Posted: 10/2/2012 8:08:28 AM EDT
| I moved from heavy metal to tactical irons earlier this year. I have an ar and m&p now I just need to buy a autoloader. I have been lucky enough to have a friend with about 4 benelli's so I get to borrow his M1 since I switched classes. Now to the Point I have had my eye on the Versa Max field 26" for a while now seeing how my 870 has a 26" barrel it doesn't bother me; However, funds would need to be accumulated. I have been looking into the CZ 712 but can only find bits and pieces of information on how they do for 3-gun. So my question would be should I save my money and just keep borrowing my friends m1 till i can get a benelli or versa max or should I strongly consider the cz or any other options out there that I may have over looked... thanks |
You can't go wrong with the VM - mine has been awesome:
If you want info on the CZ 712, there is a good thread over at Enos. |
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I saw a 26 or 28@ M1 go for $750 on gun broker last week. Sounds like the bottom is falling out of the Benelli market now that all the best 3-Gunners are switching to the Versa Max  That is funny. You can lug that heavy pistol gripped thing around if you want. I prefer my light and quick M2. Pat |
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I had the opportunity to shoot my buddy's m1 next to a versa max tactical, In an honest opinion they where virtually the same in every besides the versa max seemed to be softer on the shoulder however that doesn't bother me at all. Thanks for the responses. When I do walk into a shop (the one that my buddy runs) to get a shotgun I think I want a 24in vent rib benelli or versa max tactical. That is due to myself needing a slightly handier shotgun do to past training in the military (I know its 3-gun and not ultra uber tactical shooting) but once a combat troop always a combat troop
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Pat, have you handled a VersaMax? Comparing the manufacturer's websites, it weighs .4 lbs more than the Benelli. Just my opinion, but I think that's insignificant.
I'm still shooting a M1, but waiting to fall into a deal on a VersaMax. The 3 1/2" receiver allows for a lot more room in loading and of the guns I've shot, I think the VM is softer shooting than my obsolete M1. I also like that it's American made. |
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Pat, have you handled a VersaMax? Comparing the manufacturer's websites, it weighs .4 lbs more than the Benelli. Just my opinion, but I think that's insignificant. I'm still shooting a M1, but waiting to fall into a deal on a VersaMax. The 3 1/2" receiver allows for a lot more room in loading and of the guns I've shot, I think the VM is softer shooting than my obsolete M1. I also like that it's American made. I have handled a Versamax in the gun store and it felt a lot heavier than the M2 that I compared it at the same time. Also .4 pounds is almost half a pound that is significant to me. My roommate is going to get a Versamax so I will be able to do some shooting tests side by side in a few months. I don't really much care where the guns are made so long as they are top quality. My thing is this why reward substandard workmanship just because the company is american. I buy american products when they are the best but not when they are not. Pat |
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Pat- yet another area where our opinions differ. I don't think the VM is a substandard product. I feel they are on par with a Benelli. I've never used the 1100/1187 for that very reason though. I did not mean to imply it was substandard. I was just saying I will buy the gun that is the best regardless of where its from. The Versamax seems to be a very good gun but then again they copied Benelli heavily in some areas. Pat |
| Back to the discussion at hand here...... I think you are better off saving your pennies and borroring your buddies M1 and saving some cash while you decide which is best for you. I think the Benelli takes too much upgrades to become 3 gun ready. I am a kinda person, to pull out of the box and shoot. But I hear that Benelli is coming out with a 3 gun shotgun soon. Of course Red Jacket has to make a tv show about it first as if they came up with it on their own. |
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Back to the discussion at hand here...... I think you are better off saving your pennies and borroring your buddies M1 and saving some cash while you decide which is best for you. I think the Benelli takes too much upgrades to become 3 gun ready. I am a kinda person, to pull out of the box and shoot. But I hear that Benelli is coming out with a 3 gun shotgun soon. Of course Red Jacket has to make a tv show about it first as if they came up with it on their own. I think this week's episode is the Benelli shotgun...  they're doing an M4
There's another firearms web site that will have a 3-gun-ready shotgun in the next 30 days though... |
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Back to the discussion at hand here...... I think you are better off saving your pennies and borroring your buddies M1 and saving some cash while you decide which is best for you. I think the Benelli takes too much upgrades to become 3 gun ready. I am a kinda person, to pull out of the box and shoot. But I hear that Benelli is coming out with a 3 gun shotgun soon. Of course Red Jacket has to make a tv show about it first as if they came up with it on their own. The thinking above (in bold) is very confusing to me. I have and many others have purchased an M2 and screwed a Nordic Tube on the end, checked for slug zero and went shooting. There are only a few guys in the game who have competed with as many different self loaders as I have and I have not found the Beneli "want" for a bunch of accessories. We (most 3 gunners) use them because they work. I will pick a Versa Max at some point just to play with and compare (so I can speak from actual experience). While I have "smithed" a couple and put a few rounds though them I don't see what it offers over the M2. Let it get a track record for reliability LONG TERM and then we will see how it stacks up. |
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This is Benelli's new 3 gun ready shotgun to compete with Versamax Tacital. At a MSRP of $2699 WOW!!!!!
