This New Pyramid Theory Explains the Missing Evidence, the pyramids weren’t built, they were unbuilt (Page 2 of 2)
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Absolutely. They had "cranes." It was nothing more complex than a lever, on a stand, with guys and ropes at one end and a heavy load at the other. Make a lever long enough and I can move the world. Don't think that ancient people were primitive. Imagine the amount of brainpower it takes to learn to flake stone. When I was an archaeologist, I took a class on it (in Zzyzzx, CA!). It's hard. I sucked. I still have what I made. Then move on to simple metal work. Copper axes, then bronze, finally iron. People building monumental architecture while they murdered each other with spears and bows. Metalwork progresses through Corinthian armor to the Romans using lorica segmentata, as well as chain armor, scale, etc. Stop and imagine what it requires for someone to invent 4-in-1 chain armor, or any of the other variations. That's just a microscopic picture of the innovations going on at that time. The Greeks invented Atomic Theory, they were just wrong about it. By the turn of BC to AD, people were using every hand tool you can possibly imagine today. I can show you diagrams of spring-pole lathes being used over a thousand years ago. We haven't invented. We've innovated. Everything you think someone invented, someone else did before. Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the Earth to within 10% before your religion was created. Archimedes almost invented Calculus 1900 years before Newton, being prevented by an idiot Roman soldier (as the story goes). Just look at the Antikythera Mechanism, or any of the other marvelous inventions of 2000-3000 years ago. It's mind-boggling. Everyone sees father when they stand on the shoulders of giants. The Watchers |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Absolutely. They had "cranes." It was nothing more complex than a lever, on a stand, with guys and ropes at one end and a heavy load at the other. Make a lever long enough and I can move the world. Don't think that ancient people were primitive. Imagine the amount of brainpower it takes to learn to flake stone. When I was an archaeologist, I took a class on it (in Zzyzzx, CA!). It's hard. I sucked. I still have what I made. Then move on to simple metal work. Copper axes, then bronze, finally iron. People building monumental architecture while they murdered each other with spears and bows. Metalwork progresses through Corinthian armor to the Romans using lorica segmentata, as well as chain armor, scale, etc. Stop and imagine what it requires for someone to invent 4-in-1 chain armor, or any of the other variations. That's just a microscopic picture of the innovations going on at that time. The Greeks invented Atomic Theory, they were just wrong about it. By the turn of BC to AD, people were using every hand tool you can possibly imagine today. I can show you diagrams of spring-pole lathes being used over a thousand years ago. We haven't invented. We've innovated. Everything you think someone invented, someone else did before. Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the Earth to within 10% before your religion was created. Archimedes almost invented Calculus 1900 years before Newton, being prevented by an idiot Roman soldier (as the story goes). Just look at the Antikythera Mechanism, or any of the other marvelous inventions of 2000-3000 years ago. It's mind-boggling. Everyone sees father when they stand on the shoulders of giants. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By sq40: A portal crane or gantry crane would be a valuable tool. Could a wooden or metal version with block and tackle have been possible back then? Something at a scale to build a pyramid? Absolutely. They had "cranes." It was nothing more complex than a lever, on a stand, with guys and ropes at one end and a heavy load at the other. Make a lever long enough and I can move the world. Don't think that ancient people were primitive. Imagine the amount of brainpower it takes to learn to flake stone. When I was an archaeologist, I took a class on it (in Zzyzzx, CA!). It's hard. I sucked. I still have what I made. Then move on to simple metal work. Copper axes, then bronze, finally iron. People building monumental architecture while they murdered each other with spears and bows. Metalwork progresses through Corinthian armor to the Romans using lorica segmentata, as well as chain armor, scale, etc. Stop and imagine what it requires for someone to invent 4-in-1 chain armor, or any of the other variations. That's just a microscopic picture of the innovations going on at that time. The Greeks invented Atomic Theory, they were just wrong about it. By the turn of BC to AD, people were using every hand tool you can possibly imagine today. I can show you diagrams of spring-pole lathes being used over a thousand years ago. We haven't invented. We've innovated. Everything you think someone invented, someone else did before. Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the Earth to within 10% before your religion was created. Archimedes almost invented Calculus 1900 years before Newton, being prevented by an idiot Roman soldier (as the story goes). Just look at the Antikythera Mechanism, or any of the other marvelous inventions of 2000-3000 years ago. It's mind-boggling. Everyone sees father when they stand on the shoulders of giants. I *think* our biggest problem as a species is that we are consummate recyclers. It’s amazing any tools, metal items, etc, has survived from even 500 years ago. There could have been cast iron rail and carts moving things to the pyramid sites, and they would have long been scavenged and reused a hundred times over. The “worthless” stuff may not get reused, but anything like metals will certainly be, unless it was just plain list and hidden away. A few thousand years from now archeologists will only find 10mm sockets. 
