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Posted: 9/28/2014 3:35:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/29/2014 4:56:17 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/2/2014 2:14:58 PM EDT
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Anyone have a copy of the XM3 build specs on hand? Thanks.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 2:43:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wayfaerer320]
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Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire: Anyone have a copy of the XM3 build specs on hand? Thanks. CALIBER: .308 Winchester / 7.62MM Chambered for Lake City 175 Gr. and/or Black Hills 175 Grain Match Barrel: 18.5" Hart 416R Stainless Steel (Mil-Gauged) Rifling: 1:10 RH Twist w/ 6 Grooves Magazine: Internal / Welded 5 Rd. Capacity Muzzle velocity: 2530 FPS w/ Suppressor and Lake City 175 Gr. 2450 FPS w/ Suppressor and Black Hills 175 Gr. Maximum effective range: 1000 yards Length: 40.50" without suppressor, 46.25" with suppressor Day Optic Sight: Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50 Illuminated Mildot NIGHT VISION SIGHT: AN/PVS-22 Universal Night Sight (UNS) Combat Weight: Complete with sling, bipod, ammunition - Day operations: 16lbs, Night operations: 18lbs XM-3 Components Receiver- M700, Clip-Slotted by IBA, Stainless Steel (Remington Arms) Stock- McMillan A-6 (A1-3), 12.25"- 13.75" Adjustable LOP w/Decel Pad (McMillan Stocks) Barrel- 18.5" OAL, 416R Stainless Steel, Twist Rate 1:10" (Hart Rifle Barrels) UNS Mount- BCM22H 6061 Aluminum, Anodized (IBA Inc.) Trigger Guard- M4 Carbon Steel (Badger Ordnance) Sling Swivels- One Piece, Permanently Installed (Wichita Arms) Recoil Lug- Titanium @ 1.070" .312" (IBA Inc.) Scope mount- Titanium Picatinny Rail, 20 MOA, Lugged (IBA Inc.) Scope Rings- .885 Ultra-lite, Aluminum / Titanium (Nightforce Inc.) Fire Control- M700 Trigger Re-Built by IBA (Remington Arms) Magazine- Internal W/ Modified Milled Follower (Remington Arms) Combat Bolt Handle, Annodized Aluminum (IBA Inc.) |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 4:09:01 PM EDT
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Is there a number for the barrel contour on the XM-3?
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Posted: 10/2/2014 4:47:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dangerdan]
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Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Is there a number for the barrel contour on the XM-3? Modified #7 contour. 2" straight taper (vs 4"). Overall diameter at the muzzle is .85" (vs .980) |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 10:09:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Anyone have a copy of the XM3 build specs on hand? Thanks. XM-3 Specs CALIBER: .308 Winchester / 7.62MM Chambered for Lake City 175 Gr. and/or Black Hills 175 Grain Match Barrel: 18.5" Hart 416R Stainless Steel (Mil-Gauged) Rifling: 1:10 RH Twist w/ 6 Grooves Magazine: Internal / Welded 5 Rd. Capacity Muzzle velocity: 2530 FPS w/ Suppressor and Lake City 175 Gr. 2450 FPS w/ Suppressor and Black Hills 175 Gr. Maximum effective range: 1000 yards Length: 40.50" without suppressor, 46.25" with suppressor Day Optic Sight: Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50 Illuminated Mildot NIGHT VISION SIGHT: AN/PVS-22 Universal Night Sight (UNS) Combat Weight: Complete with sling, bipod, ammunition - Day operations: 16lbs, Night operations: 18lbs XM-3 Components Receiver- M700, Clip-Slotted by IBA, Stainless Steel (Remington Arms) Stock- McMillan A-6 (A1-3), 12.25"- 13.75" Adjustable LOP w/Decel Pad (McMillan Stocks) Barrel- 18.5" OAL, 416R Stainless Steel, Twist Rate 1:10" (Hart Rifle Barrels) UNS Mount- BCM22H 6061 Aluminum, Anodized (IBA Inc.) Trigger Guard- M4 Carbon Steel (Badger Ordnance) Sling Swivels- One Piece, Permanently Installed (Wichita Arms) Recoil Lug- Titanium @ 1.070" .312" (IBA Inc.) Scope mount- Titanium Picatinny Rail, 20 MOA, Lugged (IBA Inc.) Scope Rings- .885 Ultra-lite, Aluminum / Titanium (Nightforce Inc.) Fire Control- M700 Trigger Re-Built by IBA (Remington Arms) Magazine- Internal W/ Modified Milled Follower (Remington Arms) Combat Bolt Handle, Annodized Aluminum (IBA Inc.) Learned something new from this thread, hadn't heard of the XM-3 before. Why did it not use DBM, and how could it possibly weigh 16 pounds still? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/2/2014 10:40:16 PM EDT
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Below is the sales flyer for the XM-3 from IBA. I'm just not seeing how this thing costs $10k?
