Posted: 6/21/2014 7:42:45 PM EDT
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is back on Netflix instant watching.
Pretty good documentary if you havent had a chance to see it. |
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competitive, egotistical people use steroids... Or professionals who make money and directly rely on steroids for the edge. (hollywood, pro athletes, etc) good documentary overall though... people think steroids are rare or elusive. I can almost guarantee there are juicers in the vast majority of gyms. Loads of people don't even look like they juice. |
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Decent enough i guess. I find it extremely difficult to relate to the people and the desire to do steroids. I don't know, just didn't connect with the bell brother crying because he might lose his wife over how obsessed he is. If taking steroids in the difference between making millions in the pros or not making it of course they are going to take steroids. Steroids aren't as horrible evil drug as the government makes them out to be. They estimate that around 75% of steroid users are not proffessional athletes they are just average everyday people. USA is one of the few countries that they are illegal. |
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Decent enough i guess. I find it extremely difficult to relate to the people and the desire to do steroids. I don't know, just didn't connect with the bell brother crying because he might lose his wife over how obsessed he is. I get the feeling it's not the only thing he uses. I can go to a doc and get a sex change paid for by the people, two states I can go and get high at my own pleasure. But jesus fucking christ if I want to take something that makes me stronger, faster, bigger then it's a fucking travesty that Congress needs to protect me from. Free the Juice. Let the spice flow. |
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He died in rehab for substance abuse......don't think the substance was steroids. Quoted:
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I get the feeling it's not the only thing he uses. He died in rehab for substance abuse......don't think the substance was steroids. Damn thats awful. I felt bad for him, but the fact is that its hard to connect to someone so obsessed with it all. I've watched some Mark Bell videos lately and listened to his barbell shrugged podcast and he seems like hes going off the deep end a little bit as well. |
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I get the feeling it's not the only thing he uses. I can go to a doc and get a sex change paid for by the people, two states I can go and get high at my own pleasure. But jesus fucking christ if I want to take something that makes me stronger, faster, bigger then it's a fucking travesty that Congress needs to protect me from. Free the Juice. Let the spice flow. Quoted:
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Decent enough i guess. I find it extremely difficult to relate to the people and the desire to do steroids. I don't know, just didn't connect with the bell brother crying because he might lose his wife over how obsessed he is. I get the feeling it's not the only thing he uses. I can go to a doc and get a sex change paid for by the people, two states I can go and get high at my own pleasure. But jesus fucking christ if I want to take something that makes me stronger, faster, bigger then it's a fucking travesty that Congress needs to protect me from. Free the Juice. Let the spice flow. It's just ironic. A chick decides she wants to be a dude and she gets all the test she wants. |
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Joe Biden got pretty upset about the use of steroids in baseball. Guess he had already solved the rest of the worlds problems by then then, and had nothing better to get worked up about or spend 8 days talking about I always lol when he has to stop himself from saying "bastards". |
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Good documentary. Prior to seeing this a few years ago I had done plenty of my own research on the subject. Steroids are just another one of those evil boogeymen that the media and the government had to jump all over because one or two people did them and had bad things happen. One glaring issue with all of the "studies" on steroid use as well as all of the government info on steroid use doesn't actually talk about steroid use at all. They all discuss "steroid abuse" and the side effects of that. They don't want anyone to know that you can utilize them to enhance muscle tissue and athletic performance when taken in proper dosages and have little to no long term side effects whatsoever depending on which types you use.
So, instead of people discussing their use with their doctors and taking safe dosages and cycling properly, they buy them from Bruno down at the Y and risk infections, liver failure, and other disease. There are probably quite a few more over the counter sports supplements that are far more dangerous than moderate doses of steroids. |
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Good documentary. Prior to seeing this a few years ago I had done plenty of my own research on the subject. Steroids are just another one of those evil boogeymen that the media and the government had to jump all over because one or two people did them and had bad things happen. One glaring issue with all of the "studies" on steroid use as well as all of the government info on steroid use doesn't actually talk about steroid use at all. They all discuss "steroid abuse" and the side effects of that. They don't want anyone to know that you can utilize them to enhance muscle tissue and athletic performance when taken in proper dosages and have little to no long term side effects whatsoever depending on which types you use. So, instead of people discussing their use with their doctors and taking safe dosages and cycling properly, they buy them from Bruno down at the Y and risk infections, liver failure, and other disease. There are probably quite a few more over the counter sports supplements that are far more dangerous than moderate doses of steroids. I don't necessarily disagree with any of that but it needs to be pointed out that fucking with hormones is not something to be taken lightly. Gyno & deca-dick are real and if you don't think "roid rage" is real, try spending some time with guys on even moderate tren doses. I'd say at least 90% of the guys I know who are cycling right now have no business messing with steroids. There seem to be too many pimple faced, pencil neck kids at the gym pinning shit they don't understand and thinking it will make them huge. That stooped website posted in the other thread kinda touched a nerve with me. If Dan Green never touched an anabolic he would still be a beast and that idiot that created the website could inject 1500mg a week and still be a skinny weakling. 80-90% of it is just plain hard work and genetics, the juice you gives you that last little bit that most will never have any need for. |
