its dogshit.
5/18/2010 2:02:41 AM EDT
[#26]
tingling is caused by beta alanine.  buy it 100% pure and see for yourself.
5/18/2010 2:04:30 AM EDT
[#27]
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nobody likes flax oil anymore?


Yes, it's YUMMY (NOT!) along with CLA and fish oil...eat 'em up yum!
5/18/2010 2:30:34 AM EDT
[#28]
GASPARI SUPERPUMP 250  
5/18/2010 11:48:58 AM EDT
[#29]
actually beta alanine with arginine cause effects one can feel.  

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I've never really gotten into the supplements, but I was visiting my brother this weekend and he let me try out some stuff he had called Jack3d.  It tastes like lemon-lime Gatorade which wasn't bad (not chalky at all), but after about 10 minutes, it gave me a weird "pins and needles" feeling that last about 20 minutes.  Didn't notice too much gain/explosive power from my weight-lifting routine, but did notice a focused intensity in my cardio.  Overall a good workout in my opinion.

I'm thinking about trying out some other supplements and figured I'd ask the hive about what you use for your pre/post workouts.




Garbage.

Suppliment industry is the biggest sham on the face of the earth.


When considering a suppliment, as yourself
Is it creatine?
Will it get me arrested?


If the answer to either is "no" its dogshit.