[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Fatties - mentality question (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 9/22/2011 12:06:09 PM EDT
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How in the world did you get above 260? I don't wanna hear about that "frame size" bullshit either, fat is fat and unless you're 8 foot tall there is no reason to be above that. (Not hating at all, it is your choice and sure you can have a bit of muscle behind that but obese is still obese.)
I just want to know did you ever look at yourself in the mirror and say "damn I'm fat"? Did you keep stuffing your face or say to yourself "what am I going to do about it?" What will it take to get through to you, Precious? This isn't mean spirited at all, mental health is just as important and they go hand in hand. Being fit makes you happier and being happier helps you stay fit. I'm just curious, tearing someone down doesn't always work. Yup, you should beat yourself but there's taking it too far and doing more damage mentally. I have been stuffing my face (while working out) thinking I've surely gained a bunch of weight... and I think I gained 2 pounds when measuring today. So I just cannot fathom being that big... how do you eat that much to maintain that weight??? If you put that much work into gaining it why not do the same to lose it? I know no two people are alike but it just makes me doubletake reading stories of people hitting 400 pounds and I think "wow they probably haven't seen their dick in YEARS and surely haven't been laid by some fine ass... ever." Or I think "I bet that person has NEVER run over 100 yards let alone a mile." That alone should motivate someone to get off their ass and more importantly stop stuffing their face. Discuss, bash me, make fun of fatties or skinnies... we're all in this together. 
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How in the world did you get above 260? I think "I bet that person has NEVER run over 100 yards let alone a mile." I ran a sub-30 5k when I weighed about 270. Yup, I've seen those posts as well but outliers are just that. On that note: at what toll to your joints? How many times can you do it? |
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Because I realized I was a pathetic, excuse making, fat, fucking douche bag. When my wife married me I was hot. 24 years old I had an 8 pack. I was about 200 lbs and less than 10% body fat. I was a Greek god. I remember going to a party with my wife when I was younger. Another woman said to her, "Your boyfriend is what "David" should've been sculpted to look like." I stayed in school and got a Masters degree. I took a job consulting. That meant lots of time on the road and lots of meetings. I know that hard work will pay off so I spent my time going to meetings, working long hours and generally trying to make a better life for my family. I was the second youngest executive in the company. It all came with a cost. I half-assed my workouts. If I got to the gym once a week I called it a success, after all I was trying to get my "work" done. I watched myself balloon from a good 200 to topping the scale at 230 and not a healthy 230, but a fat 230. I lied to myself every morning like Homer Simpson. "Yeah, I'm fat, but there's still muscle under there. Muscle weighs more than fat." 20 months ago my wife called me while I was on the road. She said "I took a pregnancy test and I'm pregnant." I remember clearly looking in the mirror and thinking you're a fat fuck and your son or daughter is going to be embarrassed by you. That was 20 months ago, I still have a a long way to go, but I'm stronger and bigger than every dad at the pool. I'll continue to get stronger. I want to be my wife's eye candy, I want my daughter to be proud of her dad for being a success in both business and with his health. I want to see my grand-daughters get married. That's why I don't miss workouts. YMMV From the motivation thread. I think many fatties are like this. They try to justify it or use bad comparisons (at least I'm not AS far as my neighbor or I USED to be muscle in high school... 20 years ago) Well, obese is obese in the NOW. I definitely have my days where I say "not today." Then I have to kick my ass because tomorrow never comes. |
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Why do you care? Did some fatty steal your girlfriend or something? You mention several times that you are not trying to be mean or bash, but most of your post wreaks of a skinny punk who does not realize the guy who weighs 270 could toss him across the street or take the hot chick home that you spent all Saturday night rubbing up against at the bar.
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I don't want to insult our heavier members here in SD&F but here are my thoughts... For one, it has become more acceptable to be fat these days. You see it everywhere- women "celebrating" fatness, women claiming that Marilyn Monroe was a size 12...which is equivilent to a size 2-4 by today's standards. Men do the same of course, just in different ways. Two- staying fit is hard work. In today's society many people expect a quick return on everything and are not willing to put themselves in physical discomfort either by working out hard (hint- 30 min on the elliptical probably isn't going to get you where you want to be) or by skipping a meal. Forget about cooking healthy stuff for yourself too. Of course as we all move to more indoor desk based jobs it just gets worse and worse. my 2 cents... |
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Quoted: Why do you care? Did some fatty steal your girlfriend or something? You mention several times that you are not trying to be mean or bash, but most of your post wreaks of a skinny punk who does not realize the guy who weighs 270 could toss him across the street or take the hot chick home that you spent all Saturday night rubbing up against at the bar. Because it's an interesting topic to discuss in the FITNESS forum. A guy who weighs 270 isn't going to toss me anywhere, as he'd have to catch me first 
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Rationalization?
Like for me when my drinking became an issue, I easily dialed it down. Now only 2-3 a week. Smoking? Was at a pack a day and just decided I hated being an addict. Now down to a couple cigars a month. Caffeine? Was able to cut it down to 1 or 2 drinks a day. Drugs? Still really miss those, but quitting cold turkey was the smart thing to do. Food? Hard to go cold turkey on that and have trouble eating the right food and smaller portions. And hate most exercise except for walking and hiking. People seem to have different willpower issues. I know some people that have pretty tight bodies even though they are drinking themselves to passing out stage or smoking like a chimney. |
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How in the world did you get above 260? I think "I bet that person has NEVER run over 100 yards let alone a mile." I ran a sub-30 5k when I weighed about 270. Yup, I've seen those posts as well but outliers are just that. On that note: at what toll to your joints? How many times can you do it? Because of the 5ks and other stuff, I didn't stay at 270. My knees are a little messed up from playing basketball for years. Running actually helps them. |
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Razoreye, how much and what have you been stuffing your face with to be gaining 2 lbs? What are you weighing now, and what body type are you mesomorphic, endomorphic or what?