http://www.deathfromafar.com/info/XM-3%20Sale%20Sheet.pdf McMillan A1-3 Stock - $550 Rem 700 SA Receiver - $500 Hart Barrel - ??? NF Optic & Rings - $2400 SF Suppressor & Stamp - $1600 Harris Bipod - $100 I'm missing some components, but not $5k worth. Or am I? |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 10:48:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Below is the sales flyer for the XM-3 from IBA. I'm just not seeing how this thing costs $10k? http://www.deathfromafar.com/info/XM-3%20Sale%20Sheet.pdf McMillan A1-3 Stock - $550 Rem 700 SA Receiver - $500 Hart Barrel - ??? NF Optic & Rings - $2400 SF Suppressor & Stamp - $1600 Harris Bipod - $100 I'm missing some components, but not $5k worth. Or am I? The Surefire FA762SS runs around $1700 on the low end w/o stamp. Also what's included is all the tools and hard case. I beleive some things are made from titanium. Also you have to account for man and machine costs to build it. I'm not sure what a Stainless Remington 700 actions costs. A virgin steel receiver runs around $350-400, where as you can buy a brand new Model 700 ADL with the same receiver (sans virgin) for $280 (sometimes at Walmart) to $380. I looked on gunbroker and a used stainless Model 700 is more than $500 |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 10:50:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire: Below is the sales flyer for the XM-3 from IBA. I'm just not seeing how this thing costs $10k? http://www.deathfromafar.com/info/XM-3%20Sale%20Sheet.pdf McMillan A1-3 Stock - $550 Rem 700 SA Receiver - $500 Hart Barrel - ??? NF Optic & Rings - $2400 SF Suppressor & Stamp - $1600 Harris Bipod - $100 I'm missing some components, but not $5k worth. Or am I? It's not worth $10K. The parts themselves aren't that expensive - it's the combination of the parts plus the fit and finish of said parts that will cost you major $$$ in the end. I talked to both GA Precision and Short Action Customs regarding the XM-3 - they can build a clone for approx. $4K - and that's for the rifle itself not including the rings, scope, suppressor, and bipod. You think AR clones are expensive? The precision bolt gun clone world is a fucking different animal all together...
