[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Libertarians (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 3/23/2010 12:37:33 PM EDT
No more of this nancy "conservative" bullshit. Its obviously done reeeeeal well for us thus far:
Nope...time to go libertarian! 
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I'm sure I'm in after the "every vote for the pot-smoking Libertarian party is a vote for Obama" group.
Because McCain would have been such a great conservative leader ETA - wow, I'm actually in before them? Their little fingers must be tired from all the other 3rd party bashing |
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I would love to see Libertarians start taking national elections.
I'm 100% on board with their ideas, except for legalizing drugs and totally opening the border. Also, a lot of them seem a tad childish on foreign relations. As of right now though I think they're our last chance to fix this place. |
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As a self-described libertarian, I can confidently state (with sadness) that most people don't really care much about anyone elses freedoms or aspirations, so long as they're content.
Hence the popularity of the two parties.. both of which seek to make life better for their followers at the expense of the rights of others. I can only hope that if people won't subscribe to the 'live and let live' philosophy based on morality, that they'll do it due to the realization that allowing others to live free is the only way to guarantee their own freedom... now and in the future. |
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I'm working on it.
Up until 2008 I would pull the "R" lever on anyone, just to beat the "D"s. I've given it a lot of thought over the last 15 months and come to the conclusion that some of the "R"s I've voted for weren't worth it. And not just because they lost. I'm done with that. I'm voting my conscience this Fall and until I drop over dead. I sure as frack won't vote for a "D" but I won't automatically vote for the "R" just because. |
Please list all the Senate or House seats or state offices currently held by Libertarians, 
Seriously, if the Libertarians want to be relevant they need to build a party from the ground up. Win some local races, them some state offices, then some seat in Congress. Unfortunately, Libertarians seem to think they can jump right to the highest offices despite having no record of any accomplishments to show to voters. That there is a real winning strategy. 
ETA: I find the use of George Washington in the OP's Libertarian poster rather humorous considering he marched the US army into western PA to collect taxes. |
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You want a Libertarian Congressman?
Start at the county level. When you progress to having a Libertarian state Governor, then you may get some credibility. Until then, your Libertarian vote may salve your concience, but it won't help the conservative cause one bit. I'm looking for a Republican who vocally endorses the Tea Party movement. |
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Please list all the Senate or House seats or state offices currently held by Libertarians,
Seriously, if the Libertarians want to be relevant they need to build a party from the ground up. Win some local races, them some state offices, then some seat in Congress. Unfortunately, Libertarians seem to think they can jump right to the highest offices despite having no record of any accomplishments to show to voters. That there is a real winning strategy.
And this is proof of... what? Congress has the lowest approval ratings in history right now. That's what the 2-party system bought us. You consider that an 'accomplishment'? The biggest stumbling block libertarians or other 3rd party candidates have to winning is the self-fulfilling belief that they can't win. I'm glad successful people in life don't think like the majority of voters. The 'cant be done' mentality doesn't get you very far. |
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Please list all the Senate or House seats or state offices currently held by Libertarians,
Seriously, if the Libertarians want to be relevant they need to build a party from the ground up. Win some local races, them some state offices, then some seat in Congress. Unfortunately, Libertarians seem to think they can jump right to the highest offices despite having no record of any accomplishments to show to voters. That there is a real winning strategy.
ETA: I find the use of George Washington in the OP's Libertarian poster rather humorous considering he marched the US army into western PA to collect taxes. People voted for Barack Obama because he claimed to be something new. Because of the failures of both parties over the last decade. No reason a new party can't do something similar. I'd pick a politician with no record of anything political over any of our current leaders. |
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Please list all the Senate or House seats or state offices currently held by Libertarians,
Seriously, if the Libertarians want to be relevant they need to build a party from the ground up. Win some local races, them some state offices, then some seat in Congress. Unfortunately, Libertarians seem to think they can jump right to the highest offices despite having no record of any accomplishments to show to voters. That there is a real winning strategy.
