Posted: 10/7/2010 8:57:36 AM EDT
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This morning, I was patently waiting for a business to open up out in their parking lot because I was running a little early when I got there. As I was waiting in my truck, a middle aged woman pulled up next to me in a late model, powder blue volks wagon beetle.
Immediatly, I noticed about an eight inch white and red circular decal on the driver's side door. It was in fact a large red so-called peace symbol, or an upside-down bent cross on a white background behind it turned slightly to the right of center, I guess to look a little more sporty or sylish, as it were. Now, when the lady got out of her vehicle, she looked to me pretty much the way that I expected her to look, as per the type of vehicle that she was driving which was fairly liberal looking as well as having to me the eir of that kind of person that might sport such a symbol as a so-called,''peace symbol.'', or something else that might be considered by conservative americans like me that seem to be somewhat anti-establishment to some of us at first glance anyway. It is my own opinion that these type of seemingly harmless type symbols are somewhat deceptive in nature as to their true agendas concerning their hidden identities which also in my opinion, is that God does not honor these because as stated before they are of a deceptive nature and are attempting to support a lie concerning a peaceful and loving state between anyone, and everyone and without offense in any event between persons. God in His righteousness is incapable of telling a lie, by mis-representing Himself, not only to all people, but the same goes for all creation also. So this means with God, you will plainly see what it is that your getting, if you have a mind to study God's word, or the Christian Bible in order to be an effective student to know about how it is primarily that God conducts His own business concerning the integrity that He(God) displays on a continual basis without an interval in between which would equate to error of that same integrity and so on. Anyway this middle aged woman who got out of the beetle was just about what I expected concerning this rather large,''peace symbol,'' that she was apparently trying to represent by its presence there on her car. Which is, the kind of person who was of a young age back in the sixties,probably an impressionable youngster concerning the general so-called hippie peace movement, back when these kinds of symbols were big as far as being anti-war symbolism and such, as they were the most popular that I saw back then when I was a young man also living under my father's own roof, a highly decorated career military man.. Now as a Christian, as well as considering myself to be a born-again believer by the graciousness of our Lord, and Savior, Jesus Christ, I do consider this upside-down bent cross somewhat offensive as an anti-christian symbol as far as I am concerned, but did not consider this woman, if that is her vehicle and she is the one who attached it to her door as to make a statement about something, not offensive to me at all. However, to me, what it is that I percive to be the real message of this symbol which is supposed to be more about peace and love, I find to be more about contention, and hate more than anything else that this symbol might purport to be about by many who might display it trying to get some message across to others. So anyway, as she shuffled on into another busness nearby, I reflected for a moment about its meaning to me, as I studied this decal, what I consider too be an upside-down cross of denial concerning the validity of the cruxifiction of Jesus Christ, or more like a general statement concerning overwhelming contempt for Him and what He did for us at Calvary. As I did, I begain to think about St. Peter, one of Jesus' most outspoken, and opinionated disciples. Tradition says that Peter,initially a disciple of Jesus' earthly ministry and latter apostle of Christ to the nations, and one who God used to help write two books of the New Testament of the Bible was also at one point in his earthly ministry for Christ was also crucified to a tree as Jesus was some years before in order to make available eternal life to all that would accept this ultumate sacrifice for all to benifit from. However tradition also says that Peter upon his crucifiction requested that he be cruxified in a manner unlike his Lord, and Savior, because he stated at that time that he,(Peter) was not worthy to die in the identical manner in which Jesus graciously did for all of us, and Peter himself, without a doubt also. And tradition says also then, that St. Peter was cruxified on an upside-down cross to the point of death shedding his earthly rainment in order to put on the incorruptability of the very One, that is Jesus Christ, who he,(again Peter) denied three times after the arrest of Jesus. And even though at the time of Jesus' arrest, Peter as the Bible dictates, drew his sword to protect Jesus from this happening, and cut off a man's ear in the party that came to illegally arrest Him,(Jesus) late that night. This event took place just two days away from the celibration and lawful observance of the Jewish Passover, in the garden of Gethseminee across the Kidron Valley with blood at that time from animal sacrifice running red through its brook, only short distance from the city of Jersualem where He was to be executed for all people to make attonment for all sin , once and for all by the shedding of Blood. His Blood. Now, I believe that Peter was one of the first of Jesus, disciples to have been filled with the Holy Spirit as the New Testament Scriptures