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3/27/2012 10:33:03 AM EDT
I need help figuring out if I need stability or neutral shoes or if it really doesn't matter in my case.



I weigh 230 lbs. I was told in the past that anyone over 185 lbs needs stability. I'm not sure how true that statement is.



I am not a pure runner. I run about 6 miles a week on a treadmill, and do another 30 minutes or so a week on an elliptical. I haven't ran outside in a long time, but that doesn't mean I won't start again.



Looking my ankle structure I don't seem to have an pronation issues. My shoes wear heavily on the balls of my feet. I do run heal to toe.





Thanks.
3/27/2012 10:37:43 AM EDT
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I'm at 195 running in neutral shoes and haven't had a real running injury since switching from motion control to neutral shoes a few years ago.  Made the switch based on some video analysis I had done.

3/27/2012 11:10:41 AM EDT
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I need help figuring out if I need stability or neutral shoes or if it really doesn't matter in my case.

I weigh 230 lbs. I was told in the past that anyone over 185 lbs needs stability. I'm not sure how true that statement is.

I am not a pure runner. I run about 6 miles a week on a treadmill, and do another 30 minutes or so a week on an elliptical. I haven't ran outside in a long time, but that doesn't mean I won't start again.

Looking my ankle structure I don't seem to have an pronation issues. My shoes wear heavily on the balls of my feet. I do run heal to toe.


Thanks.


Weight has nothing to do with it.  Movement can be more apparent with excess weight, but by itself its not the indicating factor for choosing shoes.  It has to do with your form and biomechanics.  Youre best off going to a reputable running specialty store, getting your gait and form analyzed and listening to what they have to say.  Its almost impossible to tell if youre having pronation issues looking from the top of your foot.
3/27/2012 11:15:26 AM EDT
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Weight alone isn't a reason to choose a motion control, stability, neutral, or supination, but weight can have an impact on gait, right?

for instance, if I weighed 50 pounds more and my legs rubbed together even worse than they do, it *may* affect my run mechanics.
3/27/2012 11:19:04 AM EDT
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Weight alone isn't a reason to choose a motion control, stability, neutral, or supination, but weight can have an impact on gait, right?

for instance, if I weighed 50 pounds more and my legs rubbed together even worse than they do, it *may* affect my run mechanics.


Exactly.  Weight will also affect biomechanics with dynamic motion as well.  So pronation at 195 lbs may be less apparent than if they were to gain 50 lbs and be at 245.  Especially when we get into running and jumping impacts that can be anywhere from 1.5-8x your body weight.  Those forces with more weight may cause joints to move more excessively.
3/27/2012 11:51:13 AM EDT
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About 2 years ago I went to a local running shop called Second Sole expecting some real insight on my gate, shoe etc and to know exactly what I needed.  (I was running a lot more then).  The guy really wasn't any help and replaced my stability shoes with another pair of stability.  (both pairs were Saucony's).  



There aren't any other running stores in the area besides chain stores.



Last year I bought a pair of Reebok Zig Nanos.  I have really liked then and seem to have no ill effects from them.  I think they are neutral.  They are worn out and I need a new pair.
3/27/2012 12:33:19 PM EDT
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There aren't any other running stores in the area besides chain stores.


What area of Ohio?  PM me if you want.  I'll put out an RFI on some of the multi-sport boards I frequent.
3/27/2012 12:59:36 PM EDT
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About 2 years ago I went to a local running shop called Second Sole expecting some real insight on my gate, shoe etc and to know exactly what I needed.  (I was running a lot more then).  The guy really wasn't any help and replaced my stability shoes with another pair of stability.  (both pairs were Saucony's).  

There aren't any other running stores in the area besides chain stores.

Last year I bought a pair of Reebok Zig Nanos.  I have really liked then and seem to have no ill effects from them.  I think they are neutral.  They are worn out and I need a new pair.


If you arent having any over training issues or running related injuries in the shoes, thats a pretty big indicator that theyre fine for your running style.  If you just want more insight, I'll do my best to answer your questions; if I cant, if youre ever in OR I can run you through a gait analysis and let you know what I find.
3/27/2012 3:12:39 PM EDT
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I live in the greater Cleveland area.
 
3/27/2012 3:13:20 PM EDT
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About 2 years ago I went to a local running shop called Second Sole expecting some real insight on my gate, shoe etc and to know exactly what I needed.  (I was running a lot more then).  The guy really wasn't any help and replaced my stability shoes with another pair of stability.  (both pairs were Saucony's).  



There aren't any other running stores in the area besides chain stores.



Last year I bought a pair of Reebok Zig Nanos.  I have really liked then and seem to have no ill effects from them.  I think they are neutral.  They are worn out and I need a new pair.