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Posted: 10/2/2014 11:02:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Skeld:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Anyone have a copy of the XM3 build specs on hand? Thanks. XM-3 Specs CALIBER: .308 Winchester / 7.62MM Chambered for Lake City 175 Gr. and/or Black Hills 175 Grain Match Barrel: 18.5" Hart 416R Stainless Steel (Mil-Gauged) Rifling: 1:10 RH Twist w/ 6 Grooves Magazine: Internal / Welded 5 Rd. Capacity Muzzle velocity: 2530 FPS w/ Suppressor and Lake City 175 Gr. 2450 FPS w/ Suppressor and Black Hills 175 Gr. Maximum effective range: 1000 yards Length: 40.50" without suppressor, 46.25" with suppressor Day Optic Sight: Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50 Illuminated Mildot NIGHT VISION SIGHT: AN/PVS-22 Universal Night Sight (UNS) Combat Weight: Complete with sling, bipod, ammunition - Day operations: 16lbs, Night operations: 18lbs XM-3 Components Receiver- M700, Clip-Slotted by IBA, Stainless Steel (Remington Arms) Stock- McMillan A-6 (A1-3), 12.25"- 13.75" Adjustable LOP w/Decel Pad (McMillan Stocks) Barrel- 18.5" OAL, 416R Stainless Steel, Twist Rate 1:10" (Hart Rifle Barrels) UNS Mount- BCM22H 6061 Aluminum, Anodized (IBA Inc.) Trigger Guard- M4 Carbon Steel (Badger Ordnance) Sling Swivels- One Piece, Permanently Installed (Wichita Arms) Recoil Lug- Titanium @ 1.070" .312" (IBA Inc.) Scope mount- Titanium Picatinny Rail, 20 MOA, Lugged (IBA Inc.) Scope Rings- .885 Ultra-lite, Aluminum / Titanium (Nightforce Inc.) Fire Control- M700 Trigger Re-Built by IBA (Remington Arms) Magazine- Internal W/ Modified Milled Follower (Remington Arms) Combat Bolt Handle, Annodized Aluminum (IBA Inc.) Learned something new from this thread, hadn't heard of the XM-3 before. Why did it not use DBM, and how could it possibly weigh 16 pounds still? Them #7 barrels ain't light and neither are the sniper filled McMillans. I agree about the DBM, though. I don't think I could stand a rifle without one. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 11:56:07 PM EDT
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MK13 in Hollywood...
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/2/2014 11:59:50 PM EDT
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Clint better not fuck up that book.
Knew the XM-3 reminded me of something--GAP's Gladius model rifle-- http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precision-2014-custom-rifles/ga-precision-gladius.html Same price point if the $4k figure they quoted you is accurate |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 12:14:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire: Clint better not fuck up that book. Knew the XM-3 reminded me of something--GAP's Gladius model rifle-- http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precision-2014-custom-rifles/ga-precision-gladius.html Same price point if the $4k figure they quoted you is accurate Honestly, the Gladius is what I would get if I wasn't interested in a clone - it's a badass rifle and better than the XM-3 in many ways. If you really wanted to save money and still retain the XM-3 general look and feel, just get a Remy 700 SPS Tactical AAC-SD - chop the barrel, install the correct Surefire flash hider, and throw it in the McMillan A1-3 stock. The only major thing that would look off externally is the barrel profile - the XM-3's barrel is 1.2" at the breech and .850" at the muzzle - the SPS Tactical barrel is a Varmint contour, which is noticeably thinner. If Remington had any brains, they'd start offering factory models with M40/M24 contour barrels. Even people who aren't into guns have heard of the M24 and/or M40 sniper rifles (arguably the most famous and recognizable sniper rifles in the history of sniper rifles) - yet Remington doesn't offer fucking anything they sell in that barrel profile - they're morons.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/3/2014 7:43:22 AM EDT
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Wayfaerer--
This is a CLONE thread. Leave all logical thinking at the door 
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Posted: 10/3/2014 7:44:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dangerdan]
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Clint better not fuck up that book. Knew the XM-3 reminded me of something--GAP's Gladius model rifle-- http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precision-2014-custom-rifles/ga-precision-gladius.html Same price point if the $4k figure they quoted you is accurate Honestly, the Gladius is what I would get if I wasn't interested in a clone - it's a badass rifle and better than the XM-3 in many ways. If you really wanted to save money and still retain the XM-3 general look and feel, just get a Remy 700 SPS Tactical AAC-SD - chop the barrel, install the correct Surefire flash hider, and throw it in the McMillan A1-3 stock. The only major thing that would look off externally is the barrel profile - the XM-3's barrel is 1.2" at the breech and .850" at the muzzle - the SPS Tactical barrel is a Varmint contour, which is noticeably thinner. If Remington had any brains, they'd start offering factory models with M40/M24 contour barrels. Even people who aren't into guns have heard of the M24 and/or M40 sniper rifles (arguably the most famous and recognizable sniper rifles in the history of sniper rifles) - yet Remington doesn't offer fucking anything they sell in that barrel profile - they're morons. The Gladius is no where near a clone. That's like buying a DPMS MK12 rifle and going into the Mk12 clone thread and saying "Hey guise! looks at my new Mk12 Mod 1!" You gone get raped 