http://www.benelliusa.com/shotguns/benelli-performance-shop-m2-3-gun-model.php |
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I just meant to say that the Benelli's are more costly out of the box compared to the Versamax. Not really I paid 1100 for my M2 and added a tube for about $80 and I shot it that way for a while before sending it to Accurate Iron. The Versamax is $1400 and you will still need to send it to a custom shop later. Pat |
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The Versamax may be $1400 retail. But at grabagun.com it is $1060 look at the link below, normally grabagun.com keep it in stock since it is becoming popular it is not now. I noticed you may be bias towards Benelli. I have nothing against towards Benelli nor the Versamax, but this discussion is not just our person favorites it is figure out what is the best financial choice to make and investment. I have been shopping also. Right now I own neither so I have no right to say which is better. You may be right Pat the Benelli may be the best over the Versamax. But in over all cost it seems the Versamax is a cheaper choice to make to be in a professional level of shotgun out of a box value. Please fill me in on what you have to do on sending the Versamax off on getting it ready, because honestly I dont know. Right now I own a Tac 4 I love my Tac 4 it runs like a champ, but I want to upgrade but I dont want to spend 2g or more so that is why I have leaned towards the versamax and stayed away from the Benelli hype. Sorry to seem harsh Pat not trying to be. I have heard not many great things on the CZ autoloader when to comes to long term 3 gun
http://grabagun.com/remington-versamax-tact-12-22-blk-1.html |
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My complaints about the versamax tactical is that the lifter will shear your thumbnail off with minimal effort and the lop is very long. I've welded the lifter and am working on opening up the loading port. Once that is complete I'll be ordering a decelerator and filing the stock down about a half inch.
It pretty much needs a lot of the common benelli mods. . |
| Why is this an common issue with Benelli and the Vesamax?? Why cant the develop a shotgun to where you do not need to do these things, like welding lifters, widing loading ports and such? They must know that comsumers will be buying their shotguns to use them in competitions. Also they should be competition ready. I cant stand buying something and have to buy more things just to use it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry for any of my miss spelling |
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The Versamax may be $1400 retail. But at grabagun.com it is $1060 look at the link below, normally grabagun.com keep it in stock since it is becoming popular it is not now. I noticed you may be bias towards Benelli. I have nothing against towards Benelli nor the Versamax, but this discussion is not just our person favorites it is figure out what is the best financial choice to make and investment. I have been shopping also. Right now I own neither so I have no right to say which is better. You may be right Pat the Benelli may be the best over the Versamax. But in over all cost it seems the Versamax is a cheaper choice to make to be in a professional level of shotgun out of a box value. Please fill me in on what you have to do on sending the Versamax off on getting it ready, because honestly I dont know. Right now I own a Tac 4 I love my Tac 4 it runs like a champ, but I want to upgrade but I dont want to spend 2g or more so that is why I have leaned towards the versamax and stayed away from the Benelli hype. Sorry to seem harsh Pat not trying to be. I have heard not many great things on the CZ autoloader when to comes to long term 3 gun http://grabagun.com/remington-versamax-tact-12-22-blk-1.html All I am saying is the cost difference is not that great. If youc an get one for 1060 and you can get the M2 for 1100 plus a magazine extension your within $100 bucks not enough to sway me either way on price alone. Not saying the Versamax is good or bad just saying cost is not a big factor between the two. Its not like the JM that is coming in at several hundred less. Plus with the Versamax you have to buy a choke tube because that tactical tube puts you in open. Pat |
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The Versamax comes with mulitple chokes plus the turkey choke which they picture it with the gun. So their is no need to purchase any chokes. My Tac 4 came with 3. Very Bias To clarify- the tactical version (only 22" barrel option) comes with an IC choke and a ported "tactical" choke which is what he was talking about. You cannot use the ported choke except in open class, so you probably need to buy a LM or M choke for competition. If you buy a field gun (26 or 28" barrels) you get more chokes, but lose a lot of the benefits the tactical gives you in addition to the 22" barrel... Cost-wise both guns are close. Benelli has the reputation and following; Remington is the new kid on the block, but very promising. Chevy or Ford. |
| The article I just read online was very misleading..... It stated that it came with multiple chokes like the field but the ported choke was an option but was pictured in the photo. Maybe I read an old article????? If the Versamax and the Benelli both came out of the box the same length both with extended tubes and chokes and at the same price I would probably go with the Benelli just on she sheer fact on tract record. I really dont need the benefit of shooting 3"+ shells like the versamax can handle, dont plan on hunting with it. Sorry for my ignorance on this subject, this is an topic after all............ |
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The article I just read online was very misleading..... It stated that it came with multiple chokes like the field but the ported choke was an option but was pictured in the photo. Maybe I read an old article????? If the Versamax and the Benelli both came out of the box the same length both with extended tubes and chokes and at the same price I would probably go with the Benelli just on she sheer fact on tract record. I really dont need the benefit of shooting 3"+ shells like the versamax can handle, dont plan on hunting with it. Sorry for my ignorance on this subject, this is an topic after all............ Both guns are good. I prefer the Benelli on the weight factor but some very good shooters are using both guns. I will be able to compare them more closely by shooting them as soon as my roommate picks his Versamax up. pat |
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-Update- I found a 21in M1 vent rib with an extension tube already on it, and I bought it... It is super clean my FFL knows the guy who owned it and the guy just traded it and a S&W Vtac M&P15 for a FS2000. The guy doesn't shoot much just likes cool tactical things. Very excited to solve my auto loader issue.
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