[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Bug Out Guns (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/2/2011 7:13:35 PM EDT
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I know we all have our arsenals at home and i've seen people post all of there guns and knives along with there bug out bags in the weapons pic thread, but realistically we all know we cant take every gun we own on the road. So if you had to leave your house during Z-day or a SHTF situation what weapons are going with you? If you plan to take a whole vehicle full of guns what goes on your person if you have to walk? If you plan on taking more than 1 pistol and 1 long gun how will you carry them? How much ammo are you planning on carrying?
Just curious how much weight in guns and ammo people plan on lugging around. If you already have 30 pounds of gear, water, and food on your back even a few extra pounds can seem like alot. I myself plan to carry my AR and XDM-9 and my wife will have her AR and FNX-9. I've toyed with the idea of wanting to take a shotgun and shells, but i have yet to carry an additional long guns around and it be comfortable or worth the extra 10 pounds on my back. |
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I know we all have our arsenals at home and i've seen people post all of there guns and knives along with there bug out bags in the weapons pic thread, but realistically we all know we cant take every gun we own on the road. So if you had to leave your house during Z-day or a SHTF situation what weapons are going with you? If you plan to take a whole vehicle full of guns what goes on your person if you have to walk? If you plan on taking more than 1 pistol and 1 long gun how will you carry them? How much ammo are you planning on carrying? Just curious how much weight in guns and ammo people plan on lugging around. If you already have 30 pounds of gear, water, and food on your back even a few extra pounds can seem like alot. I myself plan to carry my AR and XDM-9 and my wife will have her AR and FNX-9. I've toyed with the idea of wanting to take a shotgun and shells, but i have yet to carry an additional long guns around and it be comfortable or worth the extra 10 pounds on my back. It's the end of the world... If your worried about comfort... I think you have a lot more things to worry about than an additional gun... Just sayin... |
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I know we all have our arsenals at home and i've seen people post all of there guns and knives along with there bug out bags in the weapons pic thread, but realistically we all know we cant take every gun we own on the road. So if you had to leave your house during Z-day or a SHTF situation what weapons are going with you? If you plan to take a whole vehicle full of guns what goes on your person if you have to walk? If you plan on taking more than 1 pistol and 1 long gun how will you carry them? How much ammo are you planning on carrying? Just curious how much weight in guns and ammo people plan on lugging around. If you already have 30 pounds of gear, water, and food on your back even a few extra pounds can seem like alot. I myself plan to carry my AR and XDM-9 and my wife will have her AR and FNX-9. I've toyed with the idea of wanting to take a shotgun and shells, but i have yet to carry an additional long guns around and it be comfortable or worth the extra 10 pounds on my back. It's the end of the world... If your worried about comfort... I think you have a lot more things to worry about than an additional gun... Just sayin... Yes i do... A wife and child. |
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would love to take whatever is in the vehicle, but guess that depends on if there is a strongpoint within sight, or if a long walk or run is ahead of me. if not super far ill try to take as much as i can and either discard it on the way, or stash it on the way and hopefully can come back to it later.
