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Originally Posted By Keekleberrys: been pretty quiet. guess theres no drama going on right now. im finally finishing up my computer room so hoping to get back into flying. Funny thing is I keep it updated and my Thrustmaster HOTAS connected to my PC. I'll give it more time and see if all the drama and developmental issues settle down. I keep my flying bug satiated with the 737 and 757 in X-Plane and MSFS. |
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Originally Posted By BRS1912: Thats odd. Never seen it. Which maps btw? |
What it boils down to is that they fear an effective resistance to their power: So, Left in power=Guns bad, mmmmkay...?, Right in power=Guns good!-thskirk
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Originally Posted By SquatchAv8: I've put DCS to bed several months ago and haven't touched it. Funny thing is I keep it updated and my Thrustmaster HOTAS connected to my PC. I'll give it more time and see if all the drama and developmental issues settle down. I keep my flying bug satiated with the 737 and 757 in X-Plane and MSFS. Yeah DCS MP has died out significantly recently many people are pissed about the Razbam situation still being unresolved. Amusingly Razbam may partner with Microprose for falcon5. That would a be a swift kick in ED's nuts. ED is still pushing out half baked crap as well... Iraq map, missing Iranian airbases, give me a break, one of the largest and the longest air war in the region, and ED is like Nah... Go bomb a toyota... Fuck that. This thread is yet another data point that people are just fed up with it all. https://forum.dcs.world/topic/361226-dcs-players-have-had-enough-a-youtubers-opinion/ |
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Originally Posted By BRS1912: Thats odd. Never seen it. Which maps btw? Originally Posted By BRS1912: Originally Posted By Alaskanforfreedom: I keep having a weird CTD issue. When loading maps. Only some. Thats odd. Never seen it. Which maps btw? |
What it boils down to is that they fear an effective resistance to their power: So, Left in power=Guns bad, mmmmkay...?, Right in power=Guns good!-thskirk
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I can't believe they are going to try for a 'full Fidelity' F35A. I imagine stealth will be horribly broken and one sided and they can't even make a functional EM CON button in the hornet 
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Originally Posted By marmelstien: I can't believe they are going to try for a 'full Fidelity' F35A. I imagine stealth will be horribly broken and one sided and they can't even make a functional EM CON button in the hornet I forsee so much drama from adding Fat Amy. |
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There’s no way in hell they can model the F-35 to any kind of realistic standard. Might as well develop DCS: X-Wing at this point. |
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All the clamor for the most modern stuff guarantees rampant speculation. You just can't get full fidelity because so much of it is classified. A cut off year where you can get all the documentation for everything would be best for accuracy, but cuts a lot of the potential market who want today's stuff. I'd be OK with an early '80's or late '70's cut-off, though it puts red-air at a disadvantage in a lot of ways. The game is also hurt, I think, by single examples of planes with multitudes of versions. And it's always the last version of the originating nation, it seems. The MiG-21PF and MiG-21-F-13 would be a good planes to have. Someone was (is?) working on the F-8J crusader when the F-8E is the main version. The Phantom is really two planes when you divide Navy/Air Force. Even so the F-4E changes many times in USAF service. Many more outside, especially with the mods that Israeli, Greece and Turkey flew. The anachronisms add up and it bugs me. |
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Originally Posted By marmelstien: I can't believe they are going to try for a 'full Fidelity' F35A. I imagine stealth will be horribly broken and one sided and they can't even make a functional EM CON button in the hornet ED f35 will be a total joke. Their sources are literally youtube vids. |
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Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: Originally Posted By 2alpha-down0: Might as well develop DCS: X-Wing at this point. https://media1.giphy.com/media/ztujni1w6RR96/200.gif?cid=6c09b952iujywls2049k33bwq5qh5ng27c90h9zenh1shalt&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=200.gif&ct=g You can already get it as a mod.   "DCS WARS" taking out Tie fighters on the DCS |
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Originally Posted By Turbo_Kill3r: I mean if ED is just making it up at this point then it opens the door for more Red planes. Bring on the SU-57 and 75. But you see Russian modern planes "is different".... This whole thing is such a laughable shitshow. DCS's whole "brand" was realism. Which well, varied considerably, but at least people thought they tried. An F35, with 0 documentation, 0 SME input, aside from some youtube videos of the Lockmart sim, is gonna be fucking LOFL level bad. This is such a desperate cash grab for them its not even funny. Like none of the maps they put out have seen an update this year, the hook is still very early EA... ED radars are still modeled like trash despite the 2 year long "rework". Its just sad how its falling apart. And Razgate is STILL ongoing. |