And this is proof of... what? Congress has the lowest approval ratings in history right now. That's what the 2-party system bought us. You consider that an 'accomplishment'? The biggest stumbling block libertarians or other 3rd party candidates have to winning is the self-fulfilling belief that they can't win. I'm glad successful people in life don't think like the majority of voters. The Libertarian Party promotes its plans to change America, yet can point to NO accomplishments. Their entire strategy is "trust us, we'll do better." They cannot even point to their methods working in a single county in America. Not one county. Their "plan" is the very definition of unproven. They cannot win because they don't even really try. Instead of running a candidate for President, they need to run for county boards, city councils, etc. Build a record of actually DOING something. There is NOTHING they can point to to back up their claims. NOTHING. |
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Libertarian is the thinking mans party... and we will "get off the ground" even with the pathetic "waste of a vote" complaints. we have to... look at what the two clown parties have done so far... AMEN, i voted my conscience this time around and voted 3rd party, guess what? Mccain still won georgia, but my family still blames me for Obama 
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Congressional races are so rigged it's not even funny. The one thing that Democrats and Republicans can agree on is that it would be bad for them both if a third party had a chance.
Libertarians do take a crack at higher office to get the message out, but it's been their policy for years to concentrate on the small stuff. School boards, city councilmen, small town mayors, etc. Libertarian since the late 90's. |
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Please list all the Senate or House seats or state offices currently held by Libertarians,
Seriously, if the Libertarians want to be relevant they need to build a party from the ground up. Win some local races, them some state offices, then some seat in Congress. Unfortunately, Libertarians seem to think they can jump right to the highest offices despite having no record of any accomplishments to show to voters. That there is a real winning strategy.
And this is proof of... what? Congress has the lowest approval ratings in history right now. That's what the 2-party system bought us. You consider that an 'accomplishment'? The biggest stumbling block libertarians or other 3rd party candidates have to winning is the self-fulfilling belief that they can't win. I'm glad successful people in life don't think like the majority of voters. The Libertarian Party promotes its plans to change America, yet can point to NO accomplishments. Their entire strategy is "trust us, we'll do better." They cannot even point to their methods working in a single county in America. Not one county. Their "plan" is the very definition of unproven. They cannot win because they don't even really try. Instead of running a candidate for President, they need to run for county boards, city councils, etc. Build a record of actually DOING something. There is NOTHING they can point to to back up their claims. NOTHING. Their record of "doing nothing" sure as hell beats the R's and D's record of doing massive damage to the Republic. I'll go with the unproven guys over the experienced statists any day. The votes cast for a 3rd party will not ensure a progressive victory; on the contrary, it's the votes cast for the same old corrupt RINO's that will ensure the progressive's victory. That is why we're screwed, but take a step back and think real hard about who voted for liberty and who didn't. |
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Please list all the Senate or House seats or state offices currently held by Libertarians,
Seriously, if the Libertarians want to be relevant they need to build a party from the ground up. Win some local races, them some state offices, then some seat in Congress. Unfortunately, Libertarians seem to think they can jump right to the highest offices despite having no record of any accomplishments to show to voters. That there is a real winning strategy.
And this is proof of... what? Congress has the lowest approval ratings in history right now. That's what the 2-party system bought us. You consider that an 'accomplishment'? The biggest stumbling block libertarians or other 3rd party candidates have to winning is the self-fulfilling belief that they can't win. I'm glad successful people in life don't think like the majority of voters. The Libertarian Party promotes its plans to change America, yet can point to NO accomplishments. Their entire strategy is "trust us, we'll do better." They cannot even point to their methods working in a single county in America. Not one county. Their "plan" is the very definition of unproven. They cannot win because they don't even really try. Instead of running a candidate for President, they need to run for county boards, city councils, etc. Build a record of actually DOING something. There is NOTHING they can point to to back up their claims. NOTHING. Methods? Accomplishments? I'm not looking for a party that has a 'plan' for America. I'm looking for a party that focuses on the freedoms we're guaranteed by the constitution, and lets us do the work of defining our nation's direction. If you give people the means to live their lives in a free and self-fulfilling manner, the 'plan' works itself out in the wash. What accomplishments have the reds & blues achieved over time? The way I see it, they've legislated us into the ground. The America we have today is a joke compared to what the framers of the constitution envisioned. Framers which, by the way, didn't have much to show in the way of 'accomplishments'. |
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So...where are these Libertarians in State legislature, and what bills have they crafted and garnered enough support to pass into state law? Post some examples, please. So your argument is that the libertarians haven't passed enough legislation???? LOL. I think you're missing the point of the party entirely. |
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Quoted: Conservatives: People who are upset with Socialists, but too afraid of cursing to tell them to "fuck off." Libertarians: People who are pissed off at Socialists and willing to rock the boat to get this country on track. Libertarians: People who have no clue how to turn good ideas into political success. BTW, I voted Libertarian for years and almost joined the party, before I realized that most of their candidates were kooks of the highest order. |
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Please list all the Senate or House seats or state offices currently held by Libertarians,
Seriously, if the Libertarians want to be relevant they need to build a party from the ground up. Win some local races, them some state offices, then some seat in Congress. Unfortunately, Libertarians seem to think they can jump right to the highest offices despite having no record of any accomplishments to show to voters. That there is a real winning strategy.
