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9/4/2007 7:40:03 PM EDT
what exactly are the consequences for laying eyes upon it according to the bible?
9/5/2007 5:24:47 AM EDT
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No consequences for "laying eyes" upon it according to the Bible. Only touching it or entering the holy place unclean will have severe consequences... and consequences = instant death.
9/5/2007 7:22:00 AM EDT
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You know, I actually heard that the given design for the ark would be a capacitor. Which might be one reason for the touch it = die legend - it built up a static charge, and upon touching it, all said static discharged into you and killed you.

But I have no proof, just what I was told.
9/5/2007 7:34:53 AM EDT
[#3]
Makes you wonder what happened to the Romans that got a hold of it.
9/5/2007 11:41:27 AM EDT
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You know, I actually heard that the given design for the ark would be a capacitor. Which might be one reason for the touch it = die legend - it built up a static charge, and upon touching it, all said static discharged into you and killed you.

But I have no proof, just what I was told.


I think that mythbusters actually did that, and it turned out to be false.  It did build up a charge, but nothing big.  They did hook it up to a battery to shock people anyway.
9/5/2007 11:57:16 AM EDT
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No consequences for "laying eyes" upon it according to the Bible. Only touching it or entering the holy place unclean will have severe consequences... and consequences = instant death.


Pretty much sums up my understanding about it.
9/7/2007 10:52:47 PM EDT
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Makes you wonder what happened to the Romans that got a hold of it.



When the Second Temple was built the Holy of Holies was an empty chamber, without the Ark of the Covenant. We know that because the Roman General Pompey who conquered Jerusalem around 63BC., demanded the privilege to enter the Holy of Holies. When the General entered the Holy of Holies he came out saying that he could not understand what all the interest was about the sanctuary, when it was only an empty room!
www.christiannewstoday.com/BPN_3.html
9/7/2007 11:16:51 PM EDT
[#7]
The Phillistines had no problem handling the Ark when they took it from the Israelis. But, once it was returned and being handled improperly by folks that knew better, well, they got whacked.
9/15/2007 10:26:04 AM EDT
[#8]
Basically the Ark is something that you do not want to mess with.  If you do you will be killed or bad stuff will start to happen to you.  It was taken several times in history and returned to the Jews.  

I bet it still exists.  I bet there are some hardcore Jews that have it stashed, and are waiting for the time to bring it out in battle.  If it existed, it sure as hell would not be on display in a museum for gentiles to balk at.
9/15/2007 10:29:48 AM EDT
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Balk has many uses, such as:

   * Something left untouched, from in the Scots term bauk; this led to the word's current meaning a hindrance or check. From this, some uses developed:
         o A balk is an illegal action in baseball.
         o A horse is said to baulk when it refuses its rider's instructions.
         o A baulk is an evasive technique/manoeuvre in the sport of Australian rules football.
         o A balk on a billiard table is the area behind the balkline--the first quarter-length of the table.
9/15/2007 7:14:19 PM EDT
[#10]
One had to be completely cleansed according to the old law, but you have to remember that When Jesus dies on the cross that changed alot of the old laws. but i truly believe that the ark is still out there and it will be found when God is ready for us to find it
9/15/2007 7:23:38 PM EDT
[#11]
If it existed you couldn't miss it because it had to house over a million species of animals.
9/15/2007 7:31:01 PM EDT
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If it existed you couldn't miss it because it had to house over a million species of animals.


You have your Arks mixed up

Noahs ark and The Ark of the Covenant are different.
9/15/2007 7:38:32 PM EDT
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If it existed you couldn't miss it because it had to house over a million species of animals.


Wrong Ark, and no one said that every species-variant in existance today existed in the beginning...

Adaptation of species is NOT in question (eg wild dog -> thousands of breeds)...

The Ark of the Covenant is a gold-covered box which contains the original 10 Commandments, among other things...
9/15/2007 7:41:13 PM EDT
[#14]
I heard it was in Ethiopia somewhere.
9/15/2007 7:53:01 PM EDT
[#15]
Good thread.  As a believer in the Bible I find this stuff fascinating!

I loved the old Raiders of the Lost Ark movie, but I was a kid at the time (and not at all grounded in faith) so I took it as hogwash back then.
9/15/2007 8:07:11 PM EDT
[#16]

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If it existed you couldn't miss it because it had to house over a million species of animals.


Wrong Ark, and no one said that every species-variant in existance today existed in the beginning...

Adaptation of species is NOT in question (eg wild dog -> thousands of breeds)...

The Ark of the Covenant is a gold-covered box which contains the original 10 Commandments, among other things...


Ohhhh that thing, my bad.
9/15/2007 8:08:02 PM EDT
[#17]

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One had to be completely cleansed according to the old law, but you have to remember that When Jesus dies on the cross that changed alot of the old laws. but i truly believe that the ark is still out there and it will be found when God is ready for us to find it




I believe the Ark doesn't exist anymore on earth. I believe it was allowed by the Lord to be disassembled and melted down by a army that captured Jerusalem after the days of King Solomon. The Ark and the temples served the Lords purpose for their time on the earth and are no more.
9/15/2007 8:39:59 PM EDT
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I believe the Ark doesn't exist anymore on earth. I believe it was allowed by the Lord to be disassembled and melted down by a army that captured Jerusalem after the days of King Solomon. The Ark and the temples served the Lords purpose for their time on the earth and are no more.