Remington custom shop offers an XM-3 build http://www.remingtoncustom.com/TargetTactical_xm3.aspx Really the only thing that would be noticeably different would be the Remington 40-X mark on the action (it wont say Model 700) |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 8:57:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dangerdan: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire: Clint better not fuck up that book. Knew the XM-3 reminded me of something--GAP's Gladius model rifle-- http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precision-2014-custom-rifles/ga-precision-gladius.html Same price point if the $4k figure they quoted you is accurate Honestly, the Gladius is what I would get if I wasn't interested in a clone - it's a badass rifle and better than the XM-3 in many ways. If you really wanted to save money and still retain the XM-3 general look and feel, just get a Remy 700 SPS Tactical AAC-SD - chop the barrel, install the correct Surefire flash hider, and throw it in the McMillan A1-3 stock. The only major thing that would look off externally is the barrel profile - the XM-3's barrel is 1.2" at the breech and .850" at the muzzle - the SPS Tactical barrel is a Varmint contour, which is noticeably thinner. If Remington had any brains, they'd start offering factory models with M40/M24 contour barrels. Even people who aren't into guns have heard of the M24 and/or M40 sniper rifles (arguably the most famous and recognizable sniper rifles in the history of sniper rifles) - yet Remington doesn't offer fucking anything they sell in that barrel profile - they're morons. The Gladius is no where near a clone. That's like buying a DPMS MK12 rifle and going into the Mk12 clone thread and saying "Hey guise! looks at my new Mk12 Mod 1!" You gone get raped Remington custom shop offers an XM-3 build http://www.remingtoncustom.com/TargetTactical_xm3.aspx Really the only thing that would be noticeably different would be the Remington 40-X mark on the action (it wont say Model 700) Hah no I know the Gladius isn't near a clone. Believe me, I WANT an XM-3 clone bad.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 9:04:23 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Believe me, I WANT an XM-3 clone bad. So do I now, thanks to this thread. And guess what, I can't use my suppressor on it which means I'd hafta start from scratch.  |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 9:11:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
So do I now, thanks to this thread. And guess what, I can't use my suppressor on it which means I'd hafta start from scratch.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 10:17:46 AM EDT
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Added XM2010
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Posted: 10/3/2014 12:18:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dangerdan]
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FWIW, I remember seeing photos of very early M40A3s with OPS INC 3rd Model cans. Its pretty much your standard M40A3 with Unertl scope, but with an OPS INC 12th Model can. It may have just been a prototype firearm, and they eventually dropped the OPS INC cans Found some pics   |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 1:33:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dangerdan: FWIW, I remember seeing photos of very early M40A3s with OPS INC 3rd Model cans. Its pretty much your standard M40A3 with Unertl scope, but with an OPS INC 12th Model can. It may have just been a prototype firearm, and they eventually dropped the OPS INC cans Found some pics 12th Model?  |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 1:46:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Great_Balls_of_Fire]
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I would love to see a range report / ballistic table of the XM-3 as I am curious how well it performs.
Just for shits and grins, here's a comparison between .308 Win and .300 win-mag. thefirearmblog.com put together. Does not list the specs on the rifles they used in they study: 
vs. 
Between purchasing an AEM5 suppressor, HOG Saddle / Manfrotto Tripod Setup, and Elcan SU-230 sight--if I can find one--you'd think at some point I'd tell myself to refrain from beginning one of these bolt guns...