And this is proof of... what? Congress has the lowest approval ratings in history right now. That's what the 2-party system bought us. You consider that an 'accomplishment'? The biggest stumbling block libertarians or other 3rd party candidates have to winning is the self-fulfilling belief that they can't win. I'm glad successful people in life don't think like the majority of voters. The Libertarian Party promotes its plans to change America, yet can point to NO accomplishments. Their entire strategy is "trust us, we'll do better." They cannot even point to their methods working in a single county in America. Not one county. Their "plan" is the very definition of unproven. They cannot win because they don't even really try. Instead of running a candidate for President, they need to run for county boards, city councils, etc. Build a record of actually DOING something. There is NOTHING they can point to to back up their claims. NOTHING. Methods? Accomplishments? I'm not looking for a party that has a 'plan' for America. I'm looking for a party that focuses on the freedoms we're guaranteed by the constitution, and lets us do the work of defining our nation's direction. If you give people the means to live their lives in a free and self-fulfilling manner, the 'plan' works itself out in the wash. What accomplishments have the reds & blues achieved over time? The way I see it, they've legislated us into the ground. The America we have today is a joke compared to what the framers of the constitution envisioned. Framers which, by the way, didn't have much to show in the way of 'accomplishments'. So in other words you cannot point to a single tangible accomplishment that Libertarians have made to enhance freedom. But they sure talk a good game. Did you hear they took "gullible" out of the dictionary? |
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Conservatives: People who are upset with Socialists, but too afraid of cursing to tell them to "fuck off." Libertarians: People who are pissed off at Socialists and willing to rock the boat to get this country on track. Libertarians: People who have no clue how to turn good ideas into political success. BTW, I voted Libertarian for years and almost joined the party, before I realized that most of their candidates were kooks of the highest order. Kooky in a patriot act sort of way? Or an amnesty sort of way? Or how about a NAFTA sort of way?
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LOL I'm libertarian leaning but I don't favor legalizing marijuana or gay marriage and I've been registered as a Republican the majority of the years, that I've been voting since I was naturalized and I always vote Republican if it's anywhere to close on a vote unless it's clearly a Rhino. I've only voted L a handful of times in my life because I only do if it's totally gaurenteed liberals and Democrats have absolutely no shot of winning the election or the the issues on the ballot.
From what I can see New Hampshire has more dedicated Liberatarians than I could ever be and although I understand where you're coming from and generally agree with you OP, I still envy the libertarians in NH, well until all the liberals poured in from Boston and took it over. 
I think you're overlooking "independents" and "moderate Republicans" of which there are far more than libertarians. Take a look at the #s sometime. 
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I'm a constitutional conservative. And proud of it. I respect a great deal of libertarian thought and certainly align myself much more closely with their ideals than with the Left. However, the only way to combat the immediate threat from the left is to work at the local level and elevate true conservatives into the Republican Party ranks. Yes, splitting the vote, third party candidates and 'non-votes' aid the enemy. I realize you're frustrated but your token measures only harm your own cause.
