Posted: 10/6/2016 8:29:27 AM EDT
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Here are the high points in addition to the already agreed to sections, The overall increase in real dollar value of this contract to pilots is in excess of 40%, this will cause others pay in the industry to rise due to the shortage of hire-able and qualified pilots world wide.
Comprehensive AIP Reached The following is a summary of the major items in the AIP: ITEM TERMS Pay Rates 18% effective on January 1, 2016 3% effective on January 1, 2017 (21.5% cumulative) 3% effective on January 1, 2018 (25.2% cumulative) 4% effective on January 1, 2019 (30.2% cumulative) Retro Pay Full retro pay from January 1, 2016 Profit Sharing No change to our current profit sharing program Vacation · Increases to 3:30/day on 4/1/17 · Increases to 3:45/day for the first 14 days of vacation on 4/1/19 · All vacation value applies toward line construction Regional Jets No change to our current PWA DPSP contribution Increases to 16% on January 1, 2017 CQ Training Pay Increases to 4:00/day on January 1, 2017 Sick Leave TA Amended sick leave AIP to add a provision establishing that catastrophic injury or illness is not counted toward the lookback verification threshold Amendable Date December 31, 2019 |
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I've not been keeping up with this stuff much. Do you have any idea of how this compares to SouthWest's new pay scale for Delta's 737 fleet? I don't have the SW numbers in front of me, but I think the new Delta rates are at least 12% higher across the board from the rest of the industry. The second thing you must consider is that a new hire at DL will see the left seat of a narrow body or the right seat of the wide bodies in 4-6 years or less, the left seat at SW is 12-18 years away right now. Think lifetime earnings, not just a particular airplane. |
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I don't have the SW numbers in front of me, but I think the new Delta rates are at least 12% higher across the board from the rest of the industry. The second thing you must consider is that a new hire at DL will see the left seat of a narrow body or the right seat of the wide bodies in 4-6 years or less, the left seat at SW is 12-18 years away right now. Think lifetime earnings, not just a particular airplane. Quoted:
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I've not been keeping up with this stuff much. Do you have any idea of how this compares to SouthWest's new pay scale for Delta's 737 fleet? I don't have the SW numbers in front of me, but I think the new Delta rates are at least 12% higher across the board from the rest of the industry. The second thing you must consider is that a new hire at DL will see the left seat of a narrow body or the right seat of the wide bodies in 4-6 years or less, the left seat at SW is 12-18 years away right now. Think lifetime earnings, not just a particular airplane. It's an impressive TA, Esp. Since its amendable in 36 months or so. You need to get into the pay for play DL LoR business, Dave. I would! "During my time as a bail bondsman, I had a number of outstanding clients. Screechjet was first among those clients consistently coming up with unique ways to further our business relationship." |
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Well, that's all the "GOOD" that the union has released....
The "BAD" as in hidden easter eggs is yet to come.... The Devil is in the details..... FULL LANGUAGE is not available yet..... Yes, the pay rates sound great... But, the COST in concessions during a time of record profits may be way too high to pay.... |
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It's an impressive TA, Esp. Since its amendable in 36 months or so. You need to get into the pay for play DL LoR business, Dave. I would! "During my time as a bail bondsman, I had a number of outstanding clients. Screechjet was first among those clients consistently coming up with unique ways to further our business relationship." Quoted:
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I've not been keeping up with this stuff much. Do you have any idea of how this compares to SouthWest's new pay scale for Delta's 737 fleet? I don't have the SW numbers in front of me, but I think the new Delta rates are at least 12% higher across the board from the rest of the industry. The second thing you must consider is that a new hire at DL will see the left seat of a narrow body or the right seat of the wide bodies in 4-6 years or less, the left seat at SW is 12-18 years away right now. Think lifetime earnings, not just a particular airplane. It's an impressive TA, Esp. Since its amendable in 36 months or so. You need to get into the pay for play DL LoR business, Dave. I would! "During my time as a bail bondsman, I had a number of outstanding clients. Screechjet was first among those clients consistently coming up with unique ways to further our business relationship." I'm retired NWA, my LOR is not anywhere as valuable as a "Real" DAL pilots, and that is possibly one of the funniest things I have ever read! |
