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12/7/2011 4:05:14 AM EDT
I've been pretty much living under a rock the last 4-5 years. All my development is kinda stuck in .NET 2.0 although I have taken advantage of extension methods.






















I've been developing on MS platforms for more than 15 years, beginning with VB3 (actually PDS 7.1 prior to that). I've got extensive enterprise-level experience with .NET, classic VB & ASP. Most of my work the past 5-ish years has been writing Windows Service applications against OLTP systems. Mutli-threaded, asynch stuff. 2-tier (app server <-> db server) mostly.

















I'm currently developing (compiling is probably more accurate) in VS2008 but have VS2010 Ultimate installed and am preparing to move to .NET 4.0. But I've got a lot of catching up to do.



















I used to be on the usenet groups but that obviously isn't where things are at these days. So where are all the cool kids hanging out these days (forums)? I'd prefer to stay away from MS forums as I suspect "issues" may be heavily moderated.

















However, all these new frameworks are where my programming-fu sucks, MVC, Entity Framework, MVVM, etc.






Any recommendations on getting up to speed on VS2010, et al?



















I'm self-employed so train-up suggestions need to be cost conscious, although I do have a training budget. My biggest concern in dropping coin on a hands-on "boot camp" as I don't need beginner level training. I've already picked up the following books...

























Any other suggestions?








 
 


 
12/7/2011 7:06:26 AM EDT
[#1]
Last year, Microsoft transitioned all their usenet  groups to web forums.
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx
12/7/2011 7:25:56 AM EDT
[#2]
http://stackoverflow.com/ is where all of the Microsoft cultists I work with go when trying to solve Microsoft problems.

I wouldn't bother with wasting time learning more about Microsoft's dead-end .NET Framework.  They announced they're giving up on it.  They've screwed a lot of developers with their decision to kill it.  The company I work for is made-up of about half former Microsoft drones, and we're going to have a rough time converting all of our back-end systems to Java and front-ends to PHP.  The better maintainability, performance, and reliability are nice, but it's still a steep learning curve.z
12/7/2011 7:36:39 AM EDT
[#3]



Quoted:


http://stackoverflow.com/ is where all of the Microsoft cultists I work with go when trying to solve Microsoft problems.



I wouldn't bother with wasting time learning more about Microsoft's dead-end .NET Framework.  They announced they're giving up on it.  They've screwed a lot of developers with their decision to kill it.  The company I work for is made-up of about half former Microsoft drones, and we're going to have a rough time converting all of our back-end systems to Java and front-ends to PHP.  The better maintainability, performance, and reliability are nice, but it's still a steep learning curve.z



Yep I'm on Stack Overflow as well as Programmers. I'm a big fan of Jeff Atwood @ http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/ and Joel Spolsky @ http://www.joelonsoftware.com/



I'm trying to find discussion forums for exactly what is in your second paragraph. I've gotten bits and pieces here at ARFCOM about this, but I can't find anything out on the web. I would imagine there's a metric ton of discussions somewhere that detail all this.

 


12/7/2011 10:03:40 AM EDT
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Quoted:

They've screwed a lot of developers with their decision to kill it.




Most of the .net devs I know are happy they dropped it.
12/7/2011 10:31:23 AM EDT
[#5]
....Huh?  What's this about Microsoft dropping .NET?  They already have developer previews out for version 4.5.
12/7/2011 11:28:28 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
....Huh?  What's this about Microsoft dropping .NET?  They already have developer previews out for version 4.5.


News to me too. The presentations and slide decks from Build all show .NET having their place in non-Metro apps. Some slide decks show .NET on the Metro side of the house too. The one thing I have NOT heard is that Microsoft was outright dropping .NET.
12/7/2011 9:23:47 PM EDT
[#7]




Quoted:



Quoted:

....Huh? What's this about Microsoft dropping .NET? They already have developer previews out for version 4.5.




News to me too. The presentations and slide decks from Build all show .NET having their place in non-Metro apps. Some slide decks show .NET on the Metro side of the house too. The one thing I have NOT heard is that Microsoft was outright dropping .NET.




They haven't. They are in a transition, which will likely take until 2020.
12/19/2011 8:11:40 AM EDT
[#8]
bump.