[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Backup guns? (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 3/24/2010 8:26:17 PM EDT
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LEO or civilian? What is you BUG? How do you carry it? What is your primary? |
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If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. I know a guy that carrys 3 |
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If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. 
Massad among many says otherwise. |
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If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. Did some raging moron kick you in the head and type this, or are you doing it for him? +1 The same reasons for a cop to carry a BUG apply to Joe CCW'er carrying as well. OP Until a recent policy change at work I carried the same Colt agent as a BUG for 13 years. I am now carrying a glock 26. I have also carried several others over the years. |
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I carried one rifle into Gaza and did just fine. Do I really need an extra few pounds to carry around in suburban PA?  Your choice. There are a lot of reasons to do it but ultimately what works for me may not work for you. But keep in mind as a cop in rural USA I carried a glock, a colt revolver and had a shotgun, sniper rifle and ar in the trunk. Also, in Gaza you were 1)carrying a rifle not a handgun and two probably had a bunch of people on your side with rifles. |
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If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. Did some raging moron kick you in the head and type this, or are you doing it for him? All Im saying is if your job does not involve the safety of the public or you are not a jeweler or some type of money courier the liklihood of a private citizen ever finding themselves in a legitimate situation requiring a back up CCW is infinitesimal. Remember your job as a private citizen with a CCW is to be a good witness and use your CCW mainly to protect your own life. I think there is a small minority of gunowners/CCW holders that fantasize about getting into some Hollywood style bank robbery firefight and becoming a hero. That's all Im saying. Flamesuit on. |
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If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. No it shouldn't. I just think the average citizen would be more than adequately armed with a Glock 19 and a secondary magazine. If you need more than 31 rounds to extricate yourself from a bad situation than you are probably doing something wrong. And no I don't think the number of guns should be the governments decision. Im just saying two handguns is overkill for an everyday joe. |
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If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. Have you lived out that masturbatory fantasy yet? |
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If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. Have you lived out that masturbatory fantasy yet? Not really. Instead I joined the USMC as an infantryman when I was 18 and got it out of my system 
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All Im saying is if your job does not involve the safety of the public or you are not a jeweler or some type of money courier the liklihood of a private citizen ever finding themselves in a legitimate situation requiring a back up CCW is infinitesimal. Speaking as a dude who has carried a non-functional firearm before, I'm gonna go ahead and call shenanigans on that assertion. No, I don't fantasize about being in a gunfight. I've already been shot. It sucks. It really sucks when you can't shoot back. |
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If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. Did some raging moron kick you in the head and type this, or are you doing it for him? All Im saying is if your job does not involve the safety of the public or you are not a jeweler or some type of money courier the liklihood of a private citizen ever finding themselves in a legitimate situation requiring a back up CCW is infinitesimal. Remember your job as a private citizen with a CCW is to be a good witness and use your CCW mainly to protect your own life. I think there is a small minority of gunowners/CCW holders that fantasize about getting into some Hollywood style bank robbery firefight and becoming a hero. That's all Im saying. Flamesuit on. You do realize the odds of a cop needing a BUG aren't exactly astronomical right? Reasons for a BUG: I can have a hand on my bug and nobody knows. Useful while being a good witness. IF there is no need to draw no blood no foul. IF you have to draw you are ahead of the curve and just increased your odds of staying alive dramatically. Weapon retention. I can wrestle to keep my gun and maybe win. Or I can muzzle stamp the guy with the other gun and solve the problem. Guns are machines they sometimes break. I have a colt revolver that was my primary bug for over a decade. Last range trip it was fine. Pull it out to qualify two weeks later and it is locked up tight no go bang. IF that was your only gun sucks to be you. Out with a friend or relative who shoots but does not carry and doo doo occurs? I can hand them a gun (I have done this twice IRL with off duty cops while I was on duty.). Get blind sided and your primary hand is fending off Joe Bad guy? A second gun accessible by your other hand might be nice. Primary side gets injured? Nice to still be able to stay in the fight. And drawing a BUG is a lot quicker than scrabbling around for the gun you dropped when you got shot. Sorry, in the real world there are lots of reasons for a bug besides some hollywood shoot out. They may be unlikely to occur but then again the chances of me needing life insurance, a spare tire or a fire extinguisher aren't all that great either. But I still have them. Some of us have actually put a lot of thought into carrying guns, the tactics and strategies involved, and made well informed rational decisions, instead of forming knee jerk reactions based on hollywood shoot outs or a I am all that is man delusion. |
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If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. Most respected firearms instructors say you are wrong. Had much real training? ETA: Thanks for your service. Most serious firearms instructors (Ayoob, Smith, others) teach otherwise. |
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All Im saying is if your job does not involve the safety of the public or you are not a jeweler or some type of money courier the liklihood of a private citizen ever finding themselves in a legitimate situation requiring a back up CCW is infinitesimal. Speaking as a dude who has carried a non-functional firearm before, I'm gonna go ahead and call shenanigans on that assertion. No, I don't fantasize about being in a gunfight. I've already been shot. It sucks. It really sucks when you can't shoot back.[/quote] I agree with that but why was your firearm non-functional? |
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If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. Did some raging moron kick you in the head and type this, or are you doing it for him? All Im saying is if your job does not involve the safety of the public or you are not a jeweler or some type of money courier the liklihood of a private citizen ever finding themselves in a legitimate situation requiring a back up CCW is infinitesimal. Remember your job as a private citizen with a CCW is to be a good witness and use your CCW mainly to protect your own life. I think there is a small minority of gunowners/CCW holders that fantasize about getting into some Hollywood style bank robbery firefight and becoming a hero. That's all Im saying. Flamesuit on. You do realize the odds of a cop needing a BUG aren't exactly astronomical right? Reasons for a BUG: I can have a hand on my bug and nobody knows. Useful while being a good witness. IF there is no need to draw no blood no foul. IF you have to draw you are ahead of the curve and just increased your odds of staying alive dramatically. Weapon retention. I can wrestle to keep my gun and maybe win. Or I can muzzle stamp the guy with the other gun and solve the problem. Guns are machines they sometimes break. I have a colt revolver that was my primary bug for over a decade. Last range trip it was fine. Pull it out to qualify two weeks later and it is locked up tight no go bang. IF that was your only gun sucks to be you. Out with a friend or relative who shoots but does not carry and doo doo occurs? I can hand them a gun (I have done this twice IRL with off duty cops while I was on duty.). Get blind sided and your primary hand is fending off Joe Bad guy? A second gun accessible by your other hand might be nice. Primary side gets injured? Nice to still be able to stay in the fight. And drawing a BUG is a lot quicker than scrabbling around for the gun you dropped when you got shot. Sorry, in the real world there are lots of reasons for a bug besides some hollywood shoot out. They may be unlikely to occur but then again the chances of me needing life insurance, a spare tire or a fire extinguisher aren't all that great either. But I still have them. Some of us have actually put a lot of thought into carrying guns, the tactics and strategies involved, and made well informed rational decisions, instead of forming knee jerk reactions based on hollywood shoot outs or a I am all that is man delusion. You do realize he said if your not a leo or security right? And if so how many civilians have had to use the bug? And stay out of Compton to begin with. |
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All Im saying is if your job does not involve the safety of the public or you are not a jeweler or some type of money courier the liklihood of a private citizen ever finding themselves in a legitimate situation requiring a back up CCW is infinitesimal. Speaking as a dude who has carried a non-functional firearm before, I'm gonna go ahead and call shenanigans on that assertion. No, I don't fantasize about being in a gunfight. I've already been shot. It sucks. It really sucks when you can't shoot back.[/quote] I agree with that but why was your firearm non-functional? Can't speak to his incident, but for mine it was fine at the range and freak occurance, on the last a part (in a place that you only see when detail stripping as opposed to normal maintenance broke). I also know of one incident where a issue 870 firing pin broke on the last round in a qual course. No one found out until the next inspection or qual(sorry late 80's early 90's I don't remember which), as you generally don't tear an 870 down that far for routine cleaning/maintenance. |
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If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. Did some raging moron kick you in the head and type this, or are you doing it for him? All Im saying is if your job does not involve the safety of the public or you are not a jeweler or some type of money courier the liklihood of a private citizen ever finding themselves in a legitimate situation requiring a back up CCW is infinitesimal. Remember your job as a private citizen with a CCW is to be a good witness and use your CCW mainly to protect your own life. I think there is a small minority of gunowners/CCW holders that fantasize about getting into some Hollywood style bank robbery firefight and becoming a hero. That's all Im saying. Flamesuit on. You do realize the odds of a cop needing a BUG aren't exactly astronomical right? Reasons for a BUG: I can have a hand on my bug and nobody knows. Useful while being a good witness. IF there is no need to draw no blood no foul. IF you have to draw you are ahead of the curve and just increased your odds of staying alive dramatically. Weapon retention. I can wrestle to keep my gun and maybe win. Or I can muzzle stamp the guy with the other gun and solve the problem. Guns are machines they sometimes break. I have a colt revolver that was my primary bug for over a decade. Last range trip it was fine. Pull it out to qualify two weeks later and it is locked up tight no go bang. IF that was your only gun sucks to be you. Out with a friend or relative who shoots but does not carry and doo doo occurs? I can hand them a gun (I have done this twice IRL with off duty cops while I was on duty.). Get blind sided and your primary hand is fending off Joe Bad guy? A second gun accessible by your other hand might be nice. Primary side gets injured? Nice to still be able to stay in the fight. And drawing a BUG is a lot quicker than scrabbling around for the gun you dropped when you got shot. Sorry, in the real world there are lots of reasons for a bug besides some hollywood shoot out. They may be unlikely to occur but then again the chances of me needing life insurance, a spare tire or a fire extinguisher aren't all that great either. But I still have them. Some of us have actually put a lot of thought into carrying guns, the tactics and strategies involved, and made well informed rational decisions, instead of forming knee jerk reactions based on hollywood shoot outs or a I am all that is man delusion. You do realize he said if your not a leo or security right? And if so how many civilians have had to use the bug? And stay out of Compton to begin with. Ya, I did realize that. That is why the list is titled reasons to have a BUG, instead of reasons cops should have one. The same situations can arise no matter what your occupation happens to be. That is why I recommend BUG's for people who are willing to make the committment to them. Irregardless of profession. As to how many? I have no idea. Just like I have no idea how many cops have. However, every one of those things on the list applies to cops and ccw'ers alike. IF you don't want to carry one then don't. But saying there is no reason other than a hollywood shootout shows a severe lack of critical thinking and knowledge on the topic. As to your idiotic compton bullshit: IF that works for a BUG the same logic dictates you have no need to carry a gun at all. |
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If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. Did some raging moron kick you in the head and type this, or are you doing it for him? All Im saying is if your job does not involve the safety of the public or you are not a jeweler or some type of money courier the liklihood of a private citizen ever finding themselves in a legitimate situation requiring a back up CCW is infinitesimal. Remember your job as a private citizen with a CCW is to be a good witness and use your CCW mainly to protect your own life. I think there is a small minority of gunowners/CCW holders that fantasize about getting into some Hollywood style bank robbery firefight and becoming a hero. That's all Im saying. Flamesuit on. You do realize the odds of a cop needing a BUG aren't exactly astronomical right? Reasons for a BUG: I can have a hand on my bug and nobody knows. Useful while being a good witness. IF there is no need to draw no blood no foul. IF you have to draw you are ahead of the curve and just increased your odds of staying alive dramatically. Weapon retention. I can wrestle to keep my gun and maybe win. Or I can muzzle stamp the guy with the other gun and solve the problem. Guns are machines they sometimes break. I have a colt revolver that was my primary bug for over a decade. Last range trip it was fine. Pull it out to qualify two weeks later and it is locked up tight no go bang. IF that was your only gun sucks to be you. Out with a friend or relative who shoots but does not carry and doo doo occurs? I can hand them a gun (I have done this twice IRL with off duty cops while I was on duty.). Get blind sided and your primary hand is fending off Joe Bad guy? A second gun accessible by your other hand might be nice. Primary side gets injured? Nice to still be able to stay in the fight. And drawing a BUG is a lot quicker than scrabbling around for the gun you dropped when you got shot. Sorry, in the real world there are lots of reasons for a bug besides some hollywood shoot out. They may be unlikely to occur but then again the chances of me needing life insurance, a spare tire or a fire extinguisher aren't all that great either. But I still have them. Some of us have actually put a lot of thought into carrying guns, the tactics and strategies involved, and made well informed rational decisions, instead of forming knee jerk reactions based on hollywood shoot outs or a I am all that is man delusion. You do realize he said if your not a leo or security right? And if so how many civilians have had to use the bug? And stay out of Compton to begin with. Ya, I did realize that. That is why the list is titled reasons to have a BUG, instead of reasons cops should have one. The same situations can arise no matter what your occupation happens to be. That is why I recommend BUG's for people who are willing to make the committment to them. Irregardless of profession. As to how many? I have no idea. Just like I have no idea how many cops have. However, every one of those things on the list applies to cops and ccw'ers alike. IF you don't want to carry one then don't. But saying there is no reason other than a hollywood shootout shows a severe lack of critical thinking and knowledge on the topic. As to your idiotic compton bullshit: IF that works for a BUG the same logic dictates you have no need to carry a gun at all. How many civilians have had to use the bug? That is the real question i was asking! |
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If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. Speaking of masturbatory practices, how's that 5 gallon bucket working out for you? Hey, if you wanna cast stones first... 
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If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. Speaking of masturbatory practices, how's that 5 gallon bucket working out for you? Hey, if you wanna cast stones first... How often do you have to empty it? |
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Should the head exam be required by law?
If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. No it shouldn't. I just think the average citizen would be more than adequately armed with a Glock 19 and a secondary magazine. If you need more than 31 rounds to extricate yourself from a bad situation than you are probably doing something wrong. And no I don't think the number of guns should be the governments decision. Im just saying two handguns is overkill for an everyday joe. I have a M&P9c and a S&W 637 .38 on my ankle for a total of 18 rounds. I could posit that anything over 18 and you're doing something wrong. See how that works? Why do I do this? Carrying that extra gun on the ankle is comfortable (I literally forget it's there) and easy to conceal. Whereas an extra magazine is bulky and takes extra care to conceal. Hell, lots of times the .38 is my primary for a grand total of 5 rounds. Once again, I could say you're a nutjob if you feel the need for more than 5 rounds but I'm not a elitist prick (not that you are.) I know you are correct in that there are folks out there with some twisted fantasy of wanting to bringing down the guys in Heat. They'll be the first to cower or run when such a situation occurs so ignore them and avoid them. Just don't characterize every gun owner that is different from you into that category.
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. Ya, I did realize that. That is why the list is titled reasons to have a BUG, instead of reasons cops should have one. The same situations can arise no matter what your occupation happens to be. That is why I recommend BUG's for people who are willing to make the committment to them. Irregardless of profession. As to how many? I have no idea. Just like I have no idea how many cops have. However, every one of those things on the list applies to cops and ccw'ers alike. IF you don't want to carry one then don't. But saying there is no reason other than a hollywood shootout shows a severe lack of critical thinking and knowledge on the topic. As to your idiotic compton bullshit: IF that works for a BUG the same logic dictates you have no need to carry a gun at all. How many civilians have had to use the bug? That is the real question i was asking! And I answered it. |
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Should the head exam be required by law?
If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. No it shouldn't. I just think the average citizen would be more than adequately armed with a Glock 19 and a secondary magazine. If you need more than 31 rounds to extricate yourself from a bad situation than you are probably doing something wrong. And no I don't think the number of guns should be the governments decision. Im just saying two handguns is overkill for an everyday joe. I have a M&P9c and a S&W 637 .38 on my ankle for a total of 18 rounds. I could posit that anything over 18 and you're doing something wrong. See how that works? Why do I do this? Carrying that extra gun on the ankle is comfortable (I literally forget it's there) and easy to conceal. Whereas an extra magazine is bulky and takes extra care to conceal. Hell, lots of times the .38 is my primary for a grand total of 5 rounds. Once again, I could say you're a nutjob if you feel the need for more than 5 rounds but I'm not a elitist prick (not that you are.) I know you are correct in that there are folks out there with some twisted fantasy of wanting to bringing down the guys in Heat. They'll be the first to cower or run when such a situation occurs so ignore them and avoid them. Just don't characterize every gun owner that is different from you into that category. Another advantage to the bug, in the method you carry that I forgot to cover was accessibility. Drawing from an ankle holster seated is often easier than trying to draw from the hip in the same position. |
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Should the head exam be required by law?
If non LEO or Security officers are carrying a secondary firearm while going about daily life they need to get their head examined. CCW for a private citizen is prudent. Carrying two firearms while going to the grocery store is a masturbatory fantasy. No it shouldn't. I just think the average citizen would be more than adequately armed with a Glock 19 and a secondary magazine. If you need more than 31 rounds to extricate yourself from a bad situation than you are probably doing something wrong. And no I don't think the number of guns should be the governments decision. Im just saying two handguns is overkill for an everyday joe. I have a M&P9c and a S&W 637 .38 on my ankle for a total of 18 rounds. I could posit that anything over 18 and you're doing something wrong. See how that works? Why do I do this? Carrying that extra gun on the ankle is comfortable (I literally forget it's there) and easy to conceal. Whereas an extra magazine is bulky and takes extra care to conceal. Hell, lots of times the .38 is my primary for a grand total of 5 rounds. Once again, I could say you're a nutjob if you feel the need for more than 5 rounds but I'm not a elitist prick (not that you are.) I know you are correct in that there are folks out there with some twisted fantasy of wanting to bringing down the guys in Heat. They'll be the first to cower or run when such a situation occurs so ignore them and avoid them. Just don't characterize every gun owner that is different from you into that category. You and I think alot alike. I have seen the baddest shit talking mofo in boot camp go U/A when it came time to do the real thing. I also agree that the odds of most non leo/security folks ever needing more than 5 rounds of 38 is pretty small. However if this concerns you as a non Leo/security and you feel the need for a bug don't forget to buy lotto tickets and be especially careful around lightning. edited for clarity. |
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. Ya, I did realize that. That is why the list is titled reasons to have a BUG, instead of reasons cops should have one. The same situations can arise no matter what your occupation happens to be. That is why I recommend BUG's for people who are willing to make the committment to them. Irregardless of profession. As to how many? I have no idea. Just like I have no idea how many cops have. However, every one of those things on the list applies to cops and ccw'ers alike. IF you don't want to carry one then don't. But saying there is no reason other than a hollywood shootout shows a severe lack of critical thinking and knowledge on the topic. As to your idiotic compton bullshit: IF that works for a BUG the same logic dictates you have no need to carry a gun at all. How many civilians have had to use the bug? That is the real question i was asking! And I answered it. Exactly! |
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. Ya, I did realize that. That is why the list is titled reasons to have a BUG, instead of reasons cops should have one. The same situations can arise no matter what your occupation happens to be. That is why I recommend BUG's for people who are willing to make the committment to them. Irregardless of profession. As to how many? I have no idea. Just like I have no idea how many cops have. However, every one of those things on the list applies to cops and ccw'ers alike. IF you don't want to carry one then don't. But saying there is no reason other than a hollywood shootout shows a severe lack of critical thinking and knowledge on the topic. As to your idiotic compton bullshit: IF that works for a BUG the same logic dictates you have no need to carry a gun at all. How many civilians have had to use the bug? That is the real question i was asking! And I answered it. Exactly! Are you assuming just because I can't whip out 37 examples at the drop of a hat it has never happened and my arguement is invalid? That is all you can come up with to counter my points? Debate ain't your strong point is it? ETA: WHile most if not all of his gunfights occurred in his place of business Lance Thomas used more than one gun in more than one gunfight. |