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Well, that's all the "GOOD" that the union has released.... The "BAD" as in hidden easter eggs is yet to come.... The Devil is in the details..... FULL LANGUAGE is not available yet..... Yes, the pay rates sound great... But, the COST in concessions during a time of record profits may be way too high to pay.... Actually, the entire AIP has already been released as the various sections have been signed off on. |
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I don't have the SW numbers in front of me, but I think the new Delta rates are at least 12% higher across the board from the rest of the industry. The second thing you must consider is that a new hire at DL will see the left seat of a narrow body or the right seat of the wide bodies in 4-6 years or less, the left seat at SW is 12-18 years away right now. Think lifetime earnings, not just a particular airplane. Quoted:
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I've not been keeping up with this stuff much. Do you have any idea of how this compares to SouthWest's new pay scale for Delta's 737 fleet? I don't have the SW numbers in front of me, but I think the new Delta rates are at least 12% higher across the board from the rest of the industry. The second thing you must consider is that a new hire at DL will see the left seat of a narrow body or the right seat of the wide bodies in 4-6 years or less, the left seat at SW is 12-18 years away right now. Think lifetime earnings, not just a particular airplane. Yeah, I'm hearing murmurs that this would make DAL pilots the highest paid pilots in US air line history. I can't resist pointing out that that might be true if you ignore previous pay scales corrected for inflation prior to wage cuts. |
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Vne; You are exactly correct on the losses we have all suffered under the out of control government printing press. F224 you are correct. EVERYONE has suffered if you look years back on what was made with inflation taken into account. Many, many in the middle class have lost a majority of their income if not their jobs in that time. Globalization has taken a big bite out of America's job market. You absolutely can not compare 2016 with the past. I grew up in a deep blue collar household so have watched this happen firsthand. I'm a physician now due to the greatness of The American Dream. Grew up an a POS trailer park and am now somewhat successful. The old guys who I work with made DOUBLE what I make (inflation corrected) now. I'm not crying as I make a very good living but it gets worse by the year. I'm grateful for what I have now and save accordingly in preparation for what's to come. When looking at a job at DL you are an idiot if you look at it as "not as good as it used to be". You should look at it as a big win for the workers to have such a generous contract. If enough people start having this entitled attitude and try to squeeze the lemon too much you will certainly see changes. From my understanding the Europeans have proven (with current automation) they can train an airline pilot in no time at all and all the pilots are apparently created equally. Just a cog in the wheel so to speak. You get too greedy and this new training paradigm will certainly become a reality in America. If/when that happens these Delta rates being proposed right now will seem like a Utopia. Delta isn't some "management" entity. It is a company that needs to turn a profit for itself in order to pay employees, keep up with competitors, and provide dividends for investors. When it fails to meet these goals it will start looking for juice to squeeze. |
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F224 you are correct. EVERYONE has suffered if you look years back on what was made with inflation taken into account. Many, many in the middle class have lost a majority of their income if not their jobs in that time. Globalization has taken a big bite out of America's job market. You absolutely can not compare 2016 with the past. I grew up in a deep blue collar household so have watched this happen firsthand. I'm a physician now due to the greatness of The American Dream. Grew up an a POS trailer park and am now somewhat successful. The old guys who I work with made DOUBLE what I make (inflation corrected) now. I'm not crying as I make a very good living but it gets worse by the year. I'm grateful for what I have now and save accordingly in preparation for what's to come. When looking at a job at DL you are an idiot if you look at it as "not as good as it used to be". You should look at it as a big win for the workers to have such a generous contract. If enough people start having this entitled attitude and try to squeeze the lemon too much you will certainly see changes. From my understanding the Europeans have proven (with current automation) they can train an airline pilot in no time at all and all the pilots are apparently created equally. Just a cog in the wheel so to speak. You get too greedy and this new training paradigm will certainly become a reality in America. If/when that happens these Delta rates being proposed right now will seem like a Utopia. Delta isn't some "management" entity. It is a company that needs to turn a profit for itself in order to pay employees, keep up with competitors, and provide dividends for investors. When it fails to meet these goals it will start looking for juice to squeeze. Quoted:
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Vne; You are exactly correct on the losses we have all suffered under the out of control government printing press. F224 you are correct. EVERYONE has suffered if you look years back on what was made with inflation taken into account. Many, many in the middle class have lost a majority of their income if not their jobs in that time. Globalization has taken a big bite out of America's job market. You absolutely can not compare 2016 with the past. I grew up in a deep blue collar household so have watched this happen firsthand. I'm a physician now due to the greatness of The American Dream. Grew up an a POS trailer park and am now somewhat successful. The old guys who I work with made DOUBLE what I make (inflation corrected) now. I'm not crying as I make a very good living but it gets worse by the year. I'm grateful for what I have now and save accordingly in preparation for what's to come. When looking at a job at DL you are an idiot if you look at it as "not as good as it used to be". You should look at it as a big win for the workers to have such a generous contract. If enough people start having this entitled attitude and try to squeeze the lemon too much you will certainly see changes. From my understanding the Europeans have proven (with current automation) they can train an airline pilot in no time at all and all the pilots are apparently created equally. Just a cog in the wheel so to speak. You get too greedy and this new training paradigm will certainly become a reality in America. If/when that happens these Delta rates being proposed right now will seem like a Utopia. Delta isn't some "management" entity. It is a company that needs to turn a profit for itself in order to pay employees, keep up with competitors, and provide dividends for investors. When it fails to meet these goals it will start looking for juice to squeeze. You're turning this into something it isn't. I'm thrilled for a 40% pay hike. I haven't yet had the chance to see what the downside to this TA is. Hopefully it won't be much but there's sure to be one. But when people say this is the highest an air line pilot has ever been paid, the detail oriented side of me has to put a giant asterisk next to that comment. The best air line's captains used to be able to buy a brand new Cadillac, paid in full, with cash, every month of the year. That era will always represent the years that air line pilots were paid the most and it's never coming back. Pointing that fact out doesn't necessarily mean I long for that era. There were some serious downsides to the job then too. But you're never an idiot for understanding your relative position in history. |
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You're turning this into something it isn't. I'm thrilled for a 40% pay hike. I haven't yet had the chance to see what the downside to this TA is. Hopefully it won't be much but there's sure to be one. But when people say this is the highest an air line pilot has ever been paid, the detail oriented side of me has to put a giant asterisk next to that comment. The best air line's captains used to be able to buy a brand new Cadillac, paid in full, with cash, every month of the year. That era will always represent the years that air line pilots were paid the most and it's never coming back. Pointing that fact out doesn't necessarily mean I long for that era. There were some serious downsides to the job then too. But you're never an idiot for understanding your relative position in history. Quoted:
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Vne; You are exactly correct on the losses we have all suffered under the out of control government printing press. F224 you are correct. EVERYONE has suffered if you look years back on what was made with inflation taken into account. Many, many in the middle class have lost a majority of their income if not their jobs in that time. Globalization has taken a big bite out of America's job market. You absolutely can not compare 2016 with the past. I grew up in a deep blue collar household so have watched this happen firsthand. I'm a physician now due to the greatness of The American Dream. Grew up an a POS trailer park and am now somewhat successful. The old guys who I work with made DOUBLE what I make (inflation corrected) now. I'm not crying as I make a very good living but it gets worse by the year. I'm grateful for what I have now and save accordingly in preparation for what's to come. When looking at a job at DL you are an idiot if you look at it as "not as good as it used to be". You should look at it as a big win for the workers to have such a generous contract. If enough people start having this entitled attitude and try to squeeze the lemon too much you will certainly see changes. From my understanding the Europeans have proven (with current automation) they can train an airline pilot in no time at all and all the pilots are apparently created equally. Just a cog in the wheel so to speak. You get too greedy and this new training paradigm will certainly become a reality in America. If/when that happens these Delta rates being proposed right now will seem like a Utopia. Delta isn't some "management" entity. It is a company that needs to turn a profit for itself in order to pay employees, keep up with