When the Romans went to go get the Ark, located in the bottom of the Second Temple, the room was empty.  Lots of the Temple artifacts were removed and hidden before the Romans recaptured the Temple.  They have found some of them.  The Copper Scroll (one of the Dead Sea Scrolls) is also believed to list where a lot of the items were hidden.
9/15/2007 9:37:38 PM EDT
[#19]

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I believe the Ark doesn't exist anymore on earth. I believe it was allowed by the Lord to be disassembled and melted down by a army that captured Jerusalem after the days of King Solomon. The Ark and the temples served the Lords purpose for their time on the earth and are no more.


When the Romans went to go get the Ark, located in the bottom of the Second Temple, the room was empty.  Lots of the Temple artifacts were removed and hidden before the Romans recaptured the Temple.  They have found some of them.  The Copper Scroll (one of the Dead Sea Scrolls) is also believed to list where a lot of the items were hidden.



With the amount of observers and spies looking at Jerusalem before and as city fell in 70 A.D. with over 1,050,000 dead inside and out, and with the amount of Hebrews captured by Roman solders and Syrian mercenaries, someone would have talked or made to talk about its whereabouts if it existed at the time. It would have been the greatest propaganda item and war trophy of the war. Josephus would have talked to his captures and would I believe wrote about the Ark if it existed pre and post 70 A.D. in his scrolls if it was in Jerusalem or even in country at the time. Many items from the sack of the last great temple were paraded in Rom when many of the officers came back but there is no mention of a "Ark" by any Roman scholar of the time and again no writings about a Ark falling into the hands Romans and mercenaries by Josephus.
By the time the second temple was built, the Ark of the Covenant, as well as many other items from the first temple where not present in the Holy of Holies. This can be researched and verified.

With the fall of the great city in 70 A.D. and the passing of time many have looked for the Ark. Hebrews, Arabs, Moslem's, slave solders, Christians, and many others with no luck. The Ark is not to be found because its was disassembled long ago by solders that pointed spires into the thin air in a large room thinking they could spire the Lord the Hebrew believed in before they took away the Ark that was before them. The Ark served the Lord for a time and had it destroyed, I believe, to keep it from being misused and being defiled by enemy solders. Many seek it but theres nothing of it to ever be fond becouse it is long gone I believe.
9/16/2007 10:31:31 AM EDT
[#20]

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what exactly are the consequences for laying eyes upon it according to the bible?


Radiation burns. I'm guessing whatever was inside the Ark was radioactive.


I wonder how the Levites were able to stand in the middle of a riverbed, while holding the ARK, long enough to allow the entire Hebrew population to pass over on dry land, without getting fried or later dying of radiation poisoning. I wonder how they were able to handle the ARK for centuries without piling up mounds of corpses.
I am guessing that your theory does not hold up to the evidence.
9/16/2007 11:06:52 AM EDT
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I thought I remeber seeing a Roman bas-relief depicting their soldiers carrying the ark...hmm, I'll see if I can find it on the tardweb.
9/16/2007 4:57:21 PM EDT
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I thought I remeber seeing a Roman bas-relief depicting their soldiers carrying the ark...hmm, I'll see if I can find it on the tardweb.




www.scholarscorner.com/museums/titus.htm

The Arch of Titus bas-relief depiction only shows items from the second Temple in procession as the table of the Show Bread, the Silver trumpets, and the Candelabra. The other bas-relief at Titus Arch does not show a Ark also.

www.scholarscorner.com/images/Temple.jpg

www.scholarscorner.com/images/Process.jpg
9/17/2007 12:48:15 PM EDT
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what u don't know won't hurt u

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The Phillistines had no problem handling the Ark when they took it from the Israelis. But, once it was returned and being handled improperly by folks that knew better, well, they got whacked.
9/17/2007 12:53:58 PM EDT
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It's pretty widely believed to be in the posession of monks in a Coptic Christian monastery in the highlands of Ethiopia.
9/20/2007 8:30:33 PM EDT
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Hat tip to Sphinx. Wow, you definitely know your stuff.  I am genuinely impressed.  I'm going to stick to my belief that it was removed in the Second Temple Period and hidden.  There was a lot hidden.  The Romans took a lot, but didn't get everything.  After all the room containing the holy of holies was empty.

PS, if you haven't been to Jerusalem, everyone should go.  
9/22/2007 9:41:02 PM EDT
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what exactly are the consequences for laying eyes upon it according to the bible?


Radiation burns. I'm guessing whatever was inside the Ark was radioactive.


I wonder how the Levites were able to stand in the middle of a riverbed, while holding the ARK, long enough to allow the entire Hebrew population to pass over on dry land, without getting fried or later dying of radiation poisoning. I wonder how they were able to handle the ARK for centuries without piling up mounds of corpses.
I am guessing that your theory does not hold up to the evidence.


They also went into battle carrying the Ark and did quite well. If looking at it caused death they wouldn't have even gotten to the battlegrounds.