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Originally Posted By Harlikwin: But you see Russian modern planes "is different".... This whole thing is such a laughable shitshow. DCS's whole "brand" was realism. Which well, varied considerably, but at least people thought they tried. An F35, with 0 documentation, 0 SME input, aside from some youtube videos of the Lockmart sim, is gonna be fucking LOFL level bad. This is such a desperate cash grab for them its not even funny. Like none of the maps they put out have seen an update this year, the hook is still very early EA... ED radars are still modeled like trash despite the 2 year long "rework". Its just sad how its falling apart. And Razgate is STILL ongoing. Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Originally Posted By Turbo_Kill3r: I mean if ED is just making it up at this point then it opens the door for more Red planes. Bring on the SU-57 and 75. But you see Russian modern planes "is different".... This whole thing is such a laughable shitshow. DCS's whole "brand" was realism. Which well, varied considerably, but at least people thought they tried. An F35, with 0 documentation, 0 SME input, aside from some youtube videos of the Lockmart sim, is gonna be fucking LOFL level bad. This is such a desperate cash grab for them its not even funny. Like none of the maps they put out have seen an update this year, the hook is still very early EA... ED radars are still modeled like trash despite the 2 year long "rework". Its just sad how its falling apart. And Razgate is STILL ongoing. My understanding is that they're a Russian company that operates under Russian law and the Russian government is pretty unwilling to let them use the modern designs. Or something to that effect |
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Originally Posted By cone256: Still no A-6, still no care. I want the: FJ-3 Fury F-8 Crusader MiG-23 B-70 Valkyrie F-108 Rapier Be cool to have a Cold War Goes Hot scenario, with a team running a B-52 into the USSR on a nuclear strike, By Dawn's Early Light/Flight Of The Old Dog-style. |
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Originally Posted By ChaosSquared: My understanding is that they're a Russian company that operates under Russian law and the Russian government is pretty unwilling to let them use the modern designs. Or something to that effect They haven't been Russia-oriented for a long time. One of their two co-founders was Russian (the other a Brit), and most of their programming was done in Moscow (this is back in the early 90's), with the rest of the operation working out of the UK. In 2018, the Russian dude died, and they decamped to Switzerland. They've got some contractors still in Russia (and Belarus), but the bulk of the work is done in the US, UK, Italy, Spain, Germany, etc. Doubt the Russian .gov has any input into their stuff, these days. |
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Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: They haven't been Russia-oriented for a long time. One of their two co-founders was Russian (the other a Brit), and most of their programming was done in Moscow (this is back in the early 90's), with the rest of the operation working out of the UK. In 2018, the Russian dude died, and they decamped to Switzerland. They've got some contractors still in Russia (and Belarus), but the bulk of the work is done in the US, UK, Italy, Spain, Germany, etc. Doubt the Russian .gov has any input into their stuff, these days. Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: Originally Posted By ChaosSquared: My understanding is that they're a Russian company that operates under Russian law and the Russian government is pretty unwilling to let them use the modern designs. Or something to that effect They haven't been Russia-oriented for a long time. One of their two co-founders was Russian (the other a Brit), and most of their programming was done in Moscow (this is back in the early 90's), with the rest of the operation working out of the UK. In 2018, the Russian dude died, and they decamped to Switzerland. They've got some contractors still in Russia (and Belarus), but the bulk of the work is done in the US, UK, Italy, Spain, Germany, etc. Doubt the Russian .gov has any input into their stuff, these days. Thanks for the clarification. I'm just kind of repeating what I've read on Reddit in the past couple days. I only started playing DCS about 2 weeks ago. |
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Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: They haven't been Russia-oriented for a long time. One of their two co-founders was Russian (the other a Brit), and most of their programming was done in Moscow (this is back in the early 90's), with the rest of the operation working out of the UK. In 2018, the Russian dude died, and they decamped to Switzerland. They've got some contractors still in Russia (and Belarus), but the bulk of the work is done in the US, UK, Italy, Spain, Germany, etc. Doubt the Russian .gov has any input into their stuff, these days. LOL nope. The entire core ED coding team is in Moscow, BST was in belarus, they also had some guys in Ukraine prior to recent unpleasantness. They literally have a 1 room office in switzerland where Nicks son has a "make work" job. They had a few guys in Dubai for a while not sure now. 3rd parties are all over the place, the only Euros are the 3rd parties. |
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Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: I want the: FJ-3 Fury "Nope never coming" F-8 Crusader "Made by M3, so basically never coming" MiG-23 "Shitcanned due to ED stealing a few million dollars from Razbam" B-70 Valkyrie "Maybe coming since ED declared they no longer need actual documents to make a jet" F-108 Rapier "Nope never coming" Be cool to have a Cold War Goes Hot scenario, with a team running a B-52 into the USSR on a nuclear strike, By Dawn's Early Light/Flight Of The Old Dog-style. Answered for you in red. |