dictate. It was Peter who said under the Spirit's influence that Jesus, speaking directly to Jesus said, ''Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.'' Jesus said,''Peter flesh and blood has not reaveled this unto you, but the Father who art in Heaven.'' Now the Bible does say that God is certainly no respector of persons, but in what I know concerning this is that God is no respector of the flesh that encases a man, or woman's spirit which is nor born of the determination of a man, and a woman, but which is Borne by the Spirit of God as a created living state of the art being. And it is under these circumstances that God will show what we as humans might consider to be partiallity, or even a certain level of favoritism as I believe that this is a Scriptural reality concerning who recieves God's blessing, and then again, who does not. So back to what St. Peter, an Apostle of Christ, and what he must have gone through personally, once being a willfully active and tenatious disciple of Christ during Jesus' earthiy ministry when He was known as,''Immanuel,'' as Bible prophecy came alive as,God with us,'' as Jesus most certainly was, to a tormented man, that is Peter as he bitterly went out and wept for denying Jesus before people three times before the rooster sounded off as a testament to Peter's own lack of Faith in his Savior. Or could it have been that Peter was trying to save his own skin, as it were, from being arrested, tryed as a rebel himself and suffering death right alongside Jesus in the short time that was left before that Jesus was nailed to the cross, because even the Chief Priests and scribes or the religious authorities, of that day said that,''It would be expediant for this man, that is so-calledSon of God, or Jesus, should die for the good and benifit of the people.'' Howerer though, I believe that those words spoken by them were out of spite and of a sarcastic nature only concerning the Messiah. The Bible says that,'' cursed is every man who hangeth from a tree.'' So here we have Peter having no choice but to endure a curse of his own. Denying Christ, especially due to what was going on right then. I wonder if Peter also ever put himself in the same arena, and heart-felt guilt mindset in many ways the same way that Judas Iscariot did after he(Judas) attempted to return the blood money back to the Jewish religious authorities only to be told by them that it was not legal for them to do so, thus Judas after throwing the money across the sanctuary floor went out and hanged himself. Again, the Bible states that,''Cursed is every man that hangeth from a tree.'' So then, what about Peter? How might we as followers of Christ felt if this same thing would have unfortunatly happened to one of us concerning denying Jesus in a simular way the St. Peter most certainly did? Well, I believe that we all as the Bible says, have come short of the Kingdom of God in a simular fashion just as Peter did with many other followers of Jesus following his(Peter's) example shortly thereafter. So, in knowing this in the same way that Peter knew it, then what are we to do about setting this shortcoming of our's around to the glory of God? Well first off we as Christians must ask God for forgivness useing that same One,(Jesus) who we all denyed at time through our own actions against Him to restore us back to our original state with God. And that is to be holy as God, in Christ is holy expecting nothing less. And it is because of this, that I do not normally judge others for what they try to represent, or the way that they might appear to me, because in the flesh, that is, when it is in control, then I am of the opinion that there is a little anti-christ in each on of us too. Ignorant of this fact or not. The Bible says that,Judge not, lest ye be Judged. But if you do judge someone or something as to be Scripturally sound as righteous actions to be taken by you concerning all things and all people, then let the word of God or the Bible, do the judging for you. Not to take action against, but to take action in spite of the way that you would normally act in the flesh toward every other person and their circumstances on how that effects you to become an effective witness for Christ to them as God's love shows through you!. That is, as a true disciple of Christ and not as the world would do generally toward others. But always in the love that God has shown us, expecting a full return for His effort with dividends brought right back to us as blessing and honor through Christ. That is Calvary, and that is the Way to go! Because God expects nothing less than this as He is the Author and Finisher of even our own faith. And to be responsible when dealing with other people, no matter how it is that they might appear to us Thanks, SAE |
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No more Red Bull at lunch for you young man.....  Hey speaking of that, did you know that the most highest and costly sacrifice that a Jew, or the foreign resident who lived among them back when Temple sacrifices were made in Old Testament times was a bullock, or a bull to atone for sin by the shedding of its blood by a Levite Priest? You know, the ''Red Bull,'' which was representative of Jesus Christ, or the coming Messiah. as it were back then and so happens to be for now and for evermore! The commercial beverage however I don't think is quite that good for you as opposed to the One that is able to allow one to live in very good health, and spirits as the Bible says that God will for being in a constant state of communion with Him. And this is what jacks me up much more than any energy drink ever could! And with no crashes or let-downs either! 