Would take all the primary ammo i could for my ak, and i guess my .45 and .40 pistols, and a shotgun and bag of shells but that gotta be close to 40 lbs give or take. before adding food or water. think id have a first aid kit, water and purification means, thermal blanket, matches, some kind of rations, a book to pass the time, or whatever passes for tp. my kabar, and something a little bigger for close quarters, got a alminum bat , but rather have something choppy instead. I used to have a gladius, that would have been just right. and a slim jim for getting into cars when you dont want to smash and grab to avoid noise. a flashlight or two, and maybe a rain parka, fishing line and lure. im sure i forgot something, and would discard/stash weapons i guess which i had the least amount of ammo for as i went. IF possible at a secured place i stayed the night, in case i had to make my way back there. I do realize that most of thats a pipe dream. but the thought is nice. I have a backpack and a duffel, not the most ideal things for this kind of trek. I guess good enough till i find something better, I have a cloth vest that holds 6 rifle mags and 24 shotgun shells and could hold pistol mags or a couple boxes of ammo on the other pouches sewn on. its large enough to fit over any clothing i have, might take a walkie talkie if i run across some or a survival radio with the odd chance of picking up a live broadcast, though i think some of them will be a ambush of false hope. |
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It's the end of the world... If your worried about comfort... I think you have a lot more things to worry about than an additional gun... Just sayin... Comfort is an issue, regardless of how ended the world is. You can't just load up on infinite shit and start hoofing it. There's such a thing as too much. When hauling ass in the face of the zombie apocalypse, you have to develop an overall load-out that is both comfortable to carry and effective in as broad a situation as possible. You have to limit yourself in what you bring, as you REQUIRE the ability to move over long distances as quick as possible. Overloading yourself will slow you down, then you become zombie chow. You have to choose wisely. Case in point: I love my shotgun. It's versatile and effective. Buckshot can take out enemy targets with some serious authority. Slugs if I were to encounter a pissed off bear (rare, but it happens). Birdshot can keep me fed. Alas, 12ga rounds have a lot of lead. They're bulky and rather difficult to carry in large amounts. The best setup I've managed carries just over 2 dozen shells, but reloading becomes very difficult (double sided shotshell cards in 2 AR doublemag pouches). Well, screw that. As much as I prefer the knockdown power of my Remington 870, I can hold 120 rounds of 5.56 in the same space as 24 12ga. Plus, reloads are much faster. My AR-15 is set up to be a relatively effective close-quarters rifle (18" barrel, TLR-1, fixed ACE skeleton stock, BUIS), but also has a canted scope for making longer-range shots, and soon a bipod. It's not as quick and small as most AR's, but it fills more roles and I'm comfortable with it. It's the rifle I'd carry if I had to haul ass. My sidearm, simply due to reloading capacity, would be my 1911. My only other option would be my 6" S&W 686-6. I would keep that in a pack, as I like the option of having a firearm that doesn't need a separate magazine. In the chaos of combat reloading, how often do you have time to pocket your empty magazine? Usually it's drop, slam in the fresh mag, and keep going. The revolver is slower to reload, but all I need is bullets to throw into it. If I lose the magazines for my 1911, it suddenly becomes a very unwieldy single-shot. |
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My system is a lot like a cold weather system. I built it in layers to handle many different situations. -Carbine + 300 rounds in p-mags + 300 rounds on strippers in my ruck. -Rem 870 Bungied to my armpit + 24 shells on vest + 76 shells in ruck. -FNP-.45 drop leg + 5 - 15 round mags + 125 rounds in mine and my wife's ruck. -Cold Steel's Brooklyn Crusher (polypropylene baseball bat) held in a molle shotgun scabbard attatched to pack while loaded down -Blackhawk! XSF-1 knife attached to drop leg platform -Kevlar lined-hard knukled gloves This doesn't include my shelter, clothing, food, other tools (heaviest part of kit), what my wife carries, and most importantly, the water. It ain't easy, but I train with it all the time. Humping an 80-100 pound pack as far as you can in a couple of days gives you a certain sense of accomplisment now, and an ability to sustain when you really need to. Needless to say, I won't be bringing my guitar. |