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Originally Posted By Oldgold: All I know is I’ve tried moving a heavy piece of farm equipment on wood rollers. Pulling it with a tractor. The rollers were pressed into the dirt and didn’t work worth a crap. They may have used waterways for a lot of it? https://theconversation.com/we-mapped-a-lost-branch-of-the-nile-river-which-may-be-the-key-to-a-longstanding-mystery-of-the-pyramids-230092 |
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Originally Posted By sq40: They may have used waterways for a lot of it? https://theconversation.com/we-mapped-a-lost-branch-of-the-nile-river-which-may-be-the-key-to-a-longstanding-mystery-of-the-pyramids-230092 Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Oldgold: All I know is I've tried moving a heavy piece of farm equipment on wood rollers. Pulling it with a tractor. The rollers were pressed into the dirt and didn't work worth a crap. They may have used waterways for a lot of it? https://theconversation.com/we-mapped-a-lost-branch-of-the-nile-river-which-may-be-the-key-to-a-longstanding-mystery-of-the-pyramids-230092 Some of the massive red granite statues used stone quarried from over 600km away, at a quarry that was downstream from Giza. They would have had to somehow move a 1,000+ ton block of granite upriver using a small wooden boat with oars. Good luck with that. I think there's a big clue in the hieroglyphics: they only show smaller blocks being moved. If they were moving gigantic connex-sized blocks around, you'd think they would document that because it's an astonishing achievement that shows the greatness of the Egyptian culture. The simple answer is the big stuff was already there, that's why they don't have records of it. |
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Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: I always laugh at the "roll them on logs" folks. What damn logs? There are no suitable trees in that part of the world. The Egyptians were a major power. They had trade with other powers via the Nile and the Mediterranean. Anything that could not be sourced locally, like lumber, could be acquired through commerce. |
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The video is interesting, it has a certain "logic" about it. I have always wondered, if copper tools were used...how much copper would it take? Mining, transporting, smelting and all the resources to complete that process? Imagine how much wood it would take? As far as a large population to do the work goes...food, water, keeping the workers happy, injuries, a shorter life span, disease, death, etc. the numbers don't make sense. The resources to "pay" the workers. Just imagine how much "primitive" farming it would take to feed the work crews? I can only imagine all the people dying due to silicosis alone would be staggering. Throw in the time to complete one of these projects, yet they seem to have been completed rather quickly. Moving even two or three ton stones would be a challenge based on our knowledge of that era. Today, we don't have cranes that can move some of the stone the ancients used. (The Saturn V rocket was moved in sections and assembled by special gantry cranes, each section weighed an average of 500 tons). However they did it, it must have been well organized and very efficient. We make the mistake of thinking we are smarter than the ancients, they definitely had their own versions of Tesla and Einstein. |
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Originally Posted By Oldgold: All I know is I’ve tried moving a heavy piece of farm equipment on wood rollers. Pulling it with a tractor. The rollers were pressed into the dirt and didn’t work worth a crap. Wood rollers are a red herring. The proper way to use wood when moving heavy stuff is to treat them like hardfacing on an excavator bucket, you bury the logs to provide support in the sand, wet the sand and it provides a better surface to drag block over. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: ..... Which begs the question how you would make a bunch of identical stone spheres out of that material...yet we know someone, at some time, was capable of working it to a ridiculous level of precision... I think a ton of "impossible/unexplained" things can be quickly and easily explained by allowing steel and even crude gears to exist. That's not really reaching far, either. The information that was around regarding technology in Egypt didn't survive, while the Ethopian churches did, built not even 1000 years ago but still amazing to dig this out while keeping the faces "pretty flat", not the surface plate flat to a ten thousandth with mirror finish of the Egyptian boxes at places like Saqqara 1100 A.D.: 
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Originally Posted By sq40: A full grown african elephant can pull around 6.5tons all by itself. Egyptians used iron and perhaps primitive steel. Making a sled wouldn't be too hard. Chain either. Just add a yoke. Official Egpytian® history has only copper as their hardest metal. Bending on that point would change a lot, and would still be entirely ground up and/or dissolved away, though they found some copper tools in the area which makes it obvious they had nothing harder than copper. |