It is God too, through Jesus Christ, that is the ,''real thing,'' and not some fizzy, sugar and caffine drink, although I believe that a coke right now might be kind of satisifing as long as the wife doesn't mind me having one instead of ice tea or a gallon of water for me to drink all day long.   
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You saw a peace sign on a Volkswagen - cogs in your head begin to turn - you come up with one thousand nine hundred and forty words to describe your feelings.
I'm glad you didn't run across this one. PIC Also , I think the "red bull" you mentioned is actually a "perfect red heifer", scripturally speaking, that is. You are forgiven because you are obviously are in sensory overload mode. |
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I'm not really sure what you were trying to do with that post. However, I do find it somewhat amusing that people associate the upside down cross with all manner of nefarious things. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/zack3gpics/9c5edb4a.jpg Seems like it's not so bad after all.  I believe that that particular up-side down cross has to do with the symbolism of the cruxifiction of St. Peter also. However, as St. Peter has been generally thought of and accepted by the Roman Catholic Church as Peter being the first Pope of that order, I believe that the way the Roman Catholic Church has come up with this has been taken out of context according to the passage about what the,''Rock,'' actually is in Scripture as being totally incorrect as pertaining to its real, and in my own opinion, valid, meaning. And I believe that the proper as well as intended meaning concerning what the Scripture has to say about this has to do much more concerning a man, that is any man having the capability of possessing through the Holy Spirit of God, a gift of Godly wisdom through that Godly knowledge, which is revelation knowledge, sent by God, and in that particular context only. And this also includes Jesus Christ at that time not delegating or prescribing any particular position toward St. Peter about. You may refute this if you want, as has been done on this forum on countless occassions, however to me, it is what a person, either Catholic, or some other denomination believes is the true meaning about in fact just what it was thatJesus was telling St. Peter, in regard to the comments He made concerning,''and upon this rock,'' and so forth. Thanks, SAE |
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You saw a peace sign on a Volkswagen - cogs in your head begin to turn - you come up with one thousand nine hundred and forty words to describe your feelings. I'm glad you didn't run across this one. PIC Also , I think the "red bull" you mentioned is actually a "perfect red heifer", scripturally speaking, that is. You are forgiven because you are obviously are in sensory overload mode. Actually, I will take your comment directed toward me about,''sensory overload mode,'' as a complement, no matter what it is that your particular implications are concerning that toward me, because as it is, I have never been accused of being in this particular state before now which I find quite amusing actually, even pretty much laughable, as it were. However, about the,''Red Bull,'' thing;It was certainly not my original intention to mention anything concerning a,''perfect red heifer,'' by any account of what that is described about in Old Testament Scripture. What I was refering to, thus relating to, in my previous posting concerning this was about a person of the Jewish faith using what the Bible calls a plain,''bullock'', as the most expensive and costly of all other animal sacrifices at the time, otherwise described in the Bible as ,''a rich man's offering,'' and not something else such as your,''perfect red heifer'' comment about such. The ''Red'' as I used it was only a play on words, as it were, concerning the precious Blood that Christ shed at Calvary, in order that the Scriptures be fulfilled as it pertains to the opportunity of eternal salvation for all of mankind. Sorry, if I didn't make myself more clear about this. Also, at this time if you personally believe that a peace sybol holds no spiritually negative meaning concerning the cruxifiction of Christ, then I certainly will not hold it against you for whatever reason that you seem to have some kind of contention with me about. In other words , if you don't believe that way I do concerning this so-called,''peace symbol,'' which I believe is a inwardly covert symbol of rebellion towards God in the form of an up-side down cross, and is anti-christian at its core, then hey, go with what you know if you know what I mean there guy! It won't hurt my feelings at all in any event of a debate, if this is what you want. Thanks, SAE |
