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6/17/2014 9:21:19 AM EDT
When it comes to Coax I have no clue what to do....is there a "coax for dummies" page? Or can someone give me the low down
6/17/2014 9:43:36 AM EDT
[#1]
Google is your friend

Also this has some Coax info in it also.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_6/46_Safes_andamp__Home_Security.html
6/17/2014 10:18:45 AM EDT
[#2]
Basically you get what you pay for when it comes to coax. If you are going to be using long runs on the VHF/UHF bands it is a pretty big deal to buy the best coax (least loss) you can afford. The HF bands aren't as critical unless you have to run over 100ft.
6/17/2014 10:42:31 AM EDT
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The devil is in the details.

RG-8 (which I understand is not officially anymore, now there is RG-213 which is sorta RG-8 to military specs of quality--as I understand it) is not the same as RG-8X, and not RG-58.

For me, I use RG-8 for HF and LMR 400 for UHF/VHF and then RG-8X only for really short stuff (like from radio to tuner) where flexibility is needed and the run is short enough that I don't worry about losses.
6/17/2014 11:26:00 AM EDT
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I want to run about 50' for my UHF/VHF radio, what would I use for low loss
6/17/2014 12:07:07 PM EDT
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For my $26 Ed Fong PVC J-Pole (220Mhz) I purchased a 60' pre-fab segment of "Super 8 Low Loss" from The Wireman at Shelby Hamfest last year.  Cost was $60....twice that of my antenna and nearly the same as I paid for my Wouxun HT that I use it with

Call Debbie, she can help you out! (800) 727-9473

not affiliated, but good local peeps!
6/17/2014 12:19:49 PM EDT
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For VHF / UHF, I'd recommend the 400Max from www.dxengineering.com; good quality and a bit cheaper than the equivalent from ABR Industries.  (ABR is top-notch though; particularly with their connectors.)

Of course since you're in TX, expect to pay sales tax.

Here's a handy attenuation chart from Universal Radio to help you decide...  Universal Radio Attenuation chart

Josh
6/17/2014 12:22:11 PM EDT
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Either the "Super 8" suggested by SCW or LMR 400.
6/17/2014 12:52:55 PM EDT
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Genuine Times Microwave LMR-400, not the "400" type clones. I cant recommend anything else for 144, 222, and short applications on 440. For 440 on up I look an Andrew Heliax type hardline. For 50-54 MHz and down I only use RG-213 Mil-Spec cable.

I am very specific about what I recommend because these have the UV resistance and can be direct buried. I don't see the point of saving a few cents per foot to have the cheaper cable fail due to UV exposure or water intrusion. I only use RG-8x for jumpers of less than 10 feet and mobile mount applications where the length is less than 20 feet.
6/17/2014 2:40:13 PM EDT
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RG-213 for HF and LMR400 for VHF/UHF.
6/17/2014 3:08:41 PM EDT
[#10]
LMR-400
And don't look back.
6/17/2014 3:12:01 PM EDT
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LMR400 for vhf/uhf.
6/17/2014 3:22:24 PM EDT
[#12]
One more guy telling you LMR-400.

You should be getting the idea by now.
6/17/2014 3:33:22 PM EDT
[#13]
LMR600 with n type connectors
6/17/2014 3:42:56 PM EDT
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Does it need to be flexible for repeated bends, like around a rotor, or at the end that terminates in the shack?
6/17/2014 3:56:37 PM EDT
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Does it need to be flexible for repeated bends, like around a rotor, or at the end that terminates in the shack?


Thats right, real men use hardline
6/17/2014 4:01:48 PM EDT
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For VHF/UHF, use N connectors... Whether you use LMR400 or something better (read: more expensive per foot w/less loss), you'll want to use N connectors.

Hardline is best, obviously. 1.5" is what I'd do if I had money.
6/17/2014 4:23:47 PM EDT
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what the fuckever..under 100 ft use raidoshack shity rg8  works fine, I use it at 4 watts to bang a repeater 45 miles away all day long..smiley
6/17/2014 4:27:53 PM EDT
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1/2" hard line with N connectors. Accept no substitute.  
 
6/17/2014 4:33:05 PM EDT
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No....



Here is your radioshack RG8  









 
6/17/2014 4:36:37 PM EDT
[#20]
RG-8 at 50 feet, 50w.

1/2" Hard Line 50 feet at 50w.






Losses on VHF are not too bad but its the loss on UHF that coax will kill ya.
 
6/17/2014 4:48:44 PM EDT
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whatever  use your graf {Elmer]  in real life it works fine  /like I sad 4 watts into downtown all day long .....
6/17/2014 4:59:45 PM EDT
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To be clear, I didn't say it didn't work. What I am saying is your leaving a LOT on the table by using 8x 'up to 100ft'. Thats all. Have a nice day.



 
6/17/2014 5:15:55 PM EDT
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7/8 Heliax Hard Line and a 199 ft tower with GP-9 vertical antenna on top.
But realistically get 50 ft of LMR-400 and call it good.
6/17/2014 5:59:09 PM EDT
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Genuine times microwave LMR-400.
6/17/2014 6:24:48 PM EDT
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That's what is sitting in my garage for my tower project.   HF though.  Should be minimal loss.
6/18/2014 7:51:14 AM EDT
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LMR-600 with N connectors
6/18/2014 1:18:16 PM EDT
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Is there any coax cable that works "good enough" for both HF & UHF/VHF?  I'm looking to get a buddipole which can transmit either and would like to stick with one type of cable.
6/18/2014 1:21:19 PM EDT
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Depends on what you think "good enough" is.

RG-213, good enough.  LMR 400 better "good enough."





 
6/18/2014 4:34:26 PM EDT
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LMR400 w/ N connectors