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Originally Posted By sq40: A full grown african elephant can pull around 6.5tons all by itself. Egyptians used iron and perhaps primitive steel. Making a sled wouldn't be too hard. Chain either. Just add a yoke. They started using iron a couple thousand years after all the cool megalithic work was done, according to the official timeline. They had metorite iron that they used for ceremonial stuff, but there is no evidence of iron tools before 500ish BC. |
Guy has been on JRE a few times. Doesn't answer the question but shows and discusses a lot of the issues with the logistics of moving giant stones (In Peru). Thought the modern comparison was interesting.  HOW were 80 ton granite blocks moved 10km in the Andes? Join me as we take a deep dive into an incredible ancient logistic achievement - quarrying and moving the huge granite blocks of Ollantaytambo around 10 kilometers across the Andes Mountains in the Sacred Valley of Peru! Known as the 'Tired Stones,' these massive blocks can be found in the high, steep slopes of the quarry, and all along the route to the amazing megalithic 'sun temple' of Ollantaytambo. Seemingly abandoned along the route, how these were moved in this unrelenting, high altitude, steep terrain, and why they're there, is a huge mystery. Over the last year I've been investigating these stones, and trying to decipher the story they're telling us about the catastrophic history of human civilization…. 1:00 Introduction, Ollantaytambo overview 8:27 Megalithic Roots of OTT, Granite Ashlars 12:01 3 Layers and Styles of Architecture 15:33 Granite finishing/polishing, erosion, small details 25:01 Granite source, tired stones 33:21 Quarry hike 47:14 Logistics, River crossing, more tired stones, scoop marks 55:55 Modern comparison 59:14 Conclusion, thanks, photoshops lol |
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Originally Posted By Herc: They started using iron a couple thousand years after all the cool megalithic work was done, according to the official timeline. They had metorite iron that they used for ceremonial stuff, but there is no evidence of iron tools before 500ish BC. Originally Posted By Herc: Originally Posted By sq40: A full grown african elephant can pull around 6.5tons all by itself. Egyptians used iron and perhaps primitive steel. Making a sled wouldn't be too hard. Chain either. Just add a yoke. They started using iron a couple thousand years after all the cool megalithic work was done, according to the official timeline. They had metorite iron that they used for ceremonial stuff, but there is no evidence of iron tools before 500ish BC. Could copper make a viable sled? |
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Originally Posted By Herc: They started using iron a couple thousand years after all the cool megalithic work was done, according to the official timeline. They had metorite iron that they used for ceremonial stuff, but there is no evidence of iron tools before 500ish BC. Originally Posted By Herc: Originally Posted By sq40: A full grown african elephant can pull around 6.5tons all by itself. Egyptians used iron and perhaps primitive steel. Making a sled wouldn't be too hard. Chain either. Just add a yoke. They started using iron a couple thousand years after all the cool megalithic work was done, according to the official timeline. They had metorite iron that they used for ceremonial stuff, but there is no evidence of iron tools before 500ish BC. Maybe they didn't realize they had to keep oil on the iron lest it turn to dust? Seriously, could be something that simple, I've seen what nature can do to a Lodge cast iron pan in 50 years, something uncoated and unseasoned wouldn't stand a chance to be discovered if over 2500 years old. |
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https://allthatsinteresting.com/when-was-the-great-pyramid-of-giza-built |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: What's missing is any evidence that the Egyptians had a boat big enough to carry the larger stones, and they'd still have to lift the stone from where it was quarried, move it to the boat, place it on the boat, then reverse the process once they got where they were going. Just saying "they moved the stones with boats" leaves a lot of problems still without explanation. Some of the massive red granite statues used stone quarried from over 600km away, at a quarry that was downstream from Giza. They would have had to somehow move a 1,000+ ton block of granite upriver using a small wooden boat with oars. Good luck with that. I think there's a big clue in the hieroglyphics: they only show smaller blocks being moved. If they were moving gigantic connex-sized blocks around, you'd think they would document that because it's an astonishing achievement that shows the greatness of the Egyptian culture. The simple answer is the big stuff was already there, that's why they don't have records of it. I think you're underestimating Egyptian boat technology. Khufu's first solar ship was almost 150 feet long and 20 wide, and that was for a ceremonial vessel. They had sails as well, not just oars. Some of the best evidence we have about the building of the pyramids wasn't found that long ago, and it was papyri listing loads, boats, and crews being used to bring materials to Giza. |
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