If you arent having any over training issues or running related injuries in the shoes, thats a pretty big indicator that theyre fine for your running style.  If you just want more insight, I'll do my best to answer your questions; if I cant, if youre ever in OR I can run you through a gait analysis and let you know what I find.


That is refreshing.  I think I'll not worry about it and buy shoes that are comfortable and look good.  



 
3/27/2012 3:30:51 PM EDT
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you could also take a picture of the bottom of your worn running shoe and post - that might help SC6 recommend something to you
3/27/2012 3:31:55 PM EDT
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you could also take a picture of the bottom of your worn running shoe and post - that might help SC6 recommend something to you


While youre at it video tape yourself running on a treadmill from foot level with slow motion capture...
3/27/2012 5:49:12 PM EDT
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About 2 years ago I went to a local running shop called Second Sole expecting some real insight on my gate, shoe etc and to know exactly what I needed.  (I was running a lot more then).  The guy really wasn't any help and replaced my stability shoes with another pair of stability.  (both pairs were Saucony's).  

There aren't any other running stores in the area besides chain stores.

Last year I bought a pair of Reebok Zig Nanos.  I have really liked then and seem to have no ill effects from them.  I think they are neutral.  They are worn out and I need a new pair.


If you arent having any over training issues or running related injuries in the shoes, thats a pretty big indicator that theyre fine for your running style.  If you just want more insight, I'll do my best to answer your questions; if I cant, if youre ever in OR I can run you through a gait analysis and let you know what I find.

That is refreshing.  I think I'll not worry about it and buy shoes that are comfortable and look good.  
 



at 6 miles a week you have nothing to worry about anyway.
3/27/2012 11:47:46 PM EDT
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go barefoot or use minimal running shoes... sounds crazy but it's not...  more natural, start slow to get used to it...
3/28/2012 1:06:45 AM EDT
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go barefoot or use minimal running shoes... sounds crazy but it's not...  more natural, start slow to get used to it...




Based on your responses in the "belt" discussion, I'm sure that you have volumes of studies backing up this recommendation
3/28/2012 6:42:37 AM EDT
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go barefoot or use minimal running shoes... sounds crazy but it's not...  more natural, start slow to get used to it...




Based on your responses in the "belt" discussion, I'm sure that you have volumes of studies backing up this recommendation


Seriously,

Whats it gonna take for idiots like this stop spouting off this bs?  How many studies need to come out that prove its not better, more efficient, injury free, etc..?  Oh wait, I forgot the only thing you guys read is runners world and born to run...
3/28/2012 6:48:45 AM EDT
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go barefoot or use minimal running shoes... sounds crazy but it's not...  more natural, start slow to get used to it...




Based on your responses in the "belt" discussion, I'm sure that you have volumes of studies backing up this recommendation


Seriously,

Whats it gonna take for idiots like this stop spouting off this bs?  How many studies need to come out that prove its not better, more efficient, injury free, etc..?  Oh wait, I forgot the only thing you guys read is runners world and born to run...


You might want to listen to him...he is "certified"
3/28/2012 7:19:19 AM EDT
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go barefoot or use minimal running shoes... sounds crazy but it's not...  more natural, start slow to get used to it...




Based on your responses in the "belt" discussion, I'm sure that you have volumes of studies backing up this recommendation


Seriously,

Whats it gonna take for idiots like this stop spouting off this bs?  How many studies need to come out that prove its not better, more efficient, injury free, etc..?  Oh wait, I forgot the only thing you guys read is runners world and born to run...


You might want to listen to him...he is "certified"


In what?
3/28/2012 7:23:08 AM EDT
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go barefoot or use minimal running shoes... sounds crazy but it's not... more natural, start slow to get used to it...








Based on your responses in the "belt" discussion, I'm sure that you have volumes of studies backing up this recommendation




Seriously,



Whats it gonna take for idiots like this stop spouting off this bs? How many studies need to come out that prove its not better, more efficient, injury free, etc..? Oh wait, I forgot the only thing you guys read is runners world and born to run...




My boss is in his late 50's and is a big time marathon runner.  He runs a race almost every weekend.  He swears by the Vibram 5 Fingers.  He has 12 pairs.  One race was a trail terrain and he had to go buy another type of shoes because the Vibrams were all he had.



I'm not sold on them.  I have been impressed with the ZigNanos I have had for the last year.
3/28/2012 8:51:35 AM EDT
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My boss is in his late 50's and is a big time marathon runner.  He runs a race almost every weekend.  He swears by the Vibram 5 Fingers.  He has 12 pairs.


Data is not the plural of anecdote.
3/28/2012 8:55:33 AM EDT
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I live in the greater Cleveland area.  


Haven't had a chance to ask yet, but here is a list of Ohio run shops.  Not sure how close they might be to you

http://www.slowtwitch.com/runshops/statelist.php?state=ohio
3/28/2012 9:40:34 AM EDT
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go barefoot or use minimal running shoes... sounds crazy but it's not...  more natural, start slow to get used to it...




