Posted: 2/5/2014 5:14:59 PM EDT
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Sorry I'm not smart enough to operate with Linux....i
I may be getting me another Dell....Pre-owned and (may) have the choice of XP (Pro) or Win 7.... which of those 2 will be better for me and my little "ham radio" hobby....... |
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Win 7. XP will no longer be supported after April 2014. It means you should take action. After April 8, 2014, there will be no new security updates, non-security hotfixes, free or paid assisted support options or online technical content updates. You say that as if it's a bad thing. I made the mistake of updating Wind 8 last night to troubleshoot an issue. Completely destabilized my laptop. 
SCW, you can learn Linux. Get Linux Mint installed on something, anything, and start poking at it to understand how to get around. On the surface it's not really any more complex than Wind (yes, M$ is full of hot air), but you have complete control if you want to start digging deeper. It's orders of magnitude more stable, and multitasks far better. |
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Win 7. XP will no longer be supported after April 2014 You say that as if it's a bad thing. The fact that XP will no longer have security updates is indeed a bad thing. I made the mistake of updating Wind 8 last night to troubleshoot an issue. Completely destabilized my laptop. Windows 7 is VERY stable, has a familiar user interface, plays nice with most applications originally written for XP, and will be supported by Microsoft for a long time to come. There really isn't any good reason for not upgrading to it. |
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Have to get windows 7, if they find any back doors into Win XP, which exist and most hackers/assholes will be waitng to use it. I will still leave my old 2002 desktop hooked up running xp, it only gets used to play videos. The real bad is that they no longer will have to make browsers and software that support XP. As soon as IE or other MS program has to be updated for one reason or another down the road it may not work on XP. I always see this as a move to eliminate the older PCs that are still in use. The biggest hit will be to my old faithful IBM Thinkpad, it just can't handle much more. |
. But Windows XP is reaching end of life so once it is no longer supported once people find security flaws you won't receive updates to protect you.
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The fact that XP will no longer have security updates is indeed a bad thing. Windows 7 is VERY stable, has a familiar user interface, plays nice with most applications originally written for XP, and will be supported by Microsoft for a long time to come. There really isn't any good reason for not upgrading to it. Quoted:
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Win 7. XP will no longer be supported after April 2014 You say that as if it's a bad thing. The fact that XP will no longer have security updates is indeed a bad thing. I made the mistake of updating Wind 8 last night to troubleshoot an issue. Completely destabilized my laptop. Windows 7 is VERY stable, has a familiar user interface, plays nice with most applications originally written for XP, and will be supported by Microsoft for a long time to come. There really isn't any good reason for not upgrading to it. Yes, I know. I have a Wind7 system as well. A highly polished turd is still a turd. Granted that Wind7 is the best thing M$ has released to day, comes in a readily available 64 bit version, is quite stable, and will be supported for the foreseeable future is all good. But unless you're a hard core gamer it's well past time to look to Linux. Why pay around $100 per license and still not have full control of the hardware you paid for? And you get the privilege of paying more if you want to actually connect to a server. Sorry SCW, didn't want to derail your thread. But seriously, buy a cheap 2nd hand PC (or build one from spare parts laying around) and slap Mint on it. I think you'll be very pleased. And there are ham radio tools aplenty on Linux if you decide you want to make that your main. |
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Quoted: Sorry I'm not smart enough to operate with Linux....i I may be getting me another Dell....Pre-owned and (may) have the choice of XP (Pro) or Win 7.... which of those 2 will be better for me and my little "ham radio" hobby....... Stay away from XP now. Microshit is not updating it after April unless your not going to leave it connected to wifi/internet. |
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my little netbook is a Mint machine, and for what I use it for it's fine....just don't want to run into a 'you can't use that program because it's not windoze' thanks for all the heads up on XP! I'll let you know what happens  Quoted:
my little netbook is a Mint machine, and for what I use it for it's fine....just don't want to run into a 'you can't use that program because it's not windoze' thanks for all the heads up on XP! I'll let you know what happens See? You had me going with this quote... Quoted:
Sorry I'm not smart enough to operate with Linux....i ...and I'm thinking to myself "If you're smart enough to operate on HF, build antennae, and generally all around do ham stuff, you're plenty smart enough to use Linux". But as everyone else said, go with Windwoes 7 given your situation. |
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Ughh FN MCSquared trolled me into it.
There is a reason that HRD isn't released for Linux, because not enough people want it. They have said they are willing to port it (I doubt it is open source but would still be available) to linux if they can get help. Same with Flex. There are people that ask for it and the Flex guys don't sound opposed to the idea, but they know the money is with Windows users. There are great open source programs like FLdigi, FLrig, Xastir, YAAC, Grig, WSJTX, and now DSD. What your OP sounds like to me is "Someone tell me what car is better. BTW I don't want to be allowed to change my own oil or install my own CD player. Also I want one that sends my GPS data to a data center somewhere with no oversight" I am starting to sound like RMS so I will stop. But the excuse of "I cant get programs (HRD)" irks me. |
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it's not HRD that I'm after...but need a primary all-around PC that I can use with my Ham Gear.