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Quoted: My system is a lot like a cold weather system. I built it in layers to handle many different situations. -Carbine + 300 rounds in p-mags + 300 rounds on strippers in my ruck. -Rem 870 Bungied to my armpit + 24 shells on vest + 76 shells in ruck. -FNP-.45 drop leg + 5 - 15 round mags + 125 rounds in mine and my wife's ruck. -Cold Steel's Brooklyn Crusher (polypropylene baseball bat) held in a molle shotgun scabbard attatched to pack while loaded down -Blackhawk! XSF-1 knife attached to drop leg platform -Kevlar lined-hard knukled gloves This doesn't include my shelter, clothing, food, other tools (heaviest part of kit), what my wife carries, and most importantly, the water. It ain't easy, but I train with it all the time. Humping an 80-100 pound pack as far as you can in a couple of days gives you a certain sense of accomplisment now, and an ability to sustain when you really need to. Needless to say, I won't be bringing my guitar. Then you sir will most assuredly perish in the post apocalyptic world... |
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Quoted: Quoted: My system is a lot like a cold weather system. I built it in layers to handle many different situations. -Carbine + 300 rounds in p-mags + 300 rounds on strippers in my ruck. -Rem 870 Bungied to my armpit + 24 shells on vest + 76 shells in ruck. -FNP-.45 drop leg + 5 - 15 round mags + 125 rounds in mine and my wife's ruck. -Cold Steel's Brooklyn Crusher (polypropylene baseball bat) held in a molle shotgun scabbard attatched to pack while loaded down -Blackhawk! XSF-1 knife attached to drop leg platform -Kevlar lined-hard knukled gloves This doesn't include my shelter, clothing, food, other tools (heaviest part of kit), what my wife carries, and most importantly, the water. It ain't easy, but I train with it all the time. Humping an 80-100 pound pack as far as you can in a couple of days gives you a certain sense of accomplisment now, and an ability to sustain when you really need to. Needless to say, I won't be bringing my guitar. Then you sir will most assuredly perish in the post apocalyptic world... Tactical harmonica? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My system is a lot like a cold weather system. I built it in layers to handle many different situations. -Carbine + 300 rounds in p-mags + 300 rounds on strippers in my ruck. -Rem 870 Bungied to my armpit + 24 shells on vest + 76 shells in ruck. -FNP-.45 drop leg + 5 - 15 round mags + 125 rounds in mine and my wife's ruck. -Cold Steel's Brooklyn Crusher (polypropylene baseball bat) held in a molle shotgun scabbard attatched to pack while loaded down -Blackhawk! XSF-1 knife attached to drop leg platform -Kevlar lined-hard knukled gloves This doesn't include my shelter, clothing, food, other tools (heaviest part of kit), what my wife carries, and most importantly, the water. It ain't easy, but I train with it all the time. Humping an 80-100 pound pack as far as you can in a couple of days gives you a certain sense of accomplisment now, and an ability to sustain when you really need to. Needless to say, I won't be bringing my guitar. Then you sir will most assuredly perish in the post apocalyptic world... Tactical harmonica? As long as it is in FDE.. and you better just PRAY the FDE fad doesn't end before civilization does! |
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My initial plan is to head to work (I work for an alphabet agency full time, and help SKD on the side). We have full back up generators, water filtration, indoor parking, gated entry, access key doors..... the whole nine yards. Even a completely stocked arms room full of RRA and LWRCi guns and lots of ammo. When I got transferred here I changed all my plans and now I'm actually going to work instead of anywhere else.
If I'm on foot probably take my my LMT MRP (with a few barrels) and about 400 rounds, my PIG PC, my Kifaru ZXR packed with sustainment gear, and my aid bag. I may have to ditch the sustainment gear for the aid bag depending on the distance. (I can always trade medical expertise for a sleeping bag). My GF will probably do the same, less ammo more like 210 rounds (but I'll have to Hump her Remington 700 and about 50 rounds for it- but that willl pay dividends on overwatch while I forage for gear). I keep a bug out bag locked up in my jeep with everything her and I need to survive for about 20 days anyways......... I know, I'm a little nuts, but I think you guys won't make fun of me too much for that. 
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On topic though... I will just run my 3 gun setup. M4 870 G17 M4 in hand G17 on my thigh 870 in the scabbard attached via MOLLE system. My girl, who is a EXCELLENT seamstress, is in the process of modifying the scabbard to hold my 870 with the top folder I recently installed. |
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Plan A is to bug-in,but if things go south and I have to head for the snow zone the load will depend on who is left to carry it.