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You saw a peace sign on a Volkswagen - cogs in your head begin to turn - you come up with one thousand nine hundred and forty words to describe your feelings. I'm glad you didn't run across this one. PIC Also , I think the "red bull" you mentioned is actually a "perfect red heifer", scripturally speaking, that is. You are forgiven because you are obviously are in sensory overload mode. Actually, I will take your comment directed toward me about,''sensory overload mode,'' as a complement, no matter what it is that your particular implications are concerning that toward me, because as it is, I have never been accused of being in this particular state before now which I find quite amusing actually, even pretty much laughable, as it were. It won't hurt my feelings at all in any event of a debate, if this is what you want. Thanks, SAE Seriously, and I mean this in a totally inquisitive way, not a jab in any way....has something changed in your life? An event, medicine change, spiritual experience ...? I' ask because I've noticed a change in the volume and content of your posts, not really a better or worse thing, just a change in style ? I read most of what goes into the religion forum and have noticed this. As for the symbol and what it means, if you look up it's origin you'll find various ideas, some pretty benign and some of a sinister type. As with most things, people will find what they are looking for and expect to find. If I'm looking for reasons to believe everyone is conspiring against Jesus.....I find 'em. If I'm looking for reasons to believe everyone is loving Jesus....I find 'em. Funny how things work that way. The "sensory overload mode" comment was an admittedly weak attempt at humor. Sorry I didn't use a smiley thingy 
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You saw a peace sign on a Volkswagen - cogs in your head begin to turn - you come up with one thousand nine hundred and forty words to describe your feelings. I'm glad you didn't run across this one. PIC Also , I think the "red bull" you mentioned is actually a "perfect red heifer", scripturally speaking, that is. You are forgiven because you are obviously are in sensory overload mode. Actually, I will take your comment directed toward me about,''sensory overload mode,'' as a complement, no matter what it is that your particular implications are concerning that toward me, because as it is, I have never been accused of being in this particular state before now which I find quite amusing actually, even pretty much laughable, as it were. It won't hurt my feelings at all in any event of a debate, if this is what you want. Thanks, SAE Seriously, and I mean this in a totally inquisitive way, not a jab in any way....has something changed in your life? An event, medicine change, spiritual experience ...? I' ask because I've noticed a change in the volume and content of your posts, not really a better or worse thing, just a change in style ? I read most of what goes into the religion forum and have noticed this. As for the symbol and what it means, if you look up it's origin you'll find various ideas, some pretty benign and some of a sinister type. As with most things, people will find what they are looking for and expect to find. If I'm looking for reasons to believe everyone is conspiring against Jesus.....I find 'em. If I'm looking for reasons to believe everyone is loving Jesus....I find 'em. Funny how things work that way. The "sensory overload mode" comment was an admittedly weak attempt at humor. Sorry I didn't use a smiley thingy Well,bullsi, I may myself have jumped the gun, so to speak, about your post in general, sorry if I came off the wrong way. As for some changes according to some of the things that I have posted here as of late,I believe if you may be percieving some content changes about my postings, is because of my furthering walk with the Lord Jesus Christ, and through His gracious Holy Spirit, that is, what I strongly believe that He is continuing to educate me about right now. As it is right now, I take no medicines and have no known medical conditions and generally feel quite all right. I believe that what it is that God is attemting to show me here recently and mainly through His word, or the Christian Bible, for the most part, is a direct result of my personal study of the Bible in which I would estimate in the last year I have logged several thousand hours in It. Now, I'm not saying that this makes me an expert by any means. If you hadn't asked me