I'm tiring of the Netbook (small keys) and it's broken Audio Output so it's limited to what I'm willing/able to do with it. Looks like 7 will work for my needs....Frankly, I really like love the premise behind Linux-but I've not the time to learn it right now. |
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it's not HRD that I'm after...but need a primary all-around PC that I can use with my Ham Gear. I'm tiring of the Netbook (small keys) and it's broken Audio Output so it's limited to what I'm willing/able to do with it. Looks like 7 will work for my needs....Frankly, I really like love the premise behind Linux-but I've not the time to learn it right now. Windows 7 is a good OS for what it is. I run it in a VM from time to time for the MCP2 and MCP4 programs because they are that good. But 99% of the time everything anyone in my family needs is done on Linux, that includes my wife running her own business. You are free to call me anytime you need help, or post here and maybe it will help someone else. When you first start you might have a hardware issue but that is usually fixed with a little google-fu. With most modern Debian based distros just about any common hardware you have will be supported. |
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Windows 7 is a good OS for what it is. I run it in a VM from time to time for the MCP2 and MCP4 programs because they are that good. Quoted:
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it's not HRD that I'm after...but need a primary all-around PC that I can use with my Ham Gear. I'm tiring of the Netbook (small keys) and it's broken Audio Output so it's limited to what I'm willing/able to do with it. Looks like 7 will work for my needs....Frankly, I really like love the premise behind Linux-but I've not the time to learn it right now. Windows 7 is a good OS for what it is. I run it in a VM from time to time for the MCP2 and MCP4 programs because they are that good. This is where you Linux guys lose me. I ran Linux for years, and ran into this problem. Not worth the headache. Yeah, Windows loads a crap load of stuff you never need/user. But, I'm not spending days trying to find the right library and whatever mess is required to run a simple program. With today's computers, the extra crap that's loaded with Windows is perfectly fine with me. I run too many Windows platform only apps to sit there and run a VM session all the time. Do you Linux guys legally purchase a Windows license to run on your VM? Sounds pretty stupid to me. |
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This is where you Linux guys lose me. I ran Linux for years, and ran into this problem. Not worth the headache. I enjoy tinkering on stuff to get the best performance. That is why I enjoy carbs over fuel injection, I can use a screwdriver and get it just right. Yeah, Windows loads a crap load of stuff you never need/user. But, I'm not spending days trying to find the right library and whatever mess is required to run a simple program. Most mainstream Debian distros have a ton of precombiled packages available in the repos. That is why I recommend people start with something like Mint. With the apt package manger it grabs all of your libraries and dependencies when installing. Yum and pacman do this too. With today's computers, the extra crap that's loaded with Windows is perfectly fine with me. I run too many Windows platform only apps to sit there and run a VM session all the time. Yes some people (CAD, graphic design, video editing, etc) have niche programs that are only available on Windows. Sucks but it if it is what you have to use to feed your family I won't stop you. Do you Linux guys legally purchase a Windows license to run on your VM? Sounds pretty stupid to me. Yes I do have a Windows 7 license. I also obey licenses such as the GPL, BSD, ect ect. If you don't we are only one computer step away from Larue Airsoft software. I bet the resources that I have allocated to my VM are more than your computer... I really only use Windows for very niche things and that might only be once a month (excluding my exploit box which I try to play with once a week or so. Quoted:
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it's not HRD that I'm after...but need a primary all-around PC that I can use with my Ham Gear. I'm tiring of the Netbook (small keys) and it's broken Audio Output so it's limited to what I'm willing/able to do with it. Looks like 7 will work for my needs....Frankly, I really like love the premise behind Linux-but I've not the time to learn it right now. Windows 7 is a good OS for what it is. I run it in a VM from time to time for the MCP2 and MCP4 programs because they are that good. This is where you Linux guys lose me. I ran Linux for years, and ran into this problem. Not worth the headache. I enjoy tinkering on stuff to get the best performance. That is why I enjoy carbs over fuel injection, I can use a screwdriver and get it just right. Yeah, Windows loads a crap load of stuff you never need/user. But, I'm not spending days trying to find the right library and whatever mess is required to run a simple program. Most mainstream Debian distros have a ton of precombiled packages available in the repos. That is why I recommend people start with something like Mint. With the apt package manger it grabs all of your libraries and dependencies when installing. Yum and pacman do this too. With today's computers, the extra