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Originally Posted By ChaosSquared: My understanding is that they're a Russian company that operates under Russian law and the Russian government is pretty unwilling to let them use the modern designs. Or something to that effect Thats more or less it. Though its also an excuse they use to not make modules they don't think will sell well, and they don't think most Soviet era stuff would sell well, so they let 3rd parties do those. The mig-29 will be the interesting test case. Their CEO said if it sells well, they might consider other stuff. If not, red air is dead from ED anyway. And the only other developer capable of doing it was Razbam, and they are most likely done with DCS depending on how everything shakes out. |
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Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Thats more or less it. Though its also an excuse they use to not make modules they don't think will sell well, and they don't think most Soviet era stuff would sell well, so they let 3rd parties do those. The mig-29 will be the interesting test case. Their CEO said if it sells well, they might consider other stuff. If not, red air is dead from ED anyway. And the only other developer capable of doing it was Razbam, and they are most likely done with DCS depending on how everything shakes out. Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Originally Posted By ChaosSquared: My understanding is that they're a Russian company that operates under Russian law and the Russian government is pretty unwilling to let them use the modern designs. Or something to that effect Thats more or less it. Though its also an excuse they use to not make modules they don't think will sell well, and they don't think most Soviet era stuff would sell well, so they let 3rd parties do those. The mig-29 will be the interesting test case. Their CEO said if it sells well, they might consider other stuff. If not, red air is dead from ED anyway. And the only other developer capable of doing it was Razbam, and they are most likely done with DCS depending on how everything shakes out. Guess I picked a shitty time to start learning it, eh? Lol |
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Originally Posted By ChaosSquared: Guess I picked a shitty time to start learning it, eh? Lol Originally Posted By ChaosSquared: Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Originally Posted By ChaosSquared: My understanding is that they're a Russian company that operates under Russian law and the Russian government is pretty unwilling to let them use the modern designs. Or something to that effect Thats more or less it. Though its also an excuse they use to not make modules they don't think will sell well, and they don't think most Soviet era stuff would sell well, so they let 3rd parties do those. The mig-29 will be the interesting test case. Their CEO said if it sells well, they might consider other stuff. If not, red air is dead from ED anyway. And the only other developer capable of doing it was Razbam, and they are most likely done with DCS depending on how everything shakes out. Guess I picked a shitty time to start learning it, eh? Lol For some reason there is always drama in the DCS community. I wouldnt sweat it too much. It's still a lot of fun. |
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Originally Posted By ChaosSquared: Guess I picked a shitty time to start learning it, eh? Lol I mean the Razbam fiasco is not great. But as long as you don't own their modules RN you are fine. DCS will keep on keepin on for the near future at least. |
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Originally Posted By Harlikwin: ED f35 will be a total joke. Their sources are literally youtube vids. Thats the public spin. Those who seem to have an idea of what is going on believe that ED got a contract to build a F-35 trainer for one of the non U.S countries that has been sold an F-35. I can see why they won't say that publicly. |
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Originally Posted By BRS1912: Thats the public spin. Those who seem to have an idea of what is going on believe that ED got a contract to build a F-35 trainer for one of the non U.S countries that has been sold an F-35. I can see why they won't say that publicly. Thats 1000% bullshit. LM sells actual trainers (ironically what ED is copying from youtube videos). And 0 nations are giving fucking ED a single document on the F35 lest they want to stop flying it or any other US aircraft ever again... Literally anyone that actually knows about this from F35 pilots to people that work for these contractors is laughing their asses off over this. Any "its muh realz" arguments are coming from people that stand to try to make money off EDs BS. Its gonna be arcade mode, and well for plenty of people thats "fine". But any claims of realism are a joke. ED can't fucking model IR blocking clouds, much less how something like DAS or EOTS works. |
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Originally Posted By Harlikwin: I mean the Razbam fiasco is not great. But as long as you don't own their modules RN you are fine. DCS will keep on keepin on for the near future at least. |
What it boils down to is that they fear an effective resistance to their power: So, Left in power=Guns bad, mmmmkay...?, Right in power=Guns good!-thskirk
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Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Thats 1000% bullshit. LM sells actual trainers (ironically what ED is copying from youtube videos). And 0 nations are giving fucking ED a single document on the F35 lest they want to stop flying it or any other US aircraft ever again... Literally anyone that actually knows about this from F35 pilots to people that work for these contractors is laughing their asses off over this. Any "its muh realz" arguments are coming from people that stand to try to make money off EDs BS. Its gonna be arcade mode, and well for plenty of people thats "fine". But any claims of realism are a joke. ED can't fucking model IR blocking clouds, much less how something like DAS or EOTS works. |