Based on your responses in the "belt" discussion, I'm sure that you have volumes of studies backing up this recommendation


Seriously,

Whats it gonna take for idiots like this stop spouting off this bs?  How many studies need to come out that prove its not better, more efficient, injury free, etc..?  Oh wait, I forgot the only thing you guys read is runners world and born to run...


You might want to listen to him...he is "certified"


In what?


clinical exercise physiologist certified NSCA Strength and Conditioning specialist....and making a great name for himself down here
3/28/2012 9:49:36 AM EDT
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go barefoot or use minimal running shoes... sounds crazy but it's not...  more natural, start slow to get used to it...




Based on your responses in the "belt" discussion, I'm sure that you have volumes of studies backing up this recommendation


Seriously,

Whats it gonna take for idiots like this stop spouting off this bs?  How many studies need to come out that prove its not better, more efficient, injury free, etc..?  Oh wait, I forgot the only thing you guys read is runners world and born to run...


You might want to listen to him...he is "certified"


In what?


clinical exercise physiologist certified NSCA Strength and Conditioning specialist....and making a great name for himself down here


Wheres here?  Are you talking about imah8r?  Im "certified" too and I completely disagree with him...
3/28/2012 10:04:12 AM EDT
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go barefoot or use minimal running shoes... sounds crazy but it's not...  more natural, start slow to get used to it...




Based on your responses in the "belt" discussion, I'm sure that you have volumes of studies backing up this recommendation


Seriously,

Whats it gonna take for idiots like this stop spouting off this bs?  How many studies need to come out that prove its not better, more efficient, injury free, etc..?  Oh wait, I forgot the only thing you guys read is runners world and born to run...


You might want to listen to him...he is "certified"


In what?


clinical exercise physiologist certified NSCA Strength and Conditioning specialist....and making a great name for himself down here


Wheres here?  Are you talking about imah8r?  Im "certified" too and I completely disagree with him...


Yeah I'm poking fun at the hater not you...sorry for the confusion.  

3/28/2012 10:19:11 AM EDT
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go barefoot or use minimal running shoes... sounds crazy but it's not...  more natural, start slow to get used to it...




Based on your responses in the "belt" discussion, I'm sure that you have volumes of studies backing up this recommendation


Seriously,

Whats it gonna take for idiots like this stop spouting off this bs?  How many studies need to come out that prove its not better, more efficient, injury free, etc..?  Oh wait, I forgot the only thing you guys read is runners world and born to run...


You might want to listen to him...he is "certified"


In what?


clinical exercise physiologist certified NSCA Strength and Conditioning specialist....and making a great name for himself down here


Wheres here?  Are you talking about imah8r?  Im "certified" too and I completely disagree with him...


Yeah I'm poking fun at the hater not you...sorry for the confusion.  



Oh I knew you werent talking about me, I was just wondering if you knew him personally...
3/28/2012 10:21:42 AM EDT
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go barefoot or use minimal running shoes... sounds crazy but it's not...  more natural, start slow to get used to it...

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Based on your responses in the "belt" discussion, I'm sure that you have volumes of studies backing up this recommendation


Seriously,

Whats it gonna take for idiots like this stop spouting off this bs?  How many studies need to come out that prove its not better, more efficient, injury free, etc..?  Oh wait, I forgot the only thing you guys read is runners world and born to run...


You might want to listen to him...he is "certified"


In what?


clinical exercise physiologist certified NSCA Strength and Conditioning specialist....and making a great name for himself down here


Wheres here?  Are you talking about imah8r?  Im "certified" too and I completely disagree with him...


Yeah I'm poking fun at the hater not you...sorry for the confusion.  



Oh I knew you werent talking about me, I was just wondering if you knew him personally...


Not personally but in the 5 or so post he has made I'm glad of it
3/28/2012 11:49:15 AM EDT
[#26]
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About 2 years ago I went to a local running shop called Second Sole expecting some real insight on my gate, shoe etc and to know exactly what I needed.  (I was running a lot more then).  The guy really wasn't any help and replaced my stability shoes with another pair of stability.  (both pairs were Saucony's).  

There aren't any other running stores in the area besides chain stores.

Last year I bought a pair of Reebok Zig Nanos.  I have really liked then and seem to have no ill effects from them.  I think they are neutral.  They are worn out and I need a new pair.


Problem solved.

3/29/2012 2:25:13 PM EDT
[#27]
Running Richies in Tallamadge or Vertical Runner in Hudson are two off the top of my head.  No idea if either will analyze your gait.

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4/6/2012 10:44:00 AM EDT
[#28]
I bought a pair of Sketchers Go Run...http://www.skechers.com/info/go-run