competitors, and provide dividends for investors. When it fails to meet these goals it will start looking for juice to squeeze. You're turning this into something it isn't. I'm thrilled for a 40% pay hike. I haven't yet had the chance to see what the downside to this TA is. Hopefully it won't be much but there's sure to be one. But when people say this is the highest an air line pilot has ever been paid, the detail oriented side of me has to put a giant asterisk next to that comment. The best air line's captains used to be able to buy a brand new Cadillac, paid in full, with cash, every month of the year. That era will always represent the years that air line pilots were paid the most and it's never coming back. Pointing that fact out doesn't necessarily mean I long for that era. There were some serious downsides to the job then too. But you're never an idiot for understanding your relative position in history. I didn't mean to be offensive. It's sad on my end hearing how it used to be. I know guys doing what I do who used to take home $100K/month back in the 80s. It's crazy how things have changed for the worse for just about everyone and unfortunately I don't see this trend ever reversing. |
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I didn't mean to be offensive. It's sad on my end hearing how it used to be. I know guys doing what I do who used to take home $100K/month back in the 80s. It's crazy how things have changed for the worse for just about everyone and unfortunately I don't see this trend ever reversing. Quoted:
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Vne; You are exactly correct on the losses we have all suffered under the out of control government printing press. F224 you are correct. EVERYONE has suffered if you look years back on what was made with inflation taken into account. Many, many in the middle class have lost a majority of their income if not their jobs in that time. Globalization has taken a big bite out of America's job market. You absolutely can not compare 2016 with the past. I grew up in a deep blue collar household so have watched this happen firsthand. I'm a physician now due to the greatness of The American Dream. Grew up an a POS trailer park and am now somewhat successful. The old guys who I work with made DOUBLE what I make (inflation corrected) now. I'm not crying as I make a very good living but it gets worse by the year. I'm grateful for what I have now and save accordingly in preparation for what's to come. When looking at a job at DL you are an idiot if you look at it as "not as good as it used to be". You should look at it as a big win for the workers to have such a generous contract. If enough people start having this entitled attitude and try to squeeze the lemon too much you will certainly see changes. From my understanding the Europeans have proven (with current automation) they can train an airline pilot in no time at all and all the pilots are apparently created equally. Just a cog in the wheel so to speak. You get too greedy and this new training paradigm will certainly become a reality in America. If/when that happens these Delta rates being proposed right now will seem like a Utopia. Delta isn't some "management" entity. It is a company that needs to turn a profit for itself in order to pay employees, keep up with competitors, and provide dividends for investors. When it fails to meet these goals it will start looking for juice to squeeze. You're turning this into something it isn't. I'm thrilled for a 40% pay hike. I haven't yet had the chance to see what the downside to this TA is. Hopefully it won't be much but there's sure to be one. But when people say this is the highest an air line pilot has ever been paid, the detail oriented side of me has to put a giant asterisk next to that comment. The best air line's captains used to be able to buy a brand new Cadillac, paid in full, with cash, every month of the year. That era will always represent the years that air line pilots were paid the most and it's never coming back. Pointing that fact out doesn't necessarily mean I long for that era. There were some serious downsides to the job then too. But you're never an idiot for understanding your relative position in history. I didn't mean to be offensive. It's sad on my end hearing how it used to be. I know guys doing what I do who used to take home $100K/month back in the 80s. It's crazy how things have changed for the worse for just about everyone and unfortunately I don't see this trend ever reversing. It is sad. And you are 100% correct. Aviation and medicine have both taken severe hits over the last 40 years. Hits to career prosperity and to perceived respect. For what it takes to become a MD vs what they earn (and what their future is) I don't know why anyone would dare pursue the career. Must be simply for the love of helping people. |
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It is sad. And you are 100% correct. Aviation and medicine have both taken severe hits over the last 40 years. Hits to career prosperity and to perceived respect. For what it takes to become a MD vs what they earn (and what their future is) I don't know why anyone would dare pursue the career. Must be simply for the love of helping people. During a recent recurrent training evolution, everyone was talking about their career path. Regardless of their success, the aviators in the class, ranging from a retired UA 747 Standards Captain to a 23 year old new ATP, to a man wouldn't recommend aviation as a career path. My physician friends speak of a similar dynamic, and the reality is that both professions will experience an inexorable brain drain over the next two decades. |
