Posted: 12/29/2013 1:31:31 PM EDT
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I've been searching around for 14ga black MTW wire for my antenna and are having mixed results. It's either in 500ft spools or 20 lengths. Is there a HAM outlet that sells this stuff?
John |
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Home depot. Black 14ga 500ft spool UV/chemical resistant wire: $40 locally. Buy the 500ft spool and build a bunch of antennae and use it for grounds. I don't see a downside to having 500ft of wire.
Cut 140ft and put it in your go box. Cut yourself a 135ft OCFD for home, then whatever else you need. ETA: here's a link to what I'm using. |
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Home depot. Black 14ga 500ft spool UV/chemical resistant wire: $40 locally. Buy the 500ft spool and build a bunch of antennae and use it for grounds. I don't see a downside to having 500ft of wire. Cut 140ft and put it in your go box. Cut yourself a 135ft OCFD for home, then whatever else you need. Agreed 110%! You can order by the foot here. They have a 100' minimum. http://www.wireandsupply.com/product_p/mtw-14g.htm I bought a 500' spool on ebay for $60 a few weeks ago. (14 ga stranded MTW) But really, a 500' spool will just get you started. I keep extra wire, center and end insulators, and even extra coax already made up with PL-259s. If I have to cut it shorter, say, to make jumpers, then a PL-259 is already on one end. If it will be for a portable antenna, Field Day, special events, you want the easier to handle MTW for sure. If you will put it up and leave it, you might consider THHN, which is stiffer. Just be careful to not pull a kink into it when you are handling it. Get some help. It