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So...where are these Libertarians in State legislature, and what bills have they crafted and garnered enough support to pass into state law? Post some examples, please. Uh, you do realize Libertarians favor less laws, right? Uh, you do realize that to increase our freedoms bad laws need to be REPEALED. You repeal a bad law by... wait for it... passing a new law. That's okay. You probably slept through all your civics classes. |
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Please list all the Senate or House seats or state offices currently held by Libertarians,
Seriously, if the Libertarians want to be relevant they need to build a party from the ground up. Win some local races, them some state offices, then some seat in Congress. Unfortunately, Libertarians seem to think they can jump right to the highest offices despite having no record of any accomplishments to show to voters. That there is a real winning strategy.
And this is proof of... what? Congress has the lowest approval ratings in history right now. That's what the 2-party system bought us. You consider that an 'accomplishment'? The biggest stumbling block libertarians or other 3rd party candidates have to winning is the self-fulfilling belief that they can't win. I'm glad successful people in life don't think like the majority of voters. The Libertarian Party promotes its plans to change America, yet can point to NO accomplishments. Their entire strategy is "trust us, we'll do better." They cannot even point to their methods working in a single county in America. Not one county. Their "plan" is the very definition of unproven. They cannot win because they don't even really try. Instead of running a candidate for President, they need to run for county boards, city councils, etc. Build a record of actually DOING something. There is NOTHING they can point to to back up their claims. NOTHING. Methods? Accomplishments? I'm not looking for a party that has a 'plan' for America. I'm looking for a party that focuses on the freedoms we're guaranteed by the constitution, and lets us do the work of defining our nation's direction. If you give people the means to live their lives in a free and self-fulfilling manner, the 'plan' works itself out in the wash. What accomplishments have the reds & blues achieved over time? The way I see it, they've legislated us into the ground. The America we have today is a joke compared to what the framers of the constitution envisioned. Framers which, by the way, didn't have much to show in the way of 'accomplishments'. So in other words you cannot point to a single tangible accomplishment that Libertarians have made to enhance freedom. But they sure talk a good game. Did you hear they took "gullible" out of the dictionary? It's awfully hard to accomplish anything when you don't have enough people in office to make a difference. On the flip side, boy those Dem's and Repub's are doing a bang up job of enhancing our freedom, right? |
you guys that are hard core republican voters realize that they don't offer any real conservative don't you. i voted R ever since i could vote and look at our country, the repubs had 8 years to get things done and they dropped the ball. the media ate that up and hammered W for the long haul, W took the high road and never came out fighting. the Independents went for the O because he could speak well and had really snazzy slogans, also he wasn't W or anything like him. what would have happened if republicans had stood their ground and to there principles, they stuck McCain out there, he looked and sounded tired. people by nature want someone that doesn't look like they are fixing to kill over. i'm in no way defending Obama, he is the wrong choice at any and ever level. the dems got united and we got divided, it's that easy. now that the "Tea party" movement is gaining steam, the same old sell out republicans are trying to wave them off, with all the same talk it, will make us two parties BS. i'll vote R again when they produce a real conservative to run for president. i vote pro life and pro second amendment first, after that i'll listen to what they have to say. ok republicans who's your conservative guy/gal ? i'll listen 
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Please list all the Senate or House seats or state offices currently held by Libertarians,
Seriously, if the Libertarians want to be relevant they need to build a party from the ground up. Win some local races, them some state offices, then some seat in Congress. Unfortunately, Libertarians seem to think they can jump right to the highest offices despite having no record of any accomplishments to show to voters. That there is a real winning strategy.
