Posted: 5/7/2010 2:17:38 PM EDT
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Which side would you have been on?
The Anti-Federalists did not want to ratify the Constitution. Basically, they argue that: * It gave too much power to the national government at the expense of the state governments. * There was no bill of rights. * The national government could maintain an army in peacetime. * Congress, because of the `necessary and proper clause,' wielded too much power. * The executive branch held too much power. Famous Anti Federalists * Thomas Jefferson * Patrick Henry * Samuel Adams * George Mason * Richard Henry Lee * Robert Yates (politician) * James Winthrop * James Monroe * Mercy Otis Warren Federalists * James Madison * John Adams *John Jay *George Washington *John Hancock |
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damnit. I accidently voted for anti-federalist. Anyway. I don't see any shit talking about James Madison or any of the other federalists here. What really irritates me is people here talk shit about the federalists and civil war and assume that those people would approve of today's current big government. Lots of love for Thomas Jefferson, but I doubt those people who say he was great because he was so anti-government, clearly have not studied his Presidency. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I don't see any shit talking about James Madison or any of the other federalists here.. i refused to watch this hbo mini series does that count? http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:tr2H-5bPz5xpFM:http://muqus.com/images/j/o/h/john_adams_hbo_miniseries_-3642613.jpg Well at least ur not a hypocrite. I see plenty of people here put the founding fathers on a mile high pedestal and then turn around and bash the federalists as communist heathens. |
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The trouble is, after having read both The Federalist and Antifederalist papers, I have come to the conclusion that even the most devout federalist back then, would not believe what things the Federal government gets involved in and micromanages today. A BIG +1 Anti-federalist all the way. |
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Which side would you have been on? The Anti-Federalists did not want to ratify the Constitution. Basically, they argue that: * It gave too much power to the national government at the expense of the state governments. * There was no bill of rights. * The national government could maintain an army in peacetime. * Congress, because of the `necessary and proper clause,' wielded too much power. * The executive branch held too much power. Famous Anti Federalists * Thomas Jefferson * Patrick Henry * Samuel Adams * George Mason * Richard Henry Lee * Robert Yates (politician) * James Winthrop * James Monroe * Mercy Otis Warren Federalists * James Madison * John Adams *John Jay *George Washington *John Hancock What did the federalist papers argue(according to you)? cant talk about only one, and expect a honest poll |
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The trouble is, after having read both The Federalist and Antifederalist papers, I have come to the conclusion that even the most devout federalist back then, would not believe what things the Federal government gets involved in and micromanages today. Yep, it was the Federalists that basically created, supported, and negotiated the Constitution. No one can claim what is being done today is anywhere close to what the founders intended whatever side of the fence the sat on. |
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given the then-current divide, i would have wound up on the side of the federalists. being a strong nation is really, really important––look where jefferson's anti-federalist philosophy led in the war of 1812. that we are a strong nation today is due to a strong central government. it's easy to hate hamilton, for example, but his ideas were vital for economic development. that said, i'm a constitutional federalist––the current centralization climate is far, far beyond anything i believe the constitution was intended to authorize. |
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The trouble is, after having read both The Federalist and Antifederalist papers, I have come to the conclusion that even the most devout federalist back then, would not believe what things the Federal government gets involved in and micromanages today. So true 
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Quoted: Which side would you have been on? The Anti-Federalists did not want to ratify the Constitution. Basically, they argue that: * The executive branch held too much power. There was also the belief the the executive would have no power, and be a slave to the senate. I'm with NavyDoc, the founders would be stunned by how deeply we've been buggered by the federal liberty killer. I think they'd probably be 99% anti-federalists if they could see us now. |