My load is my main AR (recce set up,should be 100% finished soon),Glock 17 in BH drop leg holster,Glock 23 in pack.8 mags for the rifle,4 for each handgun.Mossberg 590 will be strapped to pack.I plan on moving and not fighting with this load, but if I need to move faster I'll lose the shotgun. Hopefully my wife and 19 yr old son will be along.His load will be a mid length AR,the G17, and larger amount of food and water.Same mag load out for rifle and pistol.My wife will use the Maadi AK(her Mini 14 is getting left behind,no reason to pack dead weight),and USP 40 compact.She will have the lightest load:4 rifle mags and 3 for the pistol.Lighter load of food and water. I've trained with this load and it's OK, not comfortable.Most likely I'd ditch the shotgun for more food and ammo.Bugging out is a last resort for us.IMHO it would drive our chances of survivng down, but everybodys situation is different. |
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I know we all have our arsenals at home ........... it be comfortable or worth the extra 10 pounds on my back[/span]. It's the end of the world... If your worried about comfort... I think you have a lot more things to worry about than an additional gun...Just sayin... I agree. I have a wife and 7 kids living at home....my comfort comes last when it comes to protecting them. I'm in the Air Force, not a cop or anything that gets to carry guns, I work on the flightline. I use to do a lot of OPFOR(opposing forces). Most weapons were M-4s. I once carried 15 mags for it. Never complained once. And we did exercises for 8 hours. One time they had 2 M-249s. Cadre asked for volunteers to carry them. I volunteered. I got the SAW and 2 x 200 blank rnd boxes. It was the heaviest SOB I've ever carried in my life. 22 pounds loaded Yet....when it came to shooting it, it felt so right. Only time I complained was when I ran out of ammo and it became a huge paperweight that I had to carry out. 4 hours of carrying 17 unloaded pounds. If I had a SAW of my own, I'd carry too many rounds just to protect my wife and kids. My comfort can wait until I die. 
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I know we all have our arsenals at home ........... it be comfortable or worth the extra 10 pounds on my back[/span]. [span style='color: red;']It's the end of the world... If your worried about comfort... I think you have a lot more things to worry about than an additional gun...[/span]Just sayin... I agree. I have a wife and 7 kids living at home....my comfort comes last when it comes to protecting them. I'm in the Air Force, not a cop or anything that gets to carry guns, I work on the flightline. I use to do a lot of OPFOR(opposing forces). Most weapons were M-4s. I once carried 15 mags for it. Never complained once. And we did exercises for 8 hours. One time they had 2 M-249s. Cadre asked for volunteers to carry them. I volunteered. I got the SAW and 2 x 200 blank rnd boxes. It was the heaviest SOB I've ever carried in my life. 22 pounds loaded Yet....when it came to shooting it, it felt so right. Only time I complained was when I ran out of ammo and it became a huge paperweight that I had to carry out. 4 hours of carrying 17 unloaded pounds. If I had a SAW of my own, I'd carry too many rounds just to protect my wife and kids. My comfort can wait until I die.
I feel your pain bro! I was a SAW Gunner for six friggen years!!!!! I used to carry 1600 rounds and a spare barrel. What pain in the ass!!! Luckily I had an Israeli LBV so it carried the weight well. Only had my NVG's, water and ammo....... Plus ruck. Talk about misery. You would think I would have gotten out of the Infantry after that. One thing for sure: it teaches you just how far you can go. SOS |
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Yeah.... first MTC (movement to contact) drill out, you learn a great appreciation (and eventually hate) for the QD pulls on your ruck. They are great until they wear out, or you get all your gear on and a your buddy decides to yank them. Half of us used them, half of us taped them up. I always attached glow tape to my frame because I hated carrying somebody else ruck (even if it was lighter) after we retrieved them. Just something about not having your own gear, even if everybody else has the exact same crap. Carry what you can and shed as you go, follow the principles of E&E and layer your gear so you can continually drop gear but remain in the fight if need be.
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I know we all have our arsenals at home ........... it be comfortable or worth the extra 10 pounds on my back[/span]. [span style='color: red;']It's the end of the world... If your worried about comfort... I think you have a lot more things to worry about than an additional gun...[/span]Just sayin... I agree. I have a wife and 7 kids living at home....my comfort comes last when it comes to protecting them. I'm in the Air Force, not a cop or anything that gets to carry guns, I work on the flightline. I use to do a lot of OPFOR(opposing forces). Most weapons were M-4s. I once carried 15 mags for it. Never complained once. And we did exercises for 8 hours. One time they had 2 M-249s. Cadre asked for volunteers to carry them. I volunteered. I got the SAW and 2 x 200 blank rnd boxes. It was the heaviest SOB I've ever carried in my life. 22 pounds loaded Yet....when it came to shooting it, it felt so right. Only time I complained was when I ran out of ammo and it became a huge paperweight that I had to carry out. 4 hours of carrying 17 unloaded pounds. If I had a SAW of my own, I'd carry too many rounds just to protect my wife and kids. My comfort can wait until I die.