And this is proof of... what? Congress has the lowest approval ratings in history right now. That's what the 2-party system bought us. You consider that an 'accomplishment'? The biggest stumbling block libertarians or other 3rd party candidates have to winning is the self-fulfilling belief that they can't win. I'm glad successful people in life don't think like the majority of voters. The Libertarian Party promotes its plans to change America, yet can point to NO accomplishments. Their entire strategy is "trust us, we'll do better." They cannot even point to their methods working in a single county in America. Not one county. Their "plan" is the very definition of unproven. They cannot win because they don't even really try. Instead of running a candidate for President, they need to run for county boards, city councils, etc. Build a record of actually DOING something. There is NOTHING they can point to to back up their claims. NOTHING. Methods? Accomplishments? I'm not looking for a party that has a 'plan' for America. I'm looking for a party that focuses on the freedoms we're guaranteed by the constitution, and lets us do the work of defining our nation's direction. If you give people the means to live their lives in a free and self-fulfilling manner, the 'plan' works itself out in the wash. What accomplishments have the reds & blues achieved over time? The way I see it, they've legislated us into the ground. The America we have today is a joke compared to what the framers of the constitution envisioned. Framers which, by the way, didn't have much to show in the way of 'accomplishments'. So in other words you cannot point to a single tangible accomplishment that Libertarians have made to enhance freedom. But they sure talk a good game. Did you hear they took "gullible" out of the dictionary? Once your needle gets stuck in a groove, you have a really hard time playing the rest of the song, don't you? Don't worry about it then. Just keep voting republican. It's obvious their 'accomplishments' are good enough for you. |
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LOL I'm libertarian leaning but I don't favor legalizing marijuana or gay marriage and I've been registered as a Republican the majority of the years, that I've been voting since I was naturalized and I always vote Republican if it's anywhere to close on a vote unless it's clearly a Rhino. I've only voted L a handful of times in my life because I only do if it's totally gaurenteed liberals and Democrats have absolutely no shot of winning the election or the the issues on the ballot. No offense... but you're pretty much the sum of everything that's wrong with American voters in general. |
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So...where are these Libertarians in State legislature, and what bills have they crafted and garnered enough support to pass into state law? Post some examples, please. Uh, you do realize Libertarians favor less laws, right? Uh, you do realize that to increase our freedoms bad laws need to be REPEALED. You repeal a bad law by... wait for it... passing a new law. That's okay. You probably slept through all your civics classes. Ah, so 1 or 2 Libertarian Congressmen are able to pass laws against the objections of the majority R's and D's? Got it. I feel bad for sleeping through civics, should've taken the short bus with you and got edumacated. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Conservatives: People who are upset with Socialists, but too afraid of cursing to tell them to "fuck off." Libertarians: People who are pissed off at Socialists and willing to rock the boat to get this country on track. Libertarians: People who have no clue how to turn good ideas into political success. BTW, I voted Libertarian for years and almost joined the party, before I realized that most of their candidates were kooks of the highest order. Kooky in a patriot act sort of way? Or an amnesty sort of way? Or how about a NAFTA sort of way? How about arrested repeated times for reckless driving, brandishing his concealed weapon without justification, not paying his taxes, and all around asshattery sort of way? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Schanze
If the Utah Libertarian Party had any sense they'd never let him attach his name to their party ever again, but they won't because too many of them are laboring under the delusion that the voters appreciate such behavior. |
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Please list all the Senate or House seats or state offices currently held by Libertarians,
Seriously, if the Libertarians want to be relevant they need to build a party from the ground up. Win some local races, them some state offices, then some seat in Congress. Unfortunately, Libertarians seem to think they can jump right to the highest offices despite having no record of any accomplishments to show to voters. That there is a real winning strategy.
ETA: I find the use of George Washington in the OP's Libertarian poster rather humorous considering he marched the US army into western PA to collect taxes. 1 - (that I know of - Ron Paul) I think libertarians should start to use the republican machine the way socialists used the democrat political machine. I agree with you on the libertarians having a strange fixation on the presidency instead of building bottom up. I agree with you on George Washington. I did a face palm. |
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I agree that the Republican Party is rife with rinos. What I propose is a bottom-up purge of that apparatus. A gradual movement of the Republican Party towards constitutional values while gaining power through the elective process is a much more feasible plan than trying to steer the course of our 305,000,000 person nation with a handful of Libertarians. If you are concerned about your agenda then I URGE you to do something about it. Feel free to steer the party of the right on the track you seek. But don't cause divisiveness at a time when WE are on our heels and holding on to the enemy by their belt. |
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nancy "conservative" bullshit 
Libertarian means: Drugs, gay marriage, anti-Christian ect? Sounds too Progressive . I'm a Christian, never even smoked marijuana (think it should be legal) and think gay marriage should be a state issue. Pro-gun, pro-life, pro-military, pro-low taxes, pro-personal responsibility - should we be enemies? |