ETA: Not to change the thread topic mind you. I agree, fat has been seeping into mainstream far too long. But I think a lot of it starts with childhood. Parents don't take the time to learn nutrition, and then the puffy shitball rolls downhill. |
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I don't want to insult our heavier members here in SD&F but here are my thoughts... For one, it has become more acceptable to be fat these days. You see it everywhere- women "celebrating" fatness, women claiming that Marilyn Monroe was a size 12...which is equivilent to a size 2-4 by today's standards. Men do the same of course, just in different ways. Two- staying fit is hard work. In today's society many people expect a quick return on everything and are not willing to put themselves in physical discomfort either by working out hard (hint- 30 min on the elliptical probably isn't going to get you where you want to be) or by skipping a meal. Forget about cooking healthy stuff for yourself too. Of course as we all move to more indoor desk based jobs it just gets worse and worse. my 2 cents... This Everything is about PC this PC that and convenience, convenience, convenience... People are lazy and if there is no reason for them to change they wont. Death rates are increasing at lower ages because of heart disease and it still doesnt change people. If its not in pill form, most dont have the intestinal fortitude to stick it out. |
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Because I realized I was a pathetic, excuse making, fat, fucking douche bag. When my wife married me I was hot. 24 years old I had an 8 pack. I was about 200 lbs and less than 10% body fat. I was a Greek god. I remember going to a party with my wife when I was younger. Another woman said to her, "Your boyfriend is what "David" should've been sculpted to look like." I stayed in school and got a Masters degree. I took a job consulting. That meant lots of time on the road and lots of meetings. I know that hard work will pay off so I spent my time going to meetings, working long hours and generally trying to make a better life for my family. I was the second youngest executive in the company. It all came with a cost. I half-assed my workouts. If I got to the gym once a week I called it a success, after all I was trying to get my "work" done. I watched myself balloon from a good 200 to topping the scale at 230 and not a healthy 230, but a fat 230. I lied to myself every morning like Homer Simpson. "Yeah, I'm fat, but there's still muscle under there. Muscle weighs more than fat." 20 months ago my wife called me while I was on the road. She said "I took a pregnancy test and I'm pregnant." I remember clearly looking in the mirror and thinking you're a fat fuck and your son or daughter is going to be embarrassed by you. That was 20 months ago, I still have a a long way to go, but I'm stronger and bigger than every dad at the pool. I'll continue to get stronger. I want to be my wife's eye candy, I want my daughter to be proud of her dad for being a success in both business and with his health. I want to see my grand-daughters get married. That's why I don't miss workouts. YMMV From the motivation thread. I think many fatties are like this. They try to justify it or use bad comparisons (at least I'm not AS far as my neighbor or I USED to be muscle in high school... 20 years ago) Well, obese is obese in the NOW. I definitely have my days where I say "not today." Then I have to kick my ass because tomorrow never comes. That is exactly the point of the post. Everyone knows they are rationalizing their bad behavior...everyone. ETA: Rationalization may not be the best word, but it's definitely a priority issue. Someone else may not have the same priorities that I do, but living a long time and looking good doing it are two of my biggest now. |
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I don't want to insult our heavier members here in SD&F but here are my thoughts... For one, it has become more acceptable to be fat these days. You see it everywhere- women "celebrating" fatness, women claiming that Marilyn Monroe was a size 12...which is equivilent to a size 2-4 by today's standards. Men do the same of course, just in different ways. Two- staying fit is hard work. In today's society many people expect a quick return on everything and are not willing to put themselves in physical discomfort either by working out hard (hint- 30 min on the elliptical probably isn't going to get you where you want to be) or by skipping a meal. Forget about cooking healthy stuff for yourself too. Of course as we all move to more indoor desk based jobs it just gets worse and worse. my 2 cents... This Everything is about PC this PC that and convenience, convenience, convenience... People are lazy and if there is no reason for them to change they wont. Death rates are increasing at lower ages because of heart disease and it still doesnt change people. If its not in pill form, most dont have the intestinal fortitude to stick it out. Calories have never been cheaper or more accessible 24/7 |
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I'm 270. I am on a diet and exercise program.
I didn't start loosing weigh until my attitude changed. I would, everyday look in the mirror, and say I hate that I'm fat, get depressed, making comments like "Jesus I'm getting big, and "I need to lose weight" etc. It wasn't until I looked I to the mirror, and state with a passion, "today I will lose weight". Not to sound corny or anything. I gained a bunch when my wife got pregnant, not to make excuses. 6 years ago, I was a brick shit house, on the football team and lifting weights everyday for 5 years. Then I got a desk job. Wife got pregnant, and all of a sudden there was nothing but the most unhealthy foods around to eat. And after 5 years of working out, I wanted to take a break for a few months... That turned into a year, that turned into 5. It sucks. On top of all that, I've developed a smoking habit, I have no lung endurance when running, and since the last time I ran to get in shape, it would be like strapping a 50 lb bag of rocks on my back, with a lot less muscle. Being overweight sucks, but the pounds are slowly coming off. |
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Most of them dont care that they are fat, try to justify it, and they think they have a slow metabolism. I hear them say all the time that " I wish I was like so and so that can eat whatever they want and not gain weight." I hear that a lot said towards me. I work out 6 times a week, take lots of supplements, make 2 of my 3 "big" meals, don't drink soda excessively, etc. So when I hear that shit, it drives me up the wall. My SINGLE beer or cheeseburger is literally my treat to myself. Any other day I'd be eating lean beef, pork or fish with a salad and extra tomatoes. |
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At 18 I bounced around naturally from 195 to 225. After moving from a pretty active job to a desk job and picking up even worse diet habits than I already had I knew I put on some weight I just didn't know how much. I figured I weighed maybe 250-260 but I didn't own a scale so I never checked. One day I stepped on a scale at a friends house and saw 295. I was always a bit fat so looking in the mirror and thinking "Damn I am fat" wasn't something new for me. Gradual change is hard to spot.
