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2/13/2008 3:48:04 PM EDT
I'm trying to learn barre chords (A and E to start) and can usually get it to sound OK on the first few frets, but as I try to do the chord on the higher frets, it seems like the B string either buzzes or is muted.

Is there a trick?

Should I just remove the B string and not worry about it?
2/13/2008 3:50:13 PM EDT
[#1]
your hand is kinda weak now. squeeze a little tighter on the barre chords, you hands will get sore but practice makes perfect!
2/13/2008 6:09:28 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
your hand is kinda weak now. squeeze a little tighter on the barre chords, you hands will get sore but practice makes perfect!


+1
You can also use one of these to develop grip and finger strength.
I've even seem them advertised in Guns&Ammo for developing firm grip for shooting.

I have one, but never really used it enough to give you a thorough AAR.
2/14/2008 6:15:25 AM EDT
[#3]
I also find I have to roll my index finger slighty onto it's side (the side towards the thumb) in order to get good coverage on all the strings when doing a barre chord.
2/15/2008 9:02:06 AM EDT
[#4]
The real answer is..........

practice.

I must be new because the A and E chords that I use are not barred? B, Bm, F, Fm are but not the A and E...

A  

|0
|2
|2
|2
|0
|x

E

|0
|0
|1
|2
|2
|0

What am I missing?
2/15/2008 1:50:31 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
The real answer is..........

practice.

I must be new because the A and E chords that I use are not barred? B, Bm, F, Fm are but not the A and E...

A  

|0
|2
|2
|2
|0
|x

E

|0
|0
|1
|2
|2
|0

What am I missing?


Sorry, I'm not making my self clear - I was referring to the "A"-shape and "E"-shape barre chords.

An F chord done with an "E"-shape chord looks like this:
|1
|1
|2
|3
|3
|1

. . basically, your first finger makes a "bar across the neck behind the first fret and your middle, ring and pinkie fingers make the "E" chord one fret up from the open "E" chord.
2/15/2008 6:13:28 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
The real answer is..........

practice.

I must be new because the A and E chords that I use are not barred? B, Bm, F, Fm are but not the A and E...

A  

|0
|2
|2
|2
|0
|x

E

|0
|0
|1
|2
|2
|0

What am I missing?


Just move that F barre chord up from the 1st fret to the 5th fret for an A.

For a classic sounding E barre
|0
|7
|9
|9
|9
|7
2/15/2008 6:51:24 PM EDT
[#7]
Chances are, the area you are barring where your finger meets the B string is where one of the bends in your finger is. Try moving it over a mm forward or back so that it avoids it. At one point you'll have the strength to be able to bar it regardless of where. Good luck.
2/18/2008 4:26:58 PM EDT
[#8]
Hell, I'm just learing how to work AROUND those damned barre chords!  
2/18/2008 5:22:11 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Hell, I'm just learing how to work AROUND those damned barre chords!  


No, No, NO!  They are so versatile once you get them.  You won't regert learning them and in a year or less if you practice them you'll wonder why you ever thought they were difficult.
2/19/2008 1:56:00 PM EDT
[#10]
Also realize it's OK even often prefferable to not play all five or six strings. Watch videos of your guitar heroes, many play a barre chord using their thumb to fret the note on the low E string. This technique opens up all kinds of doors for you and can save you hand and wrist fatigue.
2/19/2008 2:17:37 PM EDT
[#11]
My advice is to ignore the "grip trainer" hand strength and just build your strength by playing guitar daily.

Give it a few weeks of daily practice and you'll forget it was ever hard to form the chords.

2/19/2008 6:40:36 PM EDT
[#12]
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For a classic sounding E barre
|0
|7
|9
|9
|9
|7


Actually that's a Bsus (Pinball Wizard)

Here's the classic barre chord riff to J.J. Cale's Cocaine in the key of E. Note the top E string is muted
 
E|X                      |X    |X                 |X            |X                 |X
B|7                      |9    |9                 |7             |9                 |7          
G|7                      |9    |9                 |7             |9                 |7
D|7                      |9    |9                 |7             |9                 |7
A|5                      |7    |7                 |5             |7                 |5
E|X  

--D--E--E--D--E--D          
2/20/2008 6:13:07 AM EDT
[#13]
One of the simplest pieces of advice, in my case, turned out to be the most valuable when I first started playing. That is, quite simply: only bar the strings that need it. In other words, for an F barre chord you only need to bar the E and B strings. The other strings are being fretted by your other fingers, so there's no need to worry about them.

You see, as a beginner I would try to depress all five or six strings with my index finger no matter what barre chord I was playing and then fret the notes below it as well. Not only is this pointless, it is painful. However, I didn't know not to do it because...it just looked like the way everyone was doing it and it never occurred to me otherwise.

You may have already figured this out. I didn't at first. I'm hardheaded and actually had to read about it somewhere.
2/20/2008 2:48:44 PM EDT
[#14]
Good advice echo - along with practice your barre finger will go where it needs to.

Something I just figured out last night - after three weeks of trying to "always" nail a Bm I determined that my thumb was too high on the back of the neck.

If my thumb was too high it made my barre finger curl. I lowered it to below centerline and walla....I'm am hitting the Bm - on to F with echo's advice!
2/20/2008 3:08:23 PM EDT
[#15]
That's a good idea, Echo, I will try that.
2/21/2008 7:10:39 AM EDT
[#16]
I was never able to get my ring finger off the high E string on these :

x
3
5
5
5
3 <----This one usually get muted by my third finger, so I just strum the middle 4 strings.

Does anyone else do that?
2/22/2008 5:34:47 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
I was never able to get my ring finger off the high E string on these :

x
3
5
5
5
3 <----This one usually get muted by my third finger, so I just strum the middle 4 strings.

Does anyone else do that?


I think a lot of people do that. I can cleanly fret that chord but it takes my ring and pinky to do it. Also, name me a song where you actually need that top note and I'll say you should be playing a partial chord like the one below.  Nothing sounds worse than full five or six string barre chords.

x
x
x
5
5
3

2/22/2008 5:18:06 PM EDT
[#18]
If you ever watch Clapton fret one he gives everyone the 'finger'.

I always assumed it was his way of lifting off that high E string.
2/23/2008 7:11:15 PM EDT
[#19]


He's just playing a G chord there
2/24/2008 2:40:13 AM EDT
[#20]
Here, like this one :

2/24/2008 8:09:37 PM EDT
[#21]
I had/have this same "problem" after about 8 years.  It is due to 1.)Lack of real practice 2.)Using too heavy gauge strings.  I can sound the B string if I really want or need to but I have adapted my playing to incorporate this shortcoming.  My advice; keep playing and practicing and you will develop your own styles, techniques and a unique sound eventually.  In the interim, try moving your pointer finger around (up, down, closer to the fret, further from the fret) until you find a position where the B string is sounding (if thats even a word...).  Don't let it worry you too much there is alot more to playing guitar than the silly B string.

Cheers