I feel your pain bro! I was a SAW Gunner for six friggen years!!!!! I used to carry 1600 rounds and a spare barrel. What pain in the ass!!! Luckily I had an Israeli LBV so it carried the weight well. Only had my NVG's, water and ammo....... Plus ruck. Talk about misery. You would think I would have gotten out of the Infantry after that. One thing for sure: it teaches you just how far you can go. SOS Holy crap. I only carried it for 8 hours...once. And with just 400 rounds. You got my respect. I have heard that the Israeli LBV carries it well. Does it carry M-240 ammo? Ohio Ordnance sells a semi-auto M-240...$13,500. I still want one though. |
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Pretty sure the ISAAC (think that's close to what is was called) was for the M-60 ( 7.62X51- just like the M-240). It was awesome. I'll see if I can dig up a pic and post it on the SKD Facebook page. Sorry I don't have more info - HSLD gear back then was a few extra ammo pouches, and a cool kidney pad. It wasn't even that long ago, but way before the "tactical gear revolution" and my gear enlightenment.
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1. RIA tactical 1911 and as much ammo and magazines as I can REASONABLY carry. 2. AR15 Rifle and much ammo and magazines as I can REASONABLY carry. 3. Mossberg 500 and as much ammo as I can REASONABLY carry. My Wife: 1. My GSG-5 SBR and as much ammo and magazines as she can REASONABLY carry 2. Walther P22 and as much ammo and magazines as she can REASONABLY carry. Together: extra fuel, blankets, water, maps, MREs, flashlights, and spare batteries, lighters and lighter fluid, A couple days worth of dry clothes, and coats for cooler weather. ALL will be kept in the living room and the rest of the house will be boarded up and blocked off. Plywood and 2x4s over the windows with slits to shoot thru. Hopefully this will hold until the initial outbreak ends and we can slip out later un-noticed. |
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Common sense is the best thing to use when planning/buying equipment for EOW and the Bugging out.
Frankly, if you own more firearms than you can carry as a person, and more ammo than is feasible for you to carry and you plan on bugging out with that, then you need to rethink your plan. I plan on bugging in, so stockpiling ammo is ok. If we leave, then most of the ammo will be buried in metal foot lockers lined with plastic so that either A) we can come back for it later, or b) I can tell someone else who may be able to use it where it is. Plus, when bugging out, it helps to have a destination in mind. The 2 different destinations that I have planned to hit currently, have Ammo buried in said metal footlockers, as well as spare firearms. At home we keep only what we need to bug out with. So, for the 2 adults and the oldest boy, there is one long gun and 1 pistol each, plus 2 spare pistols for "trade" value. each long gun has 500 rds, each pistol has 1K rounds. That's easily enough packed out along with a 3 day supply of clothes and some other basics. The only caveat to all that is the .22. That's an extra long gun that is easily packed, and there are 2K rounds of that. Since both are light weight, the extra 10 lbs or so is not a big issue to carry around, especially since the dog will be carrying the extra ammo weight. Just prepare accordingly, and really only keep the things that you KNOW your going to need should you have to bug out. The extras should be stored at your bug out destinations, so that you don't have to carry it with you. If your in a car, well, then, all bets are off and everything comes with. |
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I know we all have our arsenals at home ........... it be comfortable or worth the extra 10 pounds on my back[/span]. [span style='color: red;']It's the end of the world... If your worried about comfort... I think you have a lot more things to worry about than an additional gun...[/span]Just sayin... I agree. I have a wife and 7 kids living at home....my comfort comes last when it comes to protecting them. I'm in the Air Force, not a cop or anything that gets to carry guns, I work on the flightline. I use to do a lot of OPFOR(opposing forces). Most weapons were M-4s. I once carried 15 mags for it. Never complained once. And we did exercises for 8 hours. One time they had 2 M-249s. Cadre asked for volunteers to carry them. I volunteered. I got the SAW and 2 x 200 blank rnd boxes. It was the heaviest SOB I've ever carried in my life. 22 pounds loaded Yet....when it came to shooting it, it felt so right. Only time I complained was when I ran out of ammo and it became a huge paperweight that I had to carry out. 4 hours of carrying 17 unloaded pounds. If I had a SAW of my own, I'd carry too many rounds just to protect my wife and kids. My comfort can wait until I die.
