Posted: 8/18/2010 10:42:57 AM EDT
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so in the natural progression of a discussion i thought a thread on fighting with knives and other edged weapons would be very informative and fun.
here is the topic starter thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=10&t=321643&page=2 so lets talk about your EDC and your combat load out and how you anticipate using your edged weapons. what system of fighting do you practice or follow? any experience? what is your favorite edged weapon? lets get it all out on the table. ETA im no expert by any stretch of the imagination. but i have taken a few classes and had a few unpleasant experiences. |
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so in the natural progression of a discussion i thought a thread on fighting with knives and other edged weapons would be very informative and fun. here is the topic starter thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=10&t=321643&page=2 so lets talk about your EDC and your combat load out and how you anticipate using your edged weapons. what system of fighting do you practice or follow? any experience? what is your favorite edged weapon? lets get it all out on the table. I did LSAI/Leskas (FMA) for several years, dabbled in pencak silat, and some seminars in between. Last experience I had was as a teenager, it was a blunt object vs blade encounter that could have ended a lot worse. kbar TDI seems like it a decent one for the money. The more I learn about edged weapons and their use, the less fun I think it is. I've seen a few students start out in FMA because it's starting to get some publicity and soon drop out once they realize what's being taught. To be honest I prefer impact weapons to learning about biomechanical cutting and such. ETA I'm pretty disappointed in the martial arts community in general. BS and politics have convinced plenty of very skilled individuals to not teach. |
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I'm interested in this also. Sport fencing is the closest thing I've done so far. I've been doing it for about 2 years now. I'm guessing some of the training principles would carry over to knife fighting. Being a sport you take a lot of risks you probably wouldn't take with a real blade, but two things we do probably would be useful, the footwork skills and lots of practice against opponents of different sizes, speeds, and skill levels. |
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so in the natural progression of a discussion i thought a thread on fighting with knives and other edged weapons would be very informative and fun. here is the topic starter thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=10&t=321643&page=2 so lets talk about your EDC and your combat load out and how you anticipate using your edged weapons. what system of fighting do you practice or follow? any experience? what is your favorite edged weapon? lets get it all out on the table. I did LSAI/Leskas (FMA) for several years, dabbled in pencak silat, and some seminars in between. Last experience I had was as a teenager, it was a blunt object vs blade encounter that could have ended a lot worse. kbar TDI seems like it a decent one for the money. The more I learn about edged weapons and their use, the less fun I think it is. I've seen a few students start out in FMA because it's starting to get some publicity and soon drop out once they realize what's being taught. To be honest I prefer impact weapons to learning about biomechanical cutting and such. ETA I'm pretty disappointed in the martial arts community in general. BS and politics have convinced plenty of very skilled individuals to not teach. great points! i was refering to the discussion, theres nothing fun about a bladed encounter of course. unless your enemy falls on his own knife, that might be funny. would you care to share you experience with us? i always learn something from real life actions. if not i understand. |
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I'm interested in this also. Sport fencing is the closest thing I've done so far. I've been doing it for about 2 years now. I'm guessing some of the training principles would carry over to knife fighting. Being a sport you take a lot of risks you probably wouldn't take with a real blade, but two things we do probably would be useful, the footwork skills and lots of practice against opponents of different sizes, speeds, and skill levels. that is a very dangerous line of thought. rarely does a sport translate to actual combat. a very good book that talks about this is "meditations on violence" by rory miller you might benefit from a short knife fighting class or seminar, they tend to highlight the difference between the edged weapon sports and MA training vs. fighting a crackhead in a parking lot with a screwdriver |
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In all honesty, despite the different types of training I've done, I figure that any encounter I have that involves a knife will be on the ground with me sticking it into the other guy as hard and as fast as I can. Nothing pretty about it. If I can tell that he has a knife before we get into hand to hand I'll either run away, shoot him, or look for a weapon that will give me better reach than him.
I always have 3, some times 4, knives on me at all times in different pockets. Thigh, front or sometimes back, pockets. If I have a choice I hope that I'll have my Lapu Lapu Corto knife in hand. Short fat blade, about 3" long by 1" wide. But any of the blades that I carry will work. The thing about martial arts and fighting, and I could be really wrong here this is just me, is that most martial artists are really good at fighting other martial artist of the same school. Doesn't work in the real world that way. Hard to find good practical training. There is a guy here where I live that does training sessions and everyone wears everyday cloths. He'll have you walk through his house and he'll jump out at you from the bathroom while your in the hallway...What do you do? Its kinda fun, kinda painful, and a lot more practical than dancing with another guy while you wear white pj's. Nothing against learning from martial arts schools, just that its not what is going to really happen to you. |
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this discussion stemmed from a question reguarding placing a rather large fighting knife on the front of a plate carrier with only friction retention. but yeah, no one gets into a fight wearing a gi and after stretching
usually youll get bumrushed and have to deal with the "sewing machine" most marial arts of of dubious value |
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I always imagined that if I got into a knife fight, I would take a purely defensive tactic. Strong foot slightly behind weak, body squared up to opponent. Stab his arm when he goes for you.
If he swings, block and stab. If he stabs, try to jump back and stab his wrist. I would hold the knife blade up. Look to block his knife with your free hand and take a shot with your knife hand. I think depending on how fast the opponent is, you have to deal with the fact that you're going to get stabbed. Better to be stabbed in your hand then in your belly. |
| The chances of anyone being involved in a knife/knife fight are so slim, that it's probably not worth training for. On the other hand, I think that unarmed (spontaneous) knife defense is well worth training time. My goal would be to disengage, and shoot, or disengage to safety. If I were using a knife for defense, I would use very basic moves and lines, with the goal still being to disengage to a better option. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I'm interested in this also. Sport fencing is the closest thing I've done so far. I've been doing it for about 2 years now. I'm guessing some of the training principles would carry over to knife fighting. Being a sport you take a lot of risks you probably wouldn't take with a real blade, but two things we do probably would be useful, the footwork skills and lots of practice against opponents of different sizes, speeds, and skill levels. that is a very dangerous line of thought. rarely does a sport translate to actual combat. a very good book that talks about this is "meditations on violence" by rory miller you might benefit from a short knife fighting class or seminar, they tend to highlight the difference between the edged weapon sports and MA training vs. fighting a crackhead in a parking lot with a screwdriver I'd love to take a class like that but there's nothing like that around here. I'm really lucky to even have a fencing club in this area. There's just not much around here. If a crackhead attacks me with a screwdriver at least I'll be faster and in better condition. I always carry a spyderco folder when I can't carry a gun. Our coach has talked about doing a smallsword class which is more like dueling than sport fencing. You're not allowed to put yourself in unnecessary risk, hits to vital body parts score more, if the blade doubles over the points increase... Two friends of mine were actually attacked by 3 or 4 crackheads years back while driving through a public housing area. They smashed the windshield of the car with a big ice block. When my friend stopped one of them sucker punched him and another attacked my other friend with a knife. The friend who got hit ran, but turned back when he heard my other friend yelling as the crackhead was trying to stab him. He pulled a large wooden stake out of the ground and pretty much brained the guy with the knife from behind. He said the other crackheads ran off after their friend's head got cracked open.
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My philosophy (such as it is) is always bring a gun to a knifefight.
No experience or training, I did have a pair of rubber training knives...whenever we worked with them it seemed obvious that both parties would be cut severely in a real-life encounter. Besides the Army and Marines (and not 100% sure about them), does anyone offer training specifically for knife fighting? |
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My philosophy (such as it is) is always bring a gun to a knifefight. No experience or training, I did have a pair of rubber training knives...whenever we worked with them it seemed obvious that both parties would be cut severely in a real-life encounter. Besides the Army and Marines (and not 100% sure about them), does anyone offer training specifically for knife fighting? YES!! look at shiv works or dogbrothers. very realistic stuff. both parties having knives is commonly refered to as a duel and is VERY rare in real life encounters. as a soldier i like to train with my knife going on the attack and then being on the defensive unarmed. in a close fight, ie contact range, a knife can be more deadly than a handgun. it doesnt jam when shoved against someone etc. doesnt run out of ammo and has a wider arc vs linear trajectory |
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The chances of anyone being involved in a knife/knife fight are so slim, that it's probably not worth training for. On the other hand, I think that unarmed (spontaneous) knife defense is well worth training time. My goal would be to disengage, and shoot, or disengage to safety. If I were using a knife for defense, I would use very basic moves and lines, with the goal still being to disengage to a better option. This. I used to spar with a Marine buddy with his training knives and the lesson I took away was I would not want to do this for real.Even the "winner' would have walked away(maybe) missing pounds of flesh.If I had to use one in a defense situation,the other guy isn't going to know about it until he's bleeding. |