What it boils down to is that they fear an effective resistance to their power: So, Left in power=Guns bad, mmmmkay...?, Right in power=Guns good!-thskirk
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Originally Posted By Alaskanforfreedom: Hopefully HB and ED never have a falling out. Hate to break it to you, they already have over the F14 a while back which was actually the precedent for the F15 fiasco. HB basically didn't pay HB for 18 months after the F14 released. And the pushed out the 1/4 done F16 to pay them off eventually. So like Razgate in a sense is old but also new. |
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Originally Posted By Alaskanforfreedom: The only thing I was enthused about coming from ED was the FF F15C. The F35 for me just doesn't fit the game. The Typhoon and the Strike Eagle are OP enough. IDK, I certainly agree about the F35. ED basically jumped the shark with it. They can't model it worth a shit. So their whole "muh realism" shtick is dead at this point. The sad thing about the 15C is that its gonna be some 2005 or whenever version. Loong after it was actually king shit of the air in the 80's and 90's, and ED is not budging on making an older one. So like whee, peak realism, go fly CAP against the Taliban or whatever the fuck. Or well, maybe I guess we might invade europe/greenland at this point so the EF/15C matchup might be relevant. The worse part of this ED told Grinnelli to pound sand when he asked if he could make an 70s/early 80's F15A. |
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Originally Posted By Bounce19712: Neat I mean it is what it is. Most people will just buy whatever slop ED puts out regardless of the ethics of it because they either don't know or care. The Dunning Krugers will claim DCS is still realistic or whatever because they are Dunning Krugers about the F35 and want to go do warthunder and pretend DCS is better. |
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Originally Posted By Harlikwin: I mean it is what it is. Most people will just buy whatever slop ED puts out regardless of the ethics of it because they either don't know or care. The Dunning Krugers will claim DCS is still realistic or whatever because they are Dunning Krugers about the F35 and want to go do warthunder and pretend DCS is better. The ethics of it?  It's a game dude. |
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: The ethics of it? It's a game dude. Yeah, a company ripping off the devs to the tune of a few million dollars. But hey fuck those guys, not like they need to eat, they shoulda known better. I forsee that several of the existing "upcoming" projects might get shitcanned over it if they don't actually get paid. |
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Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Yeah, a company ripping off the devs to the tune of a few million dollars. But hey fuck those guys, not like they need to eat, they shoulda known better. I forsee that several of the existing "upcoming" projects might get shitcanned over it if they don't actually get paid. Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: The ethics of it? It's a game dude. Yeah, a company ripping off the devs to the tune of a few million dollars. But hey fuck those guys, not like they need to eat, they shoulda known better. I forsee that several of the existing "upcoming" projects might get shitcanned over it if they don't actually get paid. Are you just talking about the F-35 module or bagging on the program as a whole because someone said "Neat"? If the latter, why are you here? |
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Are you just talking about the F-35 module or bagging on the program as a whole because someone said "Neat"? If the latter, why are you here? Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: The ethics of it? It's a game dude. Yeah, a company ripping off the devs to the tune of a few million dollars. But hey fuck those guys, not like they need to eat, they shoulda known better. I forsee that several of the existing "upcoming" projects might get shitcanned over it if they don't actually get paid. Are you just talking about the F-35 module or bagging on the program as a whole because someone said "Neat"? If the latter, why are you here? To announce to the world his edgy opinions, duh. |
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Are you just talking about the F-35 module or bagging on the program as a whole because someone said "Neat"? If the latter, why are you here? Literally I don't care about the F-35 in DCS. It will be made up simple as. Arcade plane. ED is doing it a) because they are likely broke, and b) to compete with Falcon5 which they see as "threat" even though no one really knows what it will look like. I think the F35 IRL is an amazing jet. But there is little point to in DCS, plus ED has always tried to hang their hat on "realism" which well at least with that module is a joke. I hope they actually do good with the mig29 mostly, now that they manage to kill the mig23. I'm also dubious on the F15C they announced as well, cuz once again, whats the point, maybe to fight the Eurofighter? |
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Originally Posted By Seth_Livzz: To announce to the world his edgy opinions, duh. Yeah so one of the Devs that ED stole money from is on the verge of bankrupcy due all of this and just had his 2nd kid. edited I actually interact with the side of that community that builds the planes you pretend to fly and "things aint all gud" brah. There are actual people getting hurt on account of Nick Greys bullshit about all this. Frankly I'll laugh if it all ends in ITAR violations TBH which is a distinct possibility at this point. |