I feel your pain bro! I was a SAW Gunner for six friggen years!!!!! I used to carry 1600 rounds and a spare barrel. What pain in the ass!!! Luckily I had an Israeli LBV so it carried the weight well. Only had my NVG's, water and ammo....... Plus ruck. Talk about misery. You would think I would have gotten out of the Infantry after that. One thing for sure: it teaches you just how far you can go. SOS 1600! 
So awesome. And that's why you can go out to Camp Pendleton and go poking through the brush and find those blank boxes (full) pretty much at will. I found one on a hike, gave it to my roommate who had his POV (I flew, so I couldn't keep it) and said "go put this is your car". The second to last day at 0600 we have a room inspection and guess who didn't listen? 
It sucked because Kyle was a good dude otherwise, and his FIL was a Marine and he got really excited about being able to give him a box of ammo from a SAW. So, after the smoke cleared and the interviews with base security, I went out and found another one in about an hour. And walked him to his car. |
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So awesome. And that's why you can go out to Camp Pendleton and go poking through the brush and find those blank boxes (full) pretty much at will. I found one on a hike, gave it to my roommate who had his POV (I flew, so I couldn't keep it) and said "go put this is your car". The second to last day at 0600 we have a room inspection and guess who didn't listen?
It sucked because Kyle was a good dude otherwise, and his FIL was a Marine and he got really excited about being able to give him a box of ammo from a SAW. So, after the smoke cleared and the interviews with base security, I went out and found another one in about an hour. And walked him to his car. FT Drum in the winter was awesome for room inspections. We would just bury anything we couldn't have in the snow outside our windows. Kegs were great - just pull the tap in through the window, always cold beer ready. That's about the ONE thing I liked about winters at FT Drum. I used to carry between 800-1000 rounds, but my first firefight in Iraq I used close to 350 rounds. I decided I really needed more ammo since I was my squads freedom of movement plan. Didn't help that my SL was from the 75th and just called me a wimp when I didn't want that much ammo. After long enough my spine compressed to the point where it became comfortable  . Now I force those same standards on my SAW gunners, they don't understand how much I know their pain, at least we crossload the ammo and 203 rounds in my unit.
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I'm going to get some hate for saying this, but I don't understand why anyone with an AR15 would want to carry a 12 gauge when fighting Zeads. Low capacity, slow reload time, non-box mag fed, heavy ammo... The list goes on.
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Quoted: I'm going to get some hate for saying this, but I don't understand why anyone with an AR15 would want to carry a 12 gauge when fighting Zeads. Low capacity, slow reload time, non-box mag fed, heavy ammo... The list goes on. SBR AR15 and G17 (both equipped with weaponlights) for me. That's really my ideal load out... BUT... What if the virus is not just human transferable? What if dogs and cats and birds and so on can also become infected? That #7 shot will be worth it's weight in gold then... |
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I'm going to get some hate for saying this, but I don't understand why anyone with an AR15 would want to carry a 12 gauge when fighting Zeads. Low capacity, slow reload time, non-box mag fed, heavy ammo... The list goes on. SBR AR15 and G17 (both equipped with weaponlights) for me. Actually , I agree with you.I've been looking at the shotgun more as a special purpose weapon, not a main weapon.Imagine facing a group of fast moving ragers in an urban setting with 8 rounds in the tube.I'll pass. |
AR, 597 (better than nothing) all my handguns and my go bag that has at least 1 mag an ammo for all my guns plus an axe. Depending if my two older kids(9 and 14) are with me will determine if i grab other long rifles if on foot. in car its all going. Im shotgun less righ now  but that will go to when i get one.