why that it is that you have personally noticed a few changes about the way that I post now, as oppossed to before, then I probably would not mention anything about my attempts to futher my study about God's word, or the Bible at all. It is true that many people, which includes me , is that we as Christians, or concerning anyone for that ,have certain views, even personal prejudices concerning just about anything, as our moods and personal mindsets usually dictate such. Now, in my OP I mentioned concerning the so-called''peace movment,'' of the ninteen-sixties, is where I first personally noticed this,''peace,'' type symbol usually associated with people better known back then as,''hippies,'' or ,''beatnik'' crowd. I also inseted after that that my father at that time was a , ''a highly decorated carrer military man,'' because that is what he was and fully expected his son, that would be me, to veiw this,''peace movment,'' in much the same way as he personally did. And as it was, and certainly as one might , my father nor any of his friends, did not in any way share any of the personal views that the hippies did about the ongoing war in Vietnam, or the unconformed ways that these kinds of folks presented themselves in public. And especially having to do with what they had to say about society in general,the language that they used in order to do this, drug use and the acceptance of drugs for recreational use and so forth. This is why that I had stated this fact about my own father in order to let others know that I orginally as a kid had some very definate pregudices of my own about that movement in general because of the way that I was personally brought up into young adulthood. Now that being stated, and clarified, I do in fact feel that there still may be some linguring effects as it concerns certain people that by an early age I was taught by my main authority figure, that is my father, to shun away from for the reasons listed above. However, now in my early fifties and believe that I have moved ahead as God would have me to do in some of these areas, according to what, and how, God's word speaks directly to me, especially right now. It is certainly true that I might have some negitive feelings in the way that I personally felt about something, or better yet somebody, in the past as only a point of reference about where it is that I have personally come from, but in no way casts any type of set image about where it is that God may be leading me through His own revelation knowlege through the Holy Ghost of God. It is this Spirit, that has been most valuable to me in all areas which not only directly affect my own life, but also will directly affect the lives that through this,''Teacher,'' and ,the Bible descibes Him, a seperate entity of the ''Godhead'', or the,''Trinity'', not through the demonstrations of,''goodwill toward men,''by intentions by men, or women only, but with power. And it is this ''power,'' that has the full capability of moving one ahead. I am not capable of producing this power, and no one else is either. But still as it stands today there are certain church orginizations that believe that through their own determination that they can reproduce just that, that is God's unlimited power base,a potential gift unto all men, by purly human means and through purly human interpetations according to what they might feel that God might be saying to them as a denominational entity suppossedly within the body of Christ, but in all actuality they have in fact, decieved many. 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Thought it was a broken cross, witches foot, anti-Christ. Seem to remember reading about a pagan/witch/coven practice ritual where the cross is broken and tossed into a circle. (perhaps a resident witch can or pagan will chime in.) Well, to the OP's point, the upside down cross is not a symbol that is Anti-Christ- but rather something that gives him glory. But the "Peace Sign"? No, that's all Nuclear Disarmament. Now, have some people labeled it a pagan symbol? Sure. Are history and fact on their side? Not really. |
I am doing this... ....I dont do crosses as symbols....celebration over someones's death...not even my ex wife's. I like an angel with a trumpet. Proclaim He is risen and he is Lord" sort of thing...peace symbol, nuclear disarmamant, broken cross of Christ......I really can't say. Is a swastika good or bad? Hitler liked the occult and saw them on Buddhist temples. He then adopted them as his symbols for some other purpose. Hijacked it as it were. So there ya go. Put into it what you want but look to the person not the symbol.
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