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During a recent recurrent training evolution, everyone was talking about their career path. Regardless of their success, the aviators in the class, ranging from a retired UA 747 Standards Captain to a 23 year old new ATP, to a man wouldn't recommend aviation as a career path. My physician friends speak of a similar dynamic, and the reality is that both professions will experience an inexorable brain drain over the next two decades. Any career, vocation or profession is what you make it. I'm not sure I would go as far as my friend, a former NWA B747-400 Captain now on the B737 by choice, who says that when he retires he will give homeless bums blow jobs for a buck daily for the first month to get his dignity back because the profession and working for Delta is that bad. Nor do I claim that it's all unicorns and rainbows. The fact is, I was lucky to fly during that short period in world history that both flying and sex were safe at that same time, and I still get paid to look out the window all day. Is it what it once was? Sure it is, medicine and aviation are both changing daily, but for me it sure beats sitting in a cubicle all day. |
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During a recent recurrent training evolution, everyone was talking about their career path. Regardless of their success, the aviators in the class, ranging from a retired UA 747 Standards Captain to a 23 year old new ATP, to a man wouldn't recommend aviation as a career path. My physician friends speak of a similar dynamic, and the reality is that both professions will experience an inexorable brain drain over the next two decades. Quoted:
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It is sad. And you are 100% correct. Aviation and medicine have both taken severe hits over the last 40 years. Hits to career prosperity and to perceived respect. For what it takes to become a MD vs what they earn (and what their future is) I don't know why anyone would dare pursue the career. Must be simply for the love of helping people. During a recent recurrent training evolution, everyone was talking about their career path. Regardless of their success, the aviators in the class, ranging from a retired UA 747 Standards Captain to a 23 year old new ATP, to a man wouldn't recommend aviation as a career path. My physician friends speak of a similar dynamic, and the reality is that both professions will experience an inexorable brain drain over the next two decades. We all hear that frequently, we often say it, and we sometimes mean it. However, we don't really think it all the way through, with any reasonable perspective. A pilot making $230,000 per year is comparing his salary to his neighbor who makes $400,000 grand a year. The Dr. is comparing his salary to the CEO who's making $10,000,000. Neither one contemplates, or envisions working his ass off for $45,000 per year, and THAT is the statistical reality of their alternate fate. The second part, I simply disagree. For many reasons, including good compensation, both professions will continue to be highly selective. |
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After 20 years with a major airline, I was making $75K/year. So I quit. Quoted:
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A pilot making $230,000 per year is comparing his salary to his neighbor who makes $400,000 grand a year. After 20 years with a major airline, I was making $75K/year. So I quit. How much would you be making now? What would your lifetime earnings be? Are you happier now? More fulfilled? That's the Only thing that really matters in the end. |
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I'm thrilled for a 40% pay hike. I haven't yet had the chance to see what the downside to this TA is. Hopefully it won't be much but there's sure to be one. The TA was leaked, and one of the downsides is dropping the JV Scope to 46.5% Delta/53.5 JV partners. I did notice a floor on block hours was put in place, which I don't think we currently have. I was fairly confident this TA would pass easily, now with the top end scope give, I'm not so sure. This alone may turn me into a no voter. |
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What are JV partners? Joint Venture partners...Air France, KLM, Virgin Atlantic. Essentially, we would be allowing them to fly more of our international wide body flying. Giving up this type of flying is not high on my list of things i'm willing to do. These spots are what create lots of upward movement, pay the most and provide some of the best money and schedules. Quoted:
How will Delta pilots ever eat again? How will they ever survive? Those poor pilots have it so tough, I feel sorry for them and how rough they have it. Thanks for the great contribution. |