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Eagle plate carrier..but will probably only use the front plate as is SA LEVEL 3 (steel and heavy). 6 pmags in it, along w/ my War belt w/ 2 more pmags. 2 spare Fnp mags on the belt, along w/ Kbar...My eagle Industires 3 day Pack w/ camelback w/ my gear(camping stuff - minus the tent, pad, and pillow) Includes medical, minor hygenic, filters, batteries, poncho, stove, food, water bottles, etc...., which will probably be lightened a bit at that point....Start in my 4runner,pulling my 4wheeler on trailer w/ 4 nato fuel cans...ride it until im out of fuel...then I walk.... |
Eagle Industries 3 Day Pack, Cold Steel Gurki Kukri machete (inexpensive one), Boonie hat Some mountain house foods. Water Filter, Stove, fuel, and cookware, Poncho. Emergency Blanket, Head light(amazingly useful(green, led, incandescent), Pancho. 6 pouches Oatmeal, condiments and drink mixes(salt, pepper, jelly, drink mix ins, instant coffee, spare polar bear covered boxers. emergency supplies (water tablets, wire saw, match holder, flint and steel, straw filter, personal hygiene (mini toothpaste, gel sanitizer, shampoo, sunscreen, eye drops, clairatin, small bar soap, Mini Led lantern, Binoculars, compass/magnifier , insect repellent. Surefire led defender w/ red lens filter. Gerber Knife, Quick clot. Med Kit (aspirin, antihistamines, band-aids, liquid bandage, gauze, etc) Not shown. Spare socks, layers, water bottles(2), both have wrapped of 15-30 ft of duct tape at base, extra zip ties, spare batteries. Weapons |
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Quoted: How you like those freeze dried meals?http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii155/Bgu301/2011-01-09_12-38-41_17.jpg Eagle Industries 3 Day Pack, Cold Steel Gurki Kukri machete (inexpensive one), Boonie hat Some mountain house foods. Water Filter, Stove, fuel, and cookware, Poncho. Emergency Blanket, Head light(amazingly useful(green, led, incandescent), Pancho. 6 pouches Oatmeal, condiments and drink mixes(salt, pepper, jelly, drink mix ins, instant coffee, spare polar bear covered boxers. emergency supplies (water tablets, wire saw, match holder, flint and steel, straw filter, personal hygiene (mini toothpaste, gel sanitizer, shampoo, sunscreen, eye drops, clairatin, small bar soap, Mini Led lantern, Binoculars, compass/magnifier , insect repellent. Surefire led defender w/ red lens filter. Gerber Knife, Quick clot. Med Kit (aspirin, antihistamines, band-aids, liquid bandage, gauze, etc) Not shown. Spare socks, layers, water bottles(2), both have wrapped of 15-30 ft of duct tape at base, extra zip ties, spare batteries. Weapons I never really thought much of them, because it seemed like a lot of trouble having to boil water to eat the stuff. I mean it seems like a waste of water and if you have no fire or water you have no food. |
| They are great. I love the lasagna! Not true...I dont have to hump the water for them being mixed in, I can just filter some water into them, or put some tablets in some water and use it. I do have a stove..which will last as long as my fuel supply lasts...which is not terribly long...after that its fire. Sure it may not be hot..but its food. The only water I want to carry is drinkable water..Any water will be fine as there is plenty of flavor/color to overcome any unpleasantness. The drink mix-ins help with that too. Plus its a great morale booster to have them. even have 2 lollipops w/ out sticks for deserts/sugar, or can boil it for flavored tea. |
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Quoted: They are great. I love the lasagna! Not true...I dont have to hump the water for them being mixed in, I can just filter some water into them, or put some tablets in some water and use it. I do have a stove..which will last as long as my fuel supply lasts...which is not terribly long...after that its fire. Sure it may not be hot..but its food. The only water I want to carry is drinkable water..Any water will be fine as there is plenty of flavor/color to overcome any unpleasantness. The drink mix-ins help with that too. Plus its a great morale booster to have them. even have 2 lollipops w/ out sticks for deserts/sugar, or can boil it for flavored tea. But what if you didn't have any water? |
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Besides...if anything were to go long term...as soon as the fuel runs out for the stove...it and the stove get ditched....as soon as the water filter is shot...it gets ditched...again, a weight savings...it would get replaced w/ a small container of bleach and more items to make fire to boil water..