If you are looking for a psychological trigger it was complacency for me. It was only when that complacency turned to disgust that I finally did something about it. After a year and a half I am down to 175 and in the best shape of my adult life. I still have some work to do though. |
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Most of them dont care that they are fat, try to justify it, and they think they have a slow metabolism. I hear them say all the time that " I wish I was like so and so that can eat whatever they want and not gain weight." Being overweight, I can't imagine anyone not caring what they look like. I'm big, and I hate it. I'm embarrassed. |
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Most of them dont care that they are fat, try to justify it, and they think they have a slow metabolism. I hear them say all the time that " I wish I was like so and so that can eat whatever they want and not gain weight." I hear that a lot said towards me. I work out 6 times a day, take lots of supplements, make 2 of my 3 "big" meals, don't drink soda excessively, etc. So when I hear that shit, it drives me up the wall. My SINGLE beer or cheeseburger is literally my treat to myself. Any other day I'd be eating lean beef, pork or fish with a salad and extra tomatoes. My wife and I hear that all the time- my wife moreso since she's had 4 kids. "Oh you're so lucky" and I say "she isn't lucky, she works damn hard to look as good as she does"...
A female friend of ours was starting some workout program and I asked her what her goals were. She said "well, I want to look like your wife"...I said "well, maybe you should do what she does then" and I laid it all out for her. That was too much work though, and I think she's doing curls on a machine somewhere... On that topic, one thing I really notice is that people hope to gain something by osmosis, by simply going to the gym. You get out what you put in; I work out 60-75min a day every morning at 7 AM before work, and I work out HARD. My cousin and I (he's my workout buddy) have a phrase we use when talking about how hard we're going to push ourselves at the gym––"I ain't plannin' on going home." (Stems from "go big or go home"). Funny how the mushy guys who are not breaking a sweat or grunting or using good form are the exact same squishy guys 3 months later, with no visible improvement. Women have a VERY hard time with this, even more so than men, in my opinion. They tend to eat more as a "treat" after a workout, even if it was a particularly lack-luster workout. Quoted:
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Most of them dont care that they are fat, try to justify it, and they think they have a slow metabolism. I hear them say all the time that " I wish I was like so and so that can eat whatever they want and not gain weight." Being overweight, I can't imagine anyone not caring what they look like. I'm big, and I hate it. I'm embarrassed. Honestly, I respect the big people at gyms more than the gym rats (assuming they're actually pushing and working hard) like myself and my cousin. It takes a lot more for somebody who's uncomfortable with the way they look or feel to get up and go to a place that's entirely dominated by people who are there 5-6 times a week. Keep at it dude. |
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Most of them dont care that they are fat, try to justify it, and they think they have a slow metabolism. I hear them say all the time that " I wish I was like so and so that can eat whatever they want and not gain weight." I hear that a lot said towards me. I work out 6 times a day, take lots of supplements, make 2 of my 3 "big" meals, don't drink soda excessively, etc. So when I hear that shit, it drives me up the wall. My SINGLE beer or cheeseburger is literally my treat to myself. Any other day I'd be eating lean beef, pork or fish with a salad and extra tomatoes. My wife and I hear that all the time- my wife moreso since she's had 4 kids. "Oh you're so lucky" and I say "she isn't lucky, she works damn hard to look as good as she does"...
A female friend of ours was starting some workout program and I asked her what her goals were. She said "well, I want to look like your wife"...I said "well, maybe you should do what she does then" and I laid it all out for her. That was too much work though, and I think she's doing curls on a machine somewhere... "oh thats to much work, I wont/dont need to do that much..." 
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Most of them dont care that they are fat, try to justify it, and they think they have a slow metabolism. I hear them say all the time that " I wish I was like so and so that can eat whatever they want and not gain weight." I hear that a lot said towards me. I work out 6 times a day, take lots of supplements, make 2 of my 3 "big" meals, don't drink soda excessively, etc. So when I hear that shit, it drives me up the wall. My SINGLE beer or cheeseburger is literally my treat to myself. Any other day I'd be eating lean beef, pork or fish with a salad and extra tomatoes.
And I thought I was over the top for hitting the gym twice a day a few days a week... 
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Most of them dont care that they are fat, try to justify it, and they think they have a slow metabolism. I hear them say all the time that " I wish I was like so and so that can eat whatever they want and not gain weight." I hear that a lot said towards me. I work out 6 times a day, take lots of supplements, make 2 of my 3 "big" meals, don't drink soda excessively, etc. So when I hear that shit, it drives me up the wall. My SINGLE beer or cheeseburger is literally my treat to myself. Any other day I'd be eating lean beef, pork or fish with a salad and extra tomatoes.
And I thought I was over the top for hitting the gym twice a day a few days a week... Whoops. I meant week.