PS if any of you knuckleheads have any leads on a SU-230 I'll buy it. M |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 2:21:15 PM EDT
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M40A5
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Posted: 10/3/2014 2:46:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By dangerdan: FWIW, I remember seeing photos of very early M40A3s with OPS INC 3rd Model cans. Its pretty much your standard M40A3 with Unertl scope, but with an OPS INC 12th Model can. It may have just been a prototype firearm, and they eventually dropped the OPS INC cans Found some pics 12th Model? Yes, 12th Model |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 10/3/2014 5:40:45 PM EDT
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Loving this thread!!
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Posted: 10/3/2014 6:17:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dangerdan: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By dangerdan: FWIW, I remember seeing photos of very early M40A3s with OPS INC 3rd Model cans. Its pretty much your standard M40A3 with Unertl scope, but with an OPS INC 12th Model can. It may have just been a prototype firearm, and they eventually dropped the OPS INC cans Found some pics 12th Model? Yes, 12th Model 5.56mm bolt gun? Thought that was kind of a waste of time. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 7:17:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By dangerdan: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By dangerdan: FWIW, I remember seeing photos of very early M40A3s with OPS INC 3rd Model cans. Its pretty much your standard M40A3 with Unertl scope, but with an OPS INC 12th Model can. It may have just been a prototype firearm, and they eventually dropped the OPS INC cans Found some pics 12th Model? Yes, 12th Model 5.56mm bolt gun? Thought that was kind of a waste of time. The "12th Model" isn't exclusive to the 5.56 - there is also a 12th Model for .308 as well. It's confusing as shit, but there are different versions of what OPS Inc calls the "12th Model."
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Posted: 10/3/2014 9:49:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By dangerdan: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By dangerdan: FWIW, I remember seeing photos of very early M40A3s with OPS INC 3rd Model cans. Its pretty much your standard M40A3 with Unertl scope, but with an OPS INC 12th Model can. It may have just been a prototype firearm, and they eventually dropped the OPS INC cans Found some pics 12th Model? Yes, 12th Model 5.56mm bolt gun? Thought that was kind of a waste of time. The "12th Model" isn't exclusive to the 5.56 - there is also a 12th Model for .308 as well. It's confusing as shit, but there are different versions of what OPS Inc calls the "12th Model." Dammit, the .308 12th is longer than the 5.56 12th. That thing needs a different designation than 12th!
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Posted: 10/5/2014 6:02:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ghostface:
Loving this thread!! Me too. Awesome thread.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:39:19 AM EDT
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Quick question, I'll delete if this isn't appropriate for a clone thread but,
On the M40, what kind of accuracy can be expected, what was gained from an accuracy standpoint with the M40A1. I think that the M40 just looks so damn good, but if the wood stock really hampers accuracy then maybe I just work on a A1. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 8:37:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ACPjunkie: Quick question, I'll delete if this isn't appropriate for a clone thread but, On the M40, what kind of accuracy can be expected, what was gained from an accuracy standpoint with the M40A1. I think that the M40 just looks so damn good, but if the wood stock really hampers accuracy then maybe I just work on a A1. The M40A1 uses a stainless barrel IIRC (vs the M40s parkerized steel barrel). Also the fiberglass stocks are not susceptible to swelling/warping like wood stocks. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 10:01:49 AM EDT
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So what was the accepted accuracy for the M40 shooting what I assume was the precursor to M118LR?