crap that's loaded with Windows is perfectly fine with me. I run too many Windows platform only apps to sit there and run a VM session all the time. Yes some people (CAD, graphic design, video editing, etc) have niche programs that are only available on Windows. Sucks but it if it is what you have to use to feed your family I won't stop you. Do you Linux guys legally purchase a Windows license to run on your VM? Sounds pretty stupid to me. Yes I do have a Windows 7 license. I also obey licenses such as the GPL, BSD, ect ect. If you don't we are only one computer step away from Larue Airsoft software. I bet the resources that I have allocated to my VM are more than your computer... I really only use Windows for very niche things and that might only be once a month (excluding my exploit box which I try to play with once a week or so. So many have Slackware 5 stuck in their head and where Linux was 10 years ago. Todays distros are light years ahead of where they were two years ago. |
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Yes I do have a Windows 7 license. I also obey licenses such as the GPL, BSD, ect ect. If you don't we are only one computer step away from Larue Airsoft software. I bet the resources that I have allocated to my VM are more than your computer... I really only use Windows for very niche things and that might only be once a month (excluding my exploit box which I try to play with once a week or so. I'm not really sure what resources you need, but I'm currently running Visual Studio 2013, SQL Studio Management Tools,Photoshop CS5, Lightroom 5.3, HRD and a few others. What resources are we talking about exactly? Good luck running those apps via Linux. I'm not saying Linux doesn't have its purpose, as I ran Gentoo for years. But for a ham shack PC, I would never give that advice. |
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I'm not really sure what resources you need, but I'm currently running Visual Studio 2013, SQL Studio Management Tools,Photoshop CS5, Lightroom 5.3, HRD and a few others. What resources are we talking about exactly? Good luck running those apps via Linux. I'm not saying Linux doesn't have its purpose, as I ran Gentoo for years. But for a ham shack PC, I would never give that advice. Quoted:
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Yes I do have a Windows 7 license. I also obey licenses such as the GPL, BSD, ect ect. If you don't we are only one computer step away from Larue Airsoft software. I bet the resources that I have allocated to my VM are more than your computer... I really only use Windows for very niche things and that might only be once a month (excluding my exploit box which I try to play with once a week or so. I'm not really sure what resources you need, but I'm currently running Visual Studio 2013, SQL Studio Management Tools,Photoshop CS5, Lightroom 5.3, HRD and a few others. What resources are we talking about exactly? Good luck running those apps via Linux. I'm not saying Linux doesn't have its purpose, as I ran Gentoo for years. But for a ham shack PC, I would never give that advice. 4 3.2GHz Xeon cores, 8 GB of ram, 1GB video graphics. |
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Yes I do have a Windows 7 license. I also obey licenses such as the GPL, BSD, ect ect. If you don't we are only one computer step away from Larue Airsoft software. I bet the resources that I have allocated to my VM are more than your computer... I really only use Windows for very niche things and that might only be once a month (excluding my exploit box which I try to play with once a week or so. I'm not really sure what resources you need, but I'm currently running Visual Studio 2013, SQL Studio Management Tools,Photoshop CS5, Lightroom 5.3, HRD and a few others. What resources are we talking about exactly? Good luck running those apps via Linux. I'm not saying Linux doesn't have its purpose, as I ran Gentoo for years. But for a ham shack PC, I would never give that advice. 4 3.2GHz Xeon cores, 8 GB of ram, 1GB video graphics. i7 4770k 16GB ram, 6GB video ram (2 3GB cards in SLI) OK anyhow, Win7 should be great for a ham shack PC. |
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i7 4770k 16GB ram, 6GB video ram (2 3GB cards in SLI) OK anyhow, Win7 should be great for a ham shack PC. Quoted:
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Yes I do have a Windows 7 license. I also obey licenses such as the GPL, BSD, ect ect. If you don't we are only one computer step away from Larue Airsoft software. I bet the resources that I have allocated to my VM are more than your computer... I really only use Windows for very niche things and that might only be once a month (excluding my exploit box which I try to play with once a week or so. I'm not really sure what resources you need, but I'm currently running Visual Studio 2013, SQL Studio Management Tools,Photoshop CS5, Lightroom 5.3, HRD and a few others. What resources are we talking about exactly? Good luck running those apps via Linux. I'm not saying Linux doesn't have its purpose, as I ran Gentoo for years. But for a ham shack PC, I would never give that advice. 4 3.2GHz Xeon cores, 8 GB of ram, 1GB video graphics. i7 4770k 16GB ram, 6GB video ram (2 3GB cards in SLI) OK anyhow, Win7 should be great for a ham shack PC. I can crank it up but wont match the video graphics. 6GB is more than I plan on having for years haha. I think 7 will do good too. |