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Most of them dont care that they are fat, try to justify it, and they think they have a slow metabolism. I hear them say all the time that " I wish I was like so and so that can eat whatever they want and not gain weight." I hear that a lot said towards me. I work out 6 times a day, take lots of supplements, make 2 of my 3 "big" meals, don't drink soda excessively, etc. So when I hear that shit, it drives me up the wall. My SINGLE beer or cheeseburger is literally my treat to myself. Any other day I'd be eating lean beef, pork or fish with a salad and extra tomatoes.
And I thought I was over the top for hitting the gym twice a day a few days a week... Whoops. I meant week. Yeah I figured. Just thought it was funny. 
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I don't want to insult our heavier members here in SD&F but here are my thoughts... For one, it has become more acceptable to be fat these days. You see it everywhere- women "celebrating" fatness, women claiming that Marilyn Monroe was a size 12...which is equivilent to a size 2-4 by today's standards. Men do the same of course, just in different ways. Two- staying fit is hard work. In today's society many people expect a quick return on everything and are not willing to put themselves in physical discomfort either by working out hard (hint- 30 min on the elliptical probably isn't going to get you where you want to be) or by skipping a meal. Forget about cooking healthy stuff for yourself too. Of course as we all move to more indoor desk based jobs it just gets worse and worse. my 2 cents... I'd say that opinion is worth a heck of a lot more than 2 cents. (Yoda voice) Sense you have made, yes.(Yoda voice) |
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How in the world did you get above 260? I don't wanna hear about that "frame size" bullshit either, fat is fat and unless you're 8 foot tall there is no reason to be above that. (Not hating at all, it is your choice and sure you can have a bit of muscle behind that but obese is still obese.) I just want to know did you ever look at yourself in the mirror and say "damn I'm fat"? Did you keep stuffing your face or say to yourself "what am I going to do about it?" What will it take to get through to you, Precious? This isn't mean spirited at all, mental health is just as important and they go hand in hand. Being fit makes you happier and being happier helps you stay fit. I'm just curious, tearing someone down doesn't always work. Yup, you should beat yourself but there's taking it too far and doing more damage mentally. I have been stuffing my face (while working out) thinking I've surely gained a bunch of weight... and I think I gained 2 pounds when measuring today. So I just cannot fathom being that big... how do you eat that much to maintain that weight??? If you put that much work into gaining it why not do the same to lose it? I know no two people are alike but it just makes me doubletake reading stories of people hitting 400 pounds and I think "wow they probably haven't seen their dick in YEARS and surely haven't been laid by some fine ass... ever." Or I think "I bet that person has NEVER run over 100 yards let alone a mile." That alone should motivate someone to get off their ass and more importantly stop stuffing their face. Discuss, bash me, make fun of fatties or skinnies... we're all in this together. I'm not here to defend being fat and lazy, but from your post you seem to lack the understanding that obesity and fitness have repeatedly been shown to have significant linkages to metabolic rate and heredity (genetics)... not just one's activity level. Sure, exercise and sensible caloric intake are the cornerstones of maintaining fitness, but the assumption the all fat people are chronic over-eaters and/or lazy isn't accurate. To your example, if 10 randomly selected people maintained your same routine of "stuffing my face while working out," eating the exact same meals and doing the same exercise routine for an extended period, you would likely end up with a wide range of weight loss and gain across the group at the conclusion. Many scientific studies have shown this through the use of animal models. |
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How in the world did you get above 260? I don't wanna hear about that "frame size" bullshit either, fat is fat and unless you're 8 foot tall there is no reason to be above that. (Not hating at all, it is your choice and sure you can have a bit of muscle behind that but obese is still obese.) I just want to know did you ever look at yourself in the mirror and say "damn I'm fat"? Did you keep stuffing your face or say to yourself "what am I going to do about it?" What will it take to get through to you, Precious? This isn't mean spirited at all, mental health is just as important and they go hand in hand. Being fit makes you happier and being happier helps you stay fit. I'm just curious, tearing someone down doesn't always work. Yup, you should beat yourself but there's taking it too far and doing more damage mentally. I have been stuffing my face (while working out) thinking I've surely gained a bunch of weight... and I think I gained 2 pounds when measuring today. So I just cannot fathom being that big... how do you eat that much to maintain that weight??? If you put that much work into gaining it why not do the same to lose it? I know no two people are alike but it just makes me doubletake reading stories of people hitting 400 pounds and I think "wow they probably haven't seen their dick in YEARS and surely haven't been laid by some fine ass... ever." Or I think "I bet that person has NEVER run over 100 yards let alone a mile." That alone should motivate someone to get off their ass and more importantly stop stuffing their face. Discuss, bash me, make fun of fatties or skinnies... we're all in this together. I'm not here to defend being fat and lazy, but from your post you seem to lack the understanding that obesity and fitness have repeatedly been shown to have significant linkages to metabolic rate and heredity (genetics)... not just one's activity level. Sure, exercise and sensible caloric intake are the cornerstones of maintaining fitness, but the assumption the all fat people are chronic over-eaters and/or lazy isn't accurate. To your example, if 10 randomly selected people maintained your same routine of "stuffing my face while working out," eating the exact same meals and doing the same exercise routine for an extended period, you would likely end up with a wide range of weight loss and gain across the group at the conclusion. Many scientific studies have shown this through the use of animal models. Id be interested in reading some of those studies. I do believe there to be a variance in BMR and genetics, but Id like to know how much of a difference if any it has to do with what people are blaming obesity on. |