I keep 2 bottles in case I have to carry crap water to filter later, I can move it to a good bottle or my bladder, if I need to stay on the go. I do have some MRE entree's and sandwiches that are not in the bag, if I was bugging out, I would have that with me...not sure which I would eat first, but I have them if I feel I can hump some more weight after adding weapons and ammo. My only limitation, I have used all this gear for 3 days...but was in conjunction w/ a tent...never slept outside without a tent and bag...that part would be a transition for me. |
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My advice, DO IT!!! Put that gear to use. It's all replaceable and the only way to KNOW what works and what doesn't is to use it all! Take a weekend. Grab your woman and or kids. 5 min prep time. Just act like you just heard rioting was heading your way and you had to bug out. Grab your bag, guns and ammo and boogie. Head for the hills and chill there for the weekend putting all that gear to use. |
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No wife or kids, but we do have 900 acres of property in alabama...i just am not fond of sleeping outside w/o bag or tent...but I really need to try...might not want to try this weekend w/ the winter storm though
I have used it all...just not w/o a tent and bag in conjunction. |
| I have a warm weather (40 degree) bag, and a mummy bag (20 degree). I like the mummy bag better. Its weird as when they are in their stuff sacks they are very large diameter, but only 13-14 inches long. Seems like my bag is better attune to having the tent or a sleeping pad the way the straps are set up. How would you attach a bag? |
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Quoted: I have a warm weather (40 degree) bag, and a mummy bag (20 degree). I like the mummy bag better. Its weird as when they are in their stuff sacks they are very large diameter, but only 13-14 inches long. Seems like my bag is better attune to having the tent or a sleeping pad the way the straps are set up. How would you attach a bag? Well my bag has a compression bag it stores in. Then I got a couple straps had a local lady stitch them to the bottom of my ruck. So then I just strap the bag to the bottom of the ruck. I am also starting to check out small 1 man tents. Not sure how large they are rolled up or what they weigh. If I can manage I would like to strap one of those to my BOB also. |
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I'm going to get some hate for saying this, but I don't understand why anyone with an AR15 would want to carry a 12 gauge when fighting Zeads. Low capacity, slow reload time, non-box mag fed, heavy ammo... The list goes on. SBR AR15 and G17 (both equipped with weaponlights) for me. I don't know about the 12 gauges that you are talking about but those sound horrible.
I have since added an aimpoint Micro.My AR would be number one but that shotty is one devastating little SOB and it is light and handy. |
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I'm going to get some hate for saying this, but I don't understand why anyone with an AR15 would want to carry a 12 gauge when fighting Zeads. Low capacity, slow reload time, non-box mag fed, heavy ammo... The list goes on. SBR AR15 and G17 (both equipped with weaponlights) for me. I don't know about the 12 gauges that you are talking about but those sound horrible.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d71/Rice52277/Newpics051.jpg?t=1294708574 I have since added an aimpoint Micro.My AR would be number one but that shotty is one devastating little SOB and it is light and handy. I stand corrected, and humbled
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm going to get some hate for saying this, but I don't understand why anyone with an AR15 would want to carry a 12 gauge when fighting Zeads. Low capacity, slow reload time, non-box mag fed, heavy ammo... The list goes on. SBR AR15 and G17 (both equipped with weaponlights) for me. I don't know about the 12 gauges that you are talking about but those sound horrible. http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d71/Rice52277/Newpics051.jpg?t=1294708574 I have since added an aimpoint Micro.My AR would be number one but that shotty is one devastating little SOB and it is light and handy. I stand corrected, and humbled Hell I was arguing that you should carry a 12ga and I still feel like I lost that argument... Rice pretty much wins. |
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AR15 with 1 point sling 13 Loaded 30 Rounders = 390 Rounds of Ammo (Have a sweet bandolier thats holds them perfectly)
STI Edge with 4 Loaded Mags = 76 Rounds + 100 Loose Rounds Suppressed .22lr pistol with 3 mags + 1,000 rounds of ammo If the shit has really hit the fan and I am walking I will most likely carry the loose ammmo in a separate duffel bag that I can drop if I need to move in a hurry. You'd be surprised though just how much a radio flyer wagon can haul in terms of ammo :D |