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Posted: 10/6/2014 4:41:51 PM EDT
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I've been doing some digging around on the Various Mk13s not mentioned. I have gathered, but not confirmed: Mk13 Mod 0 - .308 Mk13 Mod 1 - .300 Win Mag (already posted) Mk13 Mod 2 - .338 Lapua Mk13 Mod 3 (or 4?) - .300 Win Mag w/ KAC M110 suppressor (what Chris Kyle used) |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 5:20:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dangerdan: I've been doing some digging around on the Various Mk13s not mentioned. I have gathered, but not confirmed: Mk13 Mod 0 - .308 Mk13 Mod 1 - .300 Win Mag (already posted) Mk13 Mod 2 - .338 Lapua Mk13 Mod 3 (or 4?) - .300 Win Mag w/ KAC M110 suppressor (what Chris Kyle used) I'm certainly no authority on precision rifles or their history, but when I was interested in building some sort of MK13 clone, I had sent Kevin at HCS that image of Chris Kyle with the MK13 - wanting to know if they could build one (they can and will, btw) and just curious in general about the history of the MK13... Anyway, he mentioned that Alan had built MK13s while at Crane and according to him there technically wasn't any "Mod" designation for the early built MK13s (they possibly didn't even refer to them as MK13s either?) - they simply called them "the .300 win mag" - like the one often seen pictured with Chris Kyle in Iraq. Obviously, Alan has a lot more insight, but I thought I'd share what Kevin had passed on to me.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 10/6/2014 5:24:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dangerdan:
I've been doing some digging around on the Various Mk13s not mentioned. I have gathered, but not confirmed: Mk13 Mod 0 - .308 Mk13 Mod 1 - .300 Win Mag (already posted) Mk13 Mod 2 - .338 Lapua Mk13 Mod 3 (or 4?) - .300 Win Mag w/ KAC M110 suppressor (what Chris Kyle used) While there may have been one-offs of one variety or another - the Mk13 series is .300WM. There was no .338LM rifle with a Mk13 designation...... |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:49:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lawman734: Originally Posted By dangerdan: I've been doing some digging around on the Various Mk13s not mentioned. I have gathered, but not confirmed: Mk13 Mod 0 - .308 Mk13 Mod 1 - .300 Win Mag (already posted) Mk13 Mod 2 - .338 Lapua Mk13 Mod 3 (or 4?) - .300 Win Mag w/ KAC M110 suppressor (what Chris Kyle used) While there may have been one-offs of one variety or another - the Mk13 series is .300WM. There was no .338LM rifle with a Mk13 designation...... It's been awhile
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Posted: 10/6/2014 10:03:23 PM EDT
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I know of several varieties of .338LM that have been used over the years - hell I was on a training evolution with some SEAL'S where they were field testing Chey-Tac .408CT rifles. I've never seen them since and they obviously weren't type classified.
The SEALs really aren't that into .338LM and opted out of the PSR program in favor of the .300WM instead, so while there may have been testing and even the odd unit here and there that might be using a LM - you generally won't find many SEALs using them. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 11:16:51 PM EDT
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Cool thread. Big money in these clones.
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Posted: 10/7/2014 10:10:10 AM EDT
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SOCOM, can pull pretty much anything that they want into the arms room via COTS (commercial off the shelf) purchases. Hence you are going to run across rifles that do not carry an official NSN or designation/nomenclature.
Back in my early Army days, prior to the M24s (pre 1988), all of our Bolt Action Sniper Rifles were COTS. Some of them were straight-up off the shelf factory rifles, some of them were custom built by civilian Gunsmiths. We had both .308s and .300 WMs. These were "on the books" at the unit level, but nothing beyond that level, and they carried no NSNs or official designation/nomenclature. Fast forward to OEF & OIF, and the various branches started to augment their Sniper Rifles through various channels. Within SOCOM, some of the rifles were acquired, built, modified at the unit level via COTS, these are not going to have any NSNs or official designation/nomenclature. Some were built at the Division or Depot level, most of these will have some form of NSNs or official designation/nomenclature, however they may not be 100% uniform (examples above). Some new ones were coming through official channels/solicitations like the M2010. If you use a NSN search engine, you can find the models that are "officially" in the system at the Depot or Division level and higher: http://www.dlis.dla.mil/webflis/pub/pub_search.aspx http://www.armyproperty.com/ Searching the NSNs can be a PITA, but it will also clearly paint a picture of what is actually in the system. I was able to find: 1005-01-523-4611 MK13 Mod 2 1005-01-537-1996 MK13 Mod 3 1005-01-537-1997 MK13 Mod 4 1005-01-549-1271 MK13 Mod 5 1005-01-590-3351 MK13 Mod 6 1005-01-609-1039 MK13 Mod 7 All are listed as .300 WM. You have to watch with the MK13 Mod 0, because it has official designations both as a 40mm Grenade Launcher for the SCAR and a SAR Marking Flare. Not sure if the original Mk13 Mod 1 ever had a NSN? Best of Luck! |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 10/7/2014 11:58:38 PM EDT
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You guys forgot the M24A2
I have one if you need the specs to the 'new' parts. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 12:12:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dangerdan]
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Originally Posted By gammaecho22: You guys forgot the M24A2 I have one if you need the specs to the 'new' parts. Please post your knowledge.
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Posted: 10/8/2014 1:17:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: gammaecho22]
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Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By gammaecho22:
You guys forgot the M24A2 I have one if you need the specs to the 'new' parts. Please post your knowledge. Sort of, but they did add a few small things. I went with this version as I wanted the NV capability as well as the AICS mag. - Re-barrel but to the same 1:11.25 twist; however there are reports that they are not all RC contract barrels and some have been manufactured elsewhere. Can't confirm this firsthand but have seen this as well as the lack of the specific RC barrel markings from more than 1 source so take that for whats its worth, but I'd stick with the correct Rock Creek barrel. - Barrel is machined at the front to accommodate the Ops Inc. 3rd model suppressor (Ops Inc has since gone out of business, but the company that made them for Ops Inc still operates) - Long action MARS rail - Stock has been changed to the HS Precision PST026 with modified Remington labeled butt pad that is .5 inches shorter than the HS Precision butt pad that comes with them normally - Badger bottom metal that is not the commonly mistaken M5; the M5 is part number 306-84 where the M24A2 specific bottom metal is an uncatalogued Badger item with part number 306-85. Marty at Badger has these available from time to time. Here is mine with all of the correct parts including the correct M24 marked action, Rock Creek barrel, M24 trigger, Badger bottom metal, MARS rail, correct recoil lug, HS Precision stock and Badger rings but no barrel machine work; that's coming whenever the suppressor shows up. The Nightforce isn't quite spec for this but as with all things, this wouldn't be the first time a M24A2 wears one as well as a multitude of other optics that are used instead of the MK4. The Nightforce and Badger rings still need to go to paint and that is a clip on on the front for anyone wondering why my optic is so ridiculously long. But since its a pic thread, here you go as it was about to go long distance coyote hunting. 
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Posted: 10/9/2014 12:08:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dangerdan]
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Not my ad, but I feel I should post it for those looking to build an "almost" authentic clone
USMC M40A1 return stock for sale with bottom metal and M40A1 parts with E series 6 digit action |
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Posted: 10/13/2014 11:40:49 PM EDT
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All links to snipers hider are now a dead end now that they sold out to some college sports website.
All the good info from there is now gone.
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Posted: 10/13/2014 11:48:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dangerdan:
All links to snipers hider are now a dead end now that they sold out to some college sports website.All the good info from there is now gone. 
I never went there much but that is an awful loss. For no real benefit, either, except for Galli. |
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Posted: 10/14/2014 12:21:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dangerdan: All links to snipers hider are now a dead end now that they sold out to some college sports website. All the good info from there is now gone. What a waste - I guess Frank decided he was done with the hide...
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Posted: 10/14/2014 12:29:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Originally Posted By dangerdan: All links to snipers hider are now a dead end now that they sold out to some college sports website. All the good info from there is now gone. What a waste - I guess Frank decided he was done with the hide... |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 10/14/2014 2:38:13 AM EDT
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Now that sucks, I thought it was just the computer that I was at. I can get on the old sight from my phone and a second computer. It sucks that all the sports shit is connected to the new site and all the old information wasn't transported over....
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Posted: 10/14/2014 12:52:53 PM EDT
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There is supposed to be an archive that will hold the old site and all of its information. I haven't seen a link yet though.
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