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I don't necessarily disagree with any of that but it needs to be pointed out that fucking with hormones is not something to be taken lightly. Gyno & deca-dick are real and if you don't think "roid rage" is real, try spending some time with guys on even moderate tren doses. I'd say at least 90% of the guys I know who are cycling right now have no business messing with steroids. There seem to be too many pimple faced, pencil neck kids at the gym pinning shit they don't understand and thinking it will make them huge. That stooped website posted in the other thread kinda touched a nerve with me. If Dan Green never touched an anabolic he would still be a beast and that idiot that created the website could inject 1500mg a week and still be a skinny weakling. 80-90% of it is just plain hard work and genetics, the juice you gives you that last little bit that most will never have any need for. Quoted:
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Good documentary. Prior to seeing this a few years ago I had done plenty of my own research on the subject. Steroids are just another one of those evil boogeymen that the media and the government had to jump all over because one or two people did them and had bad things happen. One glaring issue with all of the "studies" on steroid use as well as all of the government info on steroid use doesn't actually talk about steroid use at all. They all discuss "steroid abuse" and the side effects of that. They don't want anyone to know that you can utilize them to enhance muscle tissue and athletic performance when taken in proper dosages and have little to no long term side effects whatsoever depending on which types you use. So, instead of people discussing their use with their doctors and taking safe dosages and cycling properly, they buy them from Bruno down at the Y and risk infections, liver failure, and other disease. There are probably quite a few more over the counter sports supplements that are far more dangerous than moderate doses of steroids. I don't necessarily disagree with any of that but it needs to be pointed out that fucking with hormones is not something to be taken lightly. Gyno & deca-dick are real and if you don't think "roid rage" is real, try spending some time with guys on even moderate tren doses. I'd say at least 90% of the guys I know who are cycling right now have no business messing with steroids. There seem to be too many pimple faced, pencil neck kids at the gym pinning shit they don't understand and thinking it will make them huge. That stooped website posted in the other thread kinda touched a nerve with me. If Dan Green never touched an anabolic he would still be a beast and that idiot that created the website could inject 1500mg a week and still be a skinny weakling. 80-90% of it is just plain hard work and genetics, the juice you gives you that last little bit that most will never have any need for. In one study they compared weight training, weight training with steroids and steroids alone. The group that gained the most lean body mass was the steroid with weight training group. The group that gained the second most LBM was the steroids with no weight training group. The group that gained the least was the weight training without steroids group. That's more than "that last little bit." Let that sink in. You can inject steroids and stay home and you will gain more muscle than the guy who goes to the gym without steroids. They should be legal under a doctors supervision. |
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Believe he's talking about this one.
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101 |
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In one study..... I was not speaking of rats or people that lay on there couch and shoot. They will get to a place that I have seen and you will someday if you keep making up excuses. Either way it should NOT be the governments job to tell me what I can and cannot do to my body. They make steroids illegal but you can eat junk food till you are 500lbs and die of a heart attack. Drink till you kill your liver, smoke till your kill your lungs and they dont regulate any of that. |
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I agree with you 100%. I didn't mean to come off as anti-steroids. I just wish some people would treat them with a little more respect. Skinny kids that can't squat 4 plates pinning themselves in the locker room...that gets to me sometimes. And skinny weaklings that seem to think the only difference between there weak-willed selves and greatness is just a bit a juice.
I like the idea of living in a free country but I'm still going to try and deter unnecessary drug use and crossfitting via peer pressure and bitching on internet forums. |
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I agree with you 100%. I didn't mean to come off as anti-steroids. I just wish some people would treat them with a little more respect. Skinny kids that can't squat 4 plates pinning themselves in the locker room...that gets to me sometimes. And skinny weaklings that seem to think the only difference between there weak-willed selves and greatness is just a bit a juice. I wouldn't really disagree with this either. What I was speaking of before was proper use. Imho, someone shouldn't even THINK about roid use until at least 21 and only when they have gotten the proper work ethic of hitting the gym properly and regularly and gotten their diet down to an exact science. At that point proper dosages of the proper meds both on and off cycle can be done without hardly any side effects whatsoever. Don't overdo the 17AA stuff and keep the dosages moderate. There is clomid and other pre, post, and mid cycle stuff to combat the gyno and other stuff if it even becomes an issue. Generally speaking, roid rage does occur, but usually only if you're a bit of a douche anyway when not on a cycle. You are always going to have the folks that think they can drop a few pills and stick a needle in their rear and just get big, but you pretty much have that anyway with OTC supplements. People think they are like light steroids and they don't have to work for it. For those that know what they are doing and spend years working towards their goal and want something to augment their progress, the government has no right to stand in their way, but there is too much misinformation and people that get upset over what other people do for this to change any time soon. |