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The TA was leaked, and one of the downsides is dropping the JV Scope to 46.5% Delta/53.5 JV partners. I did notice a floor on block hours was put in place, which I don't think we currently have. I was fairly confident this TA would pass easily, now with the top end scope give, I'm not so sure. This alone may turn me into a no voter. Quoted:
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I'm thrilled for a 40% pay hike. I haven't yet had the chance to see what the downside to this TA is. Hopefully it won't be much but there's sure to be one. The TA was leaked, and one of the downsides is dropping the JV Scope to 46.5% Delta/53.5 JV partners. I did notice a floor on block hours was put in place, which I don't think we currently have. I was fairly confident this TA would pass easily, now with the top end scope give, I'm not so sure. This alone may turn me into a no voter. Well that sucks. Pay raise, profit sharing, and scope were the 3 most important sections to me on this contract. I'm not eager to give away my future to Richard Branson. |
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Well that sucks. Pay raise, profit sharing, and scope were the 3 most important sections to me on this contract. I'm not eager to give away my future to Richard Branson. Me either, I'm looking forward to the day I can jump on the 330 in my base...this may extend the time until that date shows. A negotiators notepad was just released on Scope. Confirms what I said above. There are a few plusses wrt compliance, but i'm going to need some more clarification on the issue. |
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Me either, I'm looking forward to the day I can jump on the 330 in my base...this may extend the time until that date shows. A negotiators notepad was just released on Scope. Confirms what I said above. There are a few plusses wrt compliance, but i'm going to need some more clarification on the issue. Quoted:
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Well that sucks. Pay raise, profit sharing, and scope were the 3 most important sections to me on this contract. I'm not eager to give away my future to Richard Branson. Me either, I'm looking forward to the day I can jump on the 330 in my base...this may extend the time until that date shows. A negotiators notepad was just released on Scope. Confirms what I said above. There are a few plusses wrt compliance, but i'm going to need some more clarification on the issue. Looks like we're potentially giving up 2% of the international flying to our code shares. No change for the rj percentages. That's not great, obviously, but it won't be enough to vote "no" for. |
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Looks like we're potentially giving up 2% of the international flying to our code shares. No change for the rj percentages. That's not great, obviously, but it won't be enough to vote "no" for. Ya there are lots of little "easter eggs" in there that I have to shake my head at, but my guess is this will pass. |
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Me either, I'm looking forward to the day I can jump on the 330 in my base...this may extend the time until that date shows. A negotiators notepad was just released on Scope. Confirms what I said above. There are a few plusses wrt compliance, but i'm going to need some more clarification on the issue. Quoted:
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Well that sucks. Pay raise, profit sharing, and scope were the 3 most important sections to me on this contract. I'm not eager to give away my future to Richard Branson. Me either, I'm looking forward to the day I can jump on the 330 in my base...this may extend the time until that date shows. A negotiators notepad was just released on Scope. Confirms what I said above. There are a few plusses wrt compliance, but i'm going to need some more clarification on the issue. What base? |
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I can't decide if that is the voice of Jealousy or Ignorance.  . A little clarification please?Quoted:
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How will Delta pilots ever eat again? How will they ever survive? Those poor pilots have it so tough, I feel sorry for them and how rough they have it. I can't decide if that is the voice of Jealousy or Ignorance. . A little clarification please?I'm betting on Jealousy. Cda, why don't you head down to the nearest airport with a flight school and get busy learning to fly, if it bothers you so much. There are plenty of flight instructors willing to help you realize your dreams. |
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I'm betting on Jealousy. Cda, why don't you head down to the nearest airport with a flight school and get busy learning to fly, if it bothers you so much. There are plenty of flight instructors willing to help you realize your dreams. Quoted:
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How will Delta pilots ever eat again? How will they ever survive? Those poor pilots have it so tough, I feel sorry for them and how rough they have it. I can't decide if that is the voice of Jealousy or Ignorance. . A little clarification please?I'm betting on Jealousy. Cda, why don't you head down to the nearest airport with a flight school and get busy learning to fly, if it bothers you so much. There are plenty of flight instructors willing to help you realize your dreams. It's just a little innocent jealousy. It's common amongst aircraft mechanics. cda97 is a Delta mechanic. What he fails to recognize is the 32.5% pay cut Delta pilots voluntarily gave up to keep the air line flying and to keep guys like him employed. This pay scale will just begin to bring the pilots back up where we belong but pilot compensation will never be made whole again if you calculate the time/value of money. |
The Culture at DAL at least recognizes, a difference between those jobs. The management at some other airlines, prefers to embrace and encourage a communist ideology. "All workers are to be treated Equal....Equally Bad"
Fwiw- I flew with this Cpt once, who had started as a Mechanic, and successfully crossed over. He had the best attitude ever. One of these guys who tells everyone: "I am the luckiest guy in the World  "
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The Culture at DAL at least recognizes, a difference between those jobs. The management at some other airlines, prefers to embrace and encourage a communist ideology. "All workers are to be treated Equal....Equally Bad"
Fwiw- I flew with this Cpt once, who had started as a Mechanic, and successfully crossed over. He had the best attitude ever. One of these guys who tells everyone: "I am the luckiest guy in the World "
(but you just know; he Made his own luck, Every Step of the Way.) I love flying with those kinda guys. I try to be the opposite guy... I fly around and make up ex-wifes and drug addled deliquent teenagers I don't have to incessantly bitch about to make the Captain think "shit, I'm better off than than this asshole." |
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I try to be the opposite guy... I fly around and make up ex-wifes and drug addled deliquent teenagers I don't have to incessantly bitch about to make the Captain think "shit, I'm better off than than this asshole." Quoted:
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The Culture at DAL at least recognizes, a difference between those jobs. The management at some other airlines, prefers to embrace and encourage a communist ideology. "All workers are to be treated Equal....Equally Bad"
Fwiw- I flew with this Cpt once, who had started as a Mechanic, and successfully crossed over. He had the best attitude ever. One of these guys who tells everyone: "I am the luckiest guy in the World "
(but you just know; he Made his own luck, Every Step of the Way.) I love flying with those kinda guys. I try to be the opposite guy... I fly around and make up ex-wifes and drug addled deliquent teenagers I don't have to incessantly bitch about to make the Captain think "shit, I'm better off than than this asshole." Heheh. Nice. I like flying with those guys too...They actually do make me feel slightly better about the hand I was dealt.
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Heheh. Nice. I like flying with those guys too...They actually do make me feel slightly better about the hand I was dealt. Quoted:
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The Culture at DAL at least recognizes, a difference between those jobs. The management at some other airlines, prefers to embrace and encourage a communist ideology. "All workers are to be treated Equal....Equally Bad"
Fwiw- I flew with this Cpt once, who had started as a Mechanic, and successfully crossed over. He had the best attitude ever. One of these guys who tells everyone: "I am the luckiest guy in the World "
(but you just know; he Made his own luck, Every Step of the Way.) I love flying with those kinda guys. I try to be the opposite guy... I fly around and make up ex-wifes and drug addled deliquent teenagers I don't have to incessantly bitch about to make the Captain think "shit, I'm better off than than this asshole." Heheh. Nice. I like flying with those guys too...They actually do make me feel slightly better about the hand I was dealt. Plus, I'm a lousy, inattentive pilot that is short, but makes up for it by being chubby. |
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How will Delta pilots ever eat again? How will they ever survive? Those poor pilots have it so tough, I feel sorry for them and how rough they have it. I can't decide if that is the voice of Jealousy or Ignorance. . A little clarification please?I should have used an emojicon for that response. I'm sarcastic by nature and like to poke fun, sometimes it's taken the wrong way. I am an aircraft mechanic at Delta Airlines and this was not posted in jealously. Just poking fun at the pilots. Something that ALPA does correctly is being able to see the accounting books when renegotiating their contract. All the other work groups at Delta just sing praises to Delta management and kiss their ass when Delta gives out a few bucks to keep them happy. I've been around long enough to see the worst times at Delta and now the good times. Delta Airlines can't spend their money fast enough on foolish shit being so strapped with cash. We are now again management top heavy like we were before bankruptcy. After bankruptcy Delta management apologized for being so top heavy. As much as I want the best mechanics surrounding me, I want the best pilots flying for Delta Airlines. Edit: I do apologize for coming across as an asshole and especially apologize to BillofRights for the way I've answered him before. I'm actually a nice guy 
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I should have used an emojicon for that response. I'm sarcastic by nature and like to poke fun, sometimes it's taken the wrong way. I am an aircraft mechanic at Delta Airlines and this was not posted in jealously. Just poking fun at the pilots. Something that ALPA does correctly is being able to see the accounting books when renegotiating their contract. All the other work groups at Delta just sing praises to Delta management and kiss their ass when Delta gives out a few bucks to keep them happy. I've been around long enough to see the worst times at Delta and now the good times. Delta Airlines can't spend their money fast enough on foolish shit being so strapped with cash. We are now again management top heavy like we were before bankruptcy. After bankruptcy Delta management apologized for being so top heavy. As much as I want the best mechanics surrounding me, I want the best pilots flying for Delta Airlines. Edit: I do apologize for coming across as an asshole and especially apologize to BillofRights for the way I've answered him before. I'm actually a nice guy
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How will Delta pilots ever eat again? How will they ever survive? Those poor pilots have it so tough, I feel sorry for them and how rough they have it. I can't decide if that is the voice of Jealousy or Ignorance. . A little clarification please?I should have used an emojicon for that response. I'm sarcastic by nature and like to poke fun, sometimes it's taken the wrong way. I am an aircraft mechanic at Delta Airlines and this was not posted in jealously. Just poking fun at the pilots. Something that ALPA does correctly is being able to see the accounting books when renegotiating their contract. All the other work groups at Delta just sing praises to Delta management and kiss their ass when Delta gives out a few bucks to keep them happy. I've been around long enough to see the worst times at Delta and now the good times. Delta Airlines can't spend their money fast enough on foolish shit being so strapped with cash. We are now again management top heavy like we were before bankruptcy. After bankruptcy Delta management apologized for being so top heavy. As much as I want the best mechanics surrounding me, I want the best pilots flying for Delta Airlines. Edit: I do apologize for coming across as an asshole and especially apologize to BillofRights for the way I've answered him before. I'm actually a nice guy
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I should have used an emojicon for that response. I'm sarcastic by nature and like to poke fun, sometimes it's taken the wrong way. I am an aircraft mechanic at Delta Airlines and this was not posted in jealously. Just poking fun at the pilots. Something that ALPA does correctly is being able to see the accounting books when renegotiating their contract. All the other work groups at Delta just sing praises to Delta management and kiss their ass when Delta gives out a few bucks to keep them happy. I've been around long enough to see the worst times at Delta and now the good times. Delta Airlines can't spend their money fast enough on foolish shit being so strapped with cash. We are now again management top heavy like we were before bankruptcy. After bankruptcy Delta management apologized for being so top heavy. As much as I want the best mechanics surrounding me, I want the best pilots flying for Delta Airlines. Edit: I do apologize for coming across as an asshole and especially apologize to BillofRights for the way I've answered him before. I'm actually a nice guy
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How will Delta pilots ever eat again? How will they ever survive? Those poor pilots have it so tough, I feel sorry for them and how rough they have it. I can't decide if that is the voice of Jealousy or Ignorance. . A little clarification please?I should have used an emojicon for that response. I'm sarcastic by nature and like to poke fun, sometimes it's taken the wrong way. I am an aircraft mechanic at Delta Airlines and this was not posted in jealously. Just poking fun at the pilots. Something that ALPA does correctly is being able to see the accounting books when renegotiating their contract. All the other work groups at Delta just sing praises to Delta management and kiss their ass when Delta gives out a few bucks to keep them happy. I've been around long enough to see the worst times at Delta and now the good times. Delta Airlines can't spend their money fast enough on foolish shit being so strapped with cash. We are now again management top heavy like we were before bankruptcy. After bankruptcy Delta management apologized for being so top heavy. As much as I want the best mechanics surrounding me, I want the best pilots flying for Delta Airlines. Edit: I do apologize for coming across as an asshole and especially apologize to BillofRights for the way I've answered him before. I'm actually a nice guy
No worries. Sorry for being thin skinned. And for what it counts, I firmly believe Delta has the best mechanics in the industry. You guys have a hard, thankless job but you do it extremely well. |