Posted: 5/12/2010 12:34:30 PM EDT
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A table saw that won't cut into flesh:
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1 I don't know if this has been posted here before. If so, please let me know that it's a dupe and I'll remove it. 
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Been around a few years but apparently the inventor is a dick and manufacturers won't buy into it. He tried to force a law that all "post ban' saws would have to have his technology built into them. -Foxxz Worse than a dick, a bunch of attorneys own the patent. They have been pushing Consumer Product Safety and OSHA to require the device on saws as a way to drive royalties there way. It is protection for the careless, and comes with some problems. Do not try to cut green (wet) wood or it will go off. It also provides no protection against kickback, and while amputations occur kickback is far more common (just not as damaging most of the time). Anyone remember the OSHA cowboy drawing? |
I need to visit the General Discussion Forum more often, as I never saw the previous thread. 
I received the Youtube link in an e-mail today and that was the first time I'd ever heard about the sawstop. I think it is pretty neat, even though I don't own a table saw, and hopefully I wouldn't be careless enough to place an appendage in line with the blade if I did. 
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I have an idea! I will invent something that will detect flesh in contact with the front of a firearm
barrel. I will then lobby the CPSC to include it on all future firearms. Just think... It will save fingers, hands, maybe even the occasional skull! Tools, guns, cars, and fireworks are all dangerous. That's just the way it is. Since I like living in a country where I am (mostly) free to have fun and hurt myself in the process, the sawstop company will never see a dime from me. |
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It saved my shop teachers hand in high school. That might be debatable. With some things it is hard to prove that something that didn't happen *would* have happened. Even so, it probably saved him some blood loss and rehab. That doesn't make it right to force it on everyone else. I can think of numerous fail-safes to add to handguns that would prevent most negligent discharges and also make them more child safe. Think of the lives that would be saved every year. In fact, a little girl was killed not far from here a few weeks ago. It could have been prevented by my idea for a safety device. So, what do you say? Should I do it? Keep in mind that it *will* significantly increase the cost and complexity of all firearms. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Been around a few years but apparently the inventor is a dick and manufacturers won't buy into it. He tried to force a law that all "post ban' saws would have to have his technology built into them. -Foxxz Worse than a dick, a bunch of attorneys own the patent. They have been pushing Consumer Product Safety and OSHA to require the device on saws as a way to drive royalties there way. It is protection for the careless, and comes with some problems. Do not try to cut green (wet) wood or it will go off. It also provides no protection against kickback, and while amputations occur kickback is far more common (just not as damaging most of the time). Anyone remember the OSHA cowboy drawing?  |
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Quoted: Quoted: Do not try to cut green (wet) wood or it will go off. And, unless they have changed it, once it goes off the user cannot reset it. A new cartridge must be purchased at considerable expense. I saw the owner/inventor on one of those Science channel shows and he actually demonstrated the product (he was nervous as heck, never done it before). It worked fine, he kept his finger (used his left pinky... a lot of trust there). IIRC it used a sacrificial aluminum break, waasn't supposed to be that expensive to replace (per the show) but I have no idea. Cheaper than replacing a finger I would guess. Too bad the guy's a shmuck, it's a good idea. I could see it being used in wood shop and places like that where noobs are plentiful. But I would have it too if it were available and the company didn't suck. |
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Do not try to cut green (wet) wood or it will go off. And, unless they have changed it, once it goes off the user cannot reset it. A new cartridge must be purchased at considerable expense. I saw the owner/inventor on one of those Science channel shows and he actually demonstrated the product (he was nervous as heck, never done it before). It worked fine, he kept his finger (used his left pinky... a lot of trust there). IIRC it used a sacrificial aluminum break, waasn't supposed to be that expensive to replace (per the show) but I have no idea. Cheaper than replacing a finger I would guess. Too bad the guy's a shmuck, it's a good idea. I could see it being used in wood shop and places like that where noobs are plentiful. But I would have it too if it were available and the company didn't suck. Well, in the link to the video that the OP posted, the inventer used his middle finger. |
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I have first hand experience with these saws. I did a small woodworking show in the northeast and watched the demonstration first hand about 10 different times using a hot dog. The cartridges are about $70 if I remember correctly, so they are not a big expense. The blade is supposed to be replaced after impact for safety, but I doubt it always gets changed. Hundreds of my customers have and swear by these saws. The company owner attempting to lobby congress would have pissed me off as well, but my customers love having the extra safety level. I have one machinery dealer that sold these saws get a very angry phone call from a customer who's cartridge had just gone off totally by itself. He called my dealer friend and ripped him a new asshole for the misfire. Once the customer got off the phone he went to the bathroom and found his employee putting a band aid on his thumb. His employee admitted that he touched the blade and he didn't want to get fired for destroying the cartridge! The machine dealer got a very nice phone call ordering several extra cartridges and an apology. These saws should by no means be mandatory. That being said, they fucking kick ass! |
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1. Saw Stops really work.
2. Not just newbies and idiots cut fingers off on table saws. Some of the finest, most experienced woodworkers have accidents too. 3. For the price of a new Powermatic or a new Delta Unisaw, the Saw Stop is heavier, has a larger table surface, better fence, better dust extraction, all around superior in quality and it has a brake. 4. Saw Stop has taken over the market for cabinet style table saws. They out sell Jet, Powermatic, Delta, and General combined. |
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Do not try to cut green (wet) wood or it will go off. And, unless they have changed it, once it goes off the user cannot reset it. A new cartridge must be purchased at considerable expense. There is an override key for cutting aluminum, ACQ, wet wood. You can test cut green wood with the override and if the light on the switch flashes red, the brake would have activated. If the light stays green you can cut it with the brake ready. Standard Brake cartridge is $69.00. (Considerable???) Dado Brake is $89.00 (More Considerable???) |
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Been around a few years but apparently the inventor is a dick and manufacturers won't buy into it. He tried to force a law that all "post ban' saws would have to have his technology built into them. -Foxxz Worse than a dick, a bunch of attorneys own the patent. They have been pushing Consumer Product Safety and OSHA to require the device on saws as a way to drive royalties there way. It is protection for the careless, and comes with some problems. Do not try to cut green (wet) wood or it will go off. It also provides no protection against kickback, and while amputations occur kickback is far more common (just not as damaging most of the time). Anyone remember the OSHA cowboy drawing? 
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Been around a few years but apparently the inventor is a dick and manufacturers won't buy into it. He tried to force a law that all "post ban' saws would have to have his technology built into them. -Foxxz Worse than a dick, a bunch of attorneys own the patent. They have been pushing Consumer Product Safety and OSHA to require the device on saws as a way to drive royalties there way. It is protection for the careless, and comes with some problems. Do not try to cut green (wet) wood or it will go off. It also provides no protection against kickback, and while amputations occur kickback is far more common (just not as damaging most of the time). Anyone remember the OSHA cowboy drawing? Our high school shop has one and I have some experience. You need to change settings for green wood or aluminum, as it works on conduction (or maybe capacitance). Cartridges are less than $20. It'll cost you more if you ruin the blade, but that's not real common. this one came with a kickback prevention device. It's a really nice saw. |