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Quoted: Quoted: How in the world did you get above 260? I don't wanna hear about that "frame size" bullshit either, fat is fat and unless you're 8 foot tall there is no reason to be above that. (Not hating at all, it is your choice and sure you can have a bit of muscle behind that but obese is still obese.) I just want to know did you ever look at yourself in the mirror and say "damn I'm fat"? Did you keep stuffing your face or say to yourself "what am I going to do about it?" What will it take to get through to you, Precious? This isn't mean spirited at all, mental health is just as important and they go hand in hand. Being fit makes you happier and being happier helps you stay fit. I'm just curious, tearing someone down doesn't always work. Yup, you should beat yourself but there's taking it too far and doing more damage mentally. I have been stuffing my face (while working out) thinking I've surely gained a bunch of weight... and I think I gained 2 pounds when measuring today. So I just cannot fathom being that big... how do you eat that much to maintain that weight??? If you put that much work into gaining it why not do the same to lose it? I know no two people are alike but it just makes me doubletake reading stories of people hitting 400 pounds and I think "wow they probably haven't seen their dick in YEARS and surely haven't been laid by some fine ass... ever." Or I think "I bet that person has NEVER run over 100 yards let alone a mile." That alone should motivate someone to get off their ass and more importantly stop stuffing their face. Discuss, bash me, make fun of fatties or skinnies... we're all in this together. I'm not here to defend being fat and lazy, but from your post you seem to lack the understanding that obesity and fitness have repeatedly been shown to have significant linkages to metabolic rate and heredity (genetics)... not just one's activity level. Sure, exercise and sensible caloric intake are the cornerstones of maintaining fitness, but the assumption the all fat people are chronic over-eaters and/or lazy isn't accurate. To your example, if 10 randomly selected people maintained your same routine of "stuffing my face while working out," eating the exact same meals and doing the same exercise routine for an extended period, you would likely end up with a wide range of weight loss and gain across the group at the conclusion. Many scientific studies have shown this through the use of animal models. While there are people this applies to, the VAST majority of fat people are fat because of the choices they make regarding diet and exercise. |
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The whole just because you're big you can't be an athlete thing kinda pisses me off. I ran a 4.92 40 on a laser at 295 lbs. I benched 525, squatted 620, and clean and jerked 425. You can weight 300 lbs and be a great athlete. I know, I made all american.Twice. I didn't get fat until I had to study and didn't actually have time to work out anymore. I knew I was getting fat, but graduating from school was more important. Since graduating in may I've lost 20 lbs and I'm still losing. To get off my soapbox and answer your question, I was always big and that transitioned to fat when I dropped my activity level from working out 6hrs a day in the weightroom and playing college football, and went to studying 12 hrs a day with the "brain food" (carbs) diet.
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The whole just because you're big you can't be an athlete thing kinda pisses me off. I ran a 4.92 40 on a laser at 295 lbs. I benched 525, squatted 620, and clean and jerked 425. You can weight 300 lbs and be a great athlete. I know, I made all american.Twice. I didn't get fat until I had to study and didn't actually have time to work out anymore. I knew I was getting fat, but graduating from school was more important. Since graduating in may I've lost 20 lbs and I'm still losing. To get off my soapbox and answer your question, I was always big and that transitioned to fat when I dropped my activity level from working out 6hrs a day in the weightroom and playing college football, and went to studying 12 hrs a day with the "brain food" (carbs) diet. the pudding We cant see it without a login. |
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Quoted: The whole just because you're big you can't be an athlete thing kinda pisses me off. I ran a 4.92 40 on a laser at 295 lbs. I benched 525, squatted 620, and clean and jerked 425. You can weight 300 lbs and be a great athlete. I know, I made all american.Twice. I didn't get fat until I had to study and didn't actually have time to work out anymore. I knew I was getting fat, but graduating from school was more important. Since graduating in may I've lost 20 lbs and I'm still losing. To get off my soapbox and answer your question, I was always big and that transitioned to fat when I dropped my activity level from working out 6hrs a day in the weightroom and playing college football, and went to studying 12 hrs a day with the "brain food" (carbs) diet. the pudding I don't think anyone is really saying that you can't be big and be an athlete- it may have come off that way (I know I made a remark about 270 not being able to catch me) but we're talking about fat people, not big strong dudes. |
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Probably the same reasons as you and only gaining 2 pounds despite an effort to gain more.
Over/under estimating how much you eat. Choosing what they want now over what they want most. Not maintaining dedication. Not willing to push outside their comfort level. I've been on both sides of it. Three years I started pursuing powerlifting. My first bodyweight bench was more to due with weight loss than strength gain. I actually hit just under 160 at 5'9" then realized I was being unrealistic. I started eating everything I could and no shit gained 30 pounds in a month. I didn't look fat, but that was more a result of starting from such a scrawny position than any massive muscle gain. After 190 my weight gain slowed and my eating increased. I ate based on caloric density rather than taste. I actually quite enjoy a good salad with just a spray of lemon juice as a dressing I would pass that up for something with a lot more calories, like 3 or 4 doughnuts. At about 210 months and months later I started to be noticably fat. I didn't care though, my numbers were going up and my motivation had nothing to due with appearencee. Sure I was fat, but I was fat with thick forearms. This force feeding took me up to 235 in December of 2010 and I squatted 465 with just a belt officially. Far from impressive, but it was the result of a lot of hard work. Laura Phelps (yes, a chick) squatted something like 700 equipped at the same meet I did 465. Thats what I like about meets, they keep me humble. But anyways, at this point I started to not like what I saw in the mirror. I am in college in the exercise science field and liked the fact that Im way the hell bigger than most anyone else and actually look like I lift weights despite the fact that everyone has some sort of interest in exercise. But my belly was hanging over my belt by now and I simply desided I would rather be happy with how I looked than pushing up PR weights. Unfortunately I went through a bunch of other issues and lost a lot of passion for training. I lost a significant amount of weight considering I really wasn't even trying but a lot of it was muscle. I am firmly back on the wagon now and slowly and steadily dropping weight and the poundages on the bar are going slowly but steadily up. I lost an easy 2 inches off my belly and my squat nosed dived as a result, taking a way bigger hit than my bench or deadlift. The two easiest ways to get strong are to get fat and take drugs, I’m a living testament to one of those methods. I’m doing a meet this December, a year after my biggest bodyweight and total and it will be the first meet ever in the 198 weight class. I know already I won’t PR in the squat, but a bench and deadlift PR are very possible. This game has always been about 5 more pounds on the bar for me, never about lifting x times my bodyweight so the fact that I’m not currently stronger than I have ever been before is always in the back of my mind trying to sabotage my goal to drop more fat. So that’s my story. Its not an excuse its just is what it is. |
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How in the world did you get above 260? I don't wanna hear about that "frame size" bullshit either, fat is fat and unless you're 8 foot tall there is no reason to be above that. (Not hating at all, it is your choice and sure you can have a bit of muscle behind that but obese is still obese.) I just want to know did you ever look at yourself in the mirror and say "damn I'm fat"? Did you keep stuffing your face or say to yourself "what am I going to do about it?" What will it take to get through to you, Precious? This isn't mean spirited at all, mental health is just as important and they go hand in hand. Being fit makes you happier and being happier helps you stay fit. I'm just curious, tearing someone down doesn't always work. Yup, you should beat yourself but there's taking it too far and doing more damage mentally. I have been stuffing my face (while working out) thinking I've surely gained a bunch of weight... and I think I gained 2 pounds when measuring today. So I just cannot fathom being that big... how do you eat that much to maintain that weight??? If you put that much work into gaining it why not do the same to lose it? I know no two people are alike but it just makes me doubletake reading stories of people hitting 400 pounds and I think "wow they probably haven't seen their dick in YEARS and surely haven't been laid by some fine ass... ever." Or I think "I bet that person has NEVER run over 100 yards let alone a mile." That alone should motivate someone to get off their ass and more importantly stop stuffing their face. Discuss, bash me, make fun of fatties or skinnies... we're all in this together. I'm not here to defend being fat and lazy, but from your post you seem to lack the understanding that obesity and fitness have repeatedly been shown to have significant linkages to metabolic rate and heredity (genetics)... not just one's activity level. Sure, exercise and sensible caloric intake are the cornerstones of maintaining fitness, but the assumption the all fat people are chronic over-eaters and/or lazy isn't accurate. To your example, if 10 randomly selected people maintained your same routine of "stuffing my face while working out," eating the exact same meals and doing the same exercise routine for an extended period, you would likely end up with a wide range of weight loss and gain across the group at the conclusion. Many scientific studies have shown this through the use of animal models. If that were true natural selection would have bread out ALL the skinny people. I am sure there are small differences in BMR but not enough to make all the land whales we got waddling around now. |
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I weigh about 500 pounds but I am very fit.
It is part of my preps (I am a survivalist). I'm a very sexy, masculine guy, so when I look in the mirror I see that. It also serves as a training aid. While you lightweights are barely breathing heavily, I am panting and sweating even while engaged in my evening exercise, a walk around the neighborhood. When the SHTF, and I start dropping the weight (saving on using my prep calories by burning fat), I will be almost superhuman in my strength and endurance. |
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How in the world did you get above 260? I don't wanna hear about that "frame size" bullshit either, fat is fat and unless you're 8 foot tall there is no reason to be above that. (Not hating at all, it is your choice and sure you can have a bit of muscle behind that but obese is still obese.) I just want to know did you ever look at yourself in the mirror and say "damn I'm fat"? Did you keep stuffing your face or say to yourself "what am I going to do about it?" What will it take to get through to you, Precious? This isn't mean spirited at all, mental health is just as important and they go hand in hand. Being fit makes you happier and being happier helps you stay fit. I'm just curious, tearing someone down doesn't always work. Yup, you should beat yourself but there's taking it too far and doing more damage mentally. I have been stuffing my face (while working out) thinking I've surely gained a bunch of weight... and I think I gained 2 pounds when measuring today. So I just cannot fathom being that big... how do you eat that much to maintain that weight??? If you put that much work into gaining it why not do the same to lose it? I know no two people are alike but it just makes me doubletake reading stories of people hitting 400 pounds and I think "wow they probably haven't seen their dick in YEARS and surely haven't been laid by some fine ass... ever." Or I think "I bet that person has NEVER run over 100 yards let alone a mile." That alone should motivate someone to get off their ass and more importantly stop stuffing their face. Discuss, bash me, make fun of fatties or skinnies... we're all in this together. I'm not here to defend being fat and lazy, but from your post you seem to lack the understanding that obesity and fitness have repeatedly been shown to have significant linkages to metabolic rate and heredity (genetics)... not just one's activity level. Sure, exercise and sensible caloric intake are the cornerstones of maintaining fitness, but the assumption the all fat people are chronic over-eaters and/or lazy isn't accurate. To your example, if 10 randomly selected people maintained your same routine of "stuffing my face while working out," eating the exact same meals and doing the same exercise routine for an extended period, you would likely end up with a wide range of weight loss and gain across the group at the conclusion. Many scientific studies have shown this through the use of animal models. If that were true natural selection would have bread out ALL the skinny people. I am sure there are small differences in BMR but not enough to make all the land whales we got waddling around now. Huh? This statement makes no scientific sense. For one, given the generation time of humans, without an acute selection event, natural selection could only be observed over many millennia, not the relatively short period of recorded human history as we know it.
I am not arguing the point... being inactive and not watching one's diet is much easier than the opposite scenario. McDonalds will always be cheaper and easier than cooking a healthy meal. Madden '12 will always be easier than getting off the couch and being active. All I am saying, though, is that even outside of BMR, one's appetite/satiation signaling, energy levels, natural sleep cycles, etc. (all of which have been linked to weight gain and loss) all have hereditary linkages that should at least be considered before playing the "all fat people are fat because they want to be" card. |
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IMO, the hereditary thing is seriously retarded. 99.99% of people have bodies that work similarly. That being said, you do inherit eating styles and knowledge, so while genes may not play a huge part, where you grow up could(home/neighborhood/city/state/country). I'm not talking about the difference between people who run around at 10% vs. 15%, but rather most people vs. those who run around at 40%+.
It is easy to get fat. Usually it doesn't happen overnight, it takes a while. There is an issue of some kind, and normal eating patterns are messed up for a month or two. +4lbs. It takes another month or two to get out of some of the bad habits that got started. +2lbs. Maybe normal eating resumes for a while, until Superbowl Sunday. Then you finish off the leftover snacks the next day or two, and hit a BBQ the following weekend and grab a few beers. +3lbs.Maybe you start a job that requires a longer commute, longer hours, earlier start time... you start picking up breakfast at the gas station on the way in, or dinner there on the way out... +5lbs. We're up to 14lbs due to a series of events that can easily happen in a year or less. Maybe throw in deserts in the house, snacks, donuts at work, it isn't hard to pick up 15-20lbs in a year. Most people can put on quite a bit before their clothes don't fit as well, so maybe they end up buying bigger clothes after a year or more. The bigger ones offer room to continue the same lifestyle. The difference between gaining weight and loosing is really fairly small. People have a lot of reasons that they end up heavy. I really don't care to criticize them for it, anymore than criticizing someone because they aren't big and strong, or tall and good looking, rich and powerful... 
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I searched identical twins seperated at birth and obesity and the one statistic from a news article was one twin had a 70-80% chance of being obese if the other one was. Considering about 50% of America is obese I think that is a telling statistic. Not that heredity has everything to do with being fat. Too often I think society likes to label an item with one specific label rather than taking a multi-faceted and holistic view point.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How in the world did you get above 260? I think "I bet that person has NEVER run over 100 yards let alone a mile." I ran a sub-30 5k when I weighed about 270. Yup, I've seen those posts as well but outliers are just that. On that note: at what toll to your joints? How many times can you do it? Last year, weighing between 250-260, I was running 5 miles/4 nights a week. Kept it up for a couple months. Started at around 55 minutes to finish, was down to 45 minutes for the course when I stopped running it. Why did I stop? I imagine most would assume joint problems or the like, but not so. Only reason I stopped was that, while I was getting faster 5 mile times, I found out that my 1.5 mile time wasn't coming down any, and that's what I get PT tested on. After 6 years of ridiculous struggle, I've finally found a doc who takes me seriously when I tell him that I can do EVERYTHING right with my diet and work out like a fiend, but weight loss is nearly nonexistant. So far, tests are showing...something. He's getting outside of his knowledge base and into specialized medicines, so he's referred me to an endocrinologist. All he IS sure of is that something is out of whack, we're still trying to figure out what all is not right, and how the hell it's all interacting. I used to not ever work out, and my waistline wasn't where it could have been, but it was under control. Suddenly, I started ballooning up, and started working out like crazy, for no weight loss result. |
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I don't want to insult our heavier members here in SD&F but here are my thoughts... For one, it has become more acceptable to be fat these days. You see it everywhere- women "celebrating" fatness, women claiming that Marilyn Monroe was a size 12...which is equivilent to a size 2-4 by today's standards. Men do the same of course, just in different ways. Two- staying fit is hard work. In today's society many people expect a quick return on everything and are not willing to put themselves in physical discomfort either by working out hard (hint- 30 min on the elliptical probably isn't going to get you where you want to be) or by skipping a meal. Forget about cooking healthy stuff for yourself too. Of course as we all move to more indoor desk based jobs it just gets worse and worse. my 2 cents... We do have vanity sizing but I think you are a bit off here. I have always heard that she was a size 8 most of the time. This makes more sense to me but I am interested in hearing your sources. I would love a definitive non-feelings answer or just that's what I think kind of answer. I have always struggled with my weight. This year has been the worst I have ever experienced, eating significantly less/calorie counting, which has always make an impact in the past, is doing absolutely nothing to move the numbers on the scale. I was talking to my mom about it (she has had many of the same struggles as I ) and she said she has to limit her calories to 1300 per day and work out a min. of 3x a week. Since I am nearly 6 inches taller than her, I hope I will be able to have 1500 calories a day but ??? eta- I am no where near 260 and refuse to post my weight as I am mortified by it but I will guarantee none of you would guess it correctly. Most people are shocked when I come clean with the numbers. |
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How in the world did you get above 260? I don't wanna hear about that "frame size" bullshit either, fat is fat and unless you're 8 foot tall there is no reason to be above that. (Not hating at all, it is your choice and sure you can have a bit of muscle behind that but obese is still obese.) I just want to know did you ever look at yourself in the mirror and say "damn I'm fat"? Did you keep stuffing your face or say to yourself "what am I going to do about it?" What will it take to get through to you, Precious? This isn't mean spirited at all, mental health is just as important and they go hand in hand. Being fit makes you happier and being happier helps you stay fit. I'm just curious, tearing someone down doesn't always work. Yup, you should beat yourself but there's taking it too far and doing more damage mentally. I have been stuffing my face (while working out) thinking I've surely gained a bunch of weight... and I think I gained 2 pounds when measuring today. So I just cannot fathom being that big... how do you eat that much to maintain that weight??? If you put that much work into gaining it why not do the same to lose it? I know no two people are alike but it just makes me doubletake reading stories of people hitting 400 pounds and I think "wow they probably haven't seen their dick in YEARS and surely haven't been laid by some fine ass... ever." Or I think "I bet that person has NEVER run over 100 yards let alone a mile." That alone should motivate someone to get off their ass and more importantly stop stuffing their face. Discuss, bash me, make fun of fatties or skinnies... we're all in this together. I'm not here to defend being fat and lazy, but from your post you seem to lack the understanding that obesity and fitness have repeatedly been shown to have significant linkages to metabolic rate and heredity (genetics)... not just one's activity level. Sure, exercise and sensible caloric intake are the cornerstones of maintaining fitness, but the assumption the all fat people are chronic over-eaters and/or lazy isn't accurate. To your example, if 10 randomly selected people maintained your same routine of "stuffing my face while working out," eating the exact same meals and doing the same exercise routine for an extended period, you would likely end up with a wide range of weight loss and gain across the group at the conclusion. Many scientific studies have shown this through the use of animal models. If that were true natural selection would have bread out ALL the skinny people. I am sure there are small differences in BMR but not enough to make all the land whales we got waddling around now. Huh? This statement makes no scientific sense. For one, given the generation time of humans, without an acute selection event, natural selection could only be observed over many millennia, not the relatively short period of recorded human history as we know it.
I am not arguing the point... being inactive and not watching one's diet is much easier than the opposite scenario. McDonalds will always be cheaper and easier than cooking a healthy meal. Madden '12 will always be easier than getting off the couch and being active. All I am saying, though, is that even outside of BMR, one's appetite/satiation signaling, energy levels, natural sleep cycles, etc. (all of which have been linked to weight gain and loss) all have hereditary linkages that should at least be considered before playing the "all fat people are fat because they want to be" card. If fat people are fat because of decreased BMR then they can obviously eat less to live. Hence the skinny people would have taken MUCH more food to keep alive. Up until the last 50-100 years getting enough food was a real problem so the people with the so called skinny gene would have starved to death at a much higher rate than the fattys. |
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Quoted: I see fat women do that after workout treat also Its like WFT you hardly break a sweat when you were talking to your friends while on the eliptcal and now you think you earned a fucking icream sundae Amen. I watched as a group of quite chubby women came into the ice cream parlor this summer, all dressed in their best work out gear. They all ordered what I would consider very large ice cream cones. Oh well. The fatter the world gets, the better I look! |
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I searched identical twins seperated at birth and obesity and the one statistic from a news article was one twin had a 70-80% chance of being obese if the other one was. Considering about 50% of America is obese I think that is a telling statistic. Not that heredity has everything to do with being fat. Too often I think society likes to label an item with one specific label rather than taking a multi-faceted and holistic view point. And I really don't care enough to search scientific literature to support my point on the statistic so take it for what its worth. So what you're saying is that somewhere out there, 70-80% of us have a fat twin? Or that 50% of Americans have a skinny twin out there? Sorry, just trying to apply GD logic to your case.
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Quoted: You're right, 8-10 I had to refresh my memory. By today's standards though she would be a 2-4 IIRC. She was something like 5'5" and 118#....that is not a size 8 by today's standards. Quoted: I don't want to insult our heavier members here in SD&F but here are my thoughts... For one, it has become more acceptable to be fat these days. You see it everywhere- women "celebrating" fatness, women claiming that Marilyn Monroe was a size 12...which is equivilent to a size 2-4 by today's standards. Men do the same of course, just in different ways. Two- staying fit is hard work. In today's society many people expect a quick return on everything and are not willing to put themselves in physical discomfort either by working out hard (hint- 30 min on the elliptical probably isn't going to get you where you want to be) or by skipping a meal. Forget about cooking healthy stuff for yourself too. Of course as we all move to more indoor desk based jobs it just gets worse and worse. my 2 cents... We do have vanity sizing but I think you are a bit off here. I have always heard that she was a size 8 most of the time. This makes more sense to me but I am interested in hearing your sources. I would love a definitive non-feelings answer or just that's what I think kind of answer. As far as your own struggles...try something new. I'm not a fan of severe calorie restriction personally, as it's not sustainable.
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Why would you post this here? This isn't GD.
If a "fattie" comes to the fitness forum, obviously they may be looking for encouragement and support. Not assholes who feel better about themselves when they make everyone around them feel like shit. Good job.
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Hopefully this thread serves as motivation for some people to better themselves Who made you the moral compass of the internet? What the fuck does "better themselves" actually mean? Are you hoping they take a creative writing class at the local community college? I will agree, as a recovering fat body, that being fat is a choice. That also means getting in shape is a choice. Being as this is America, people have choices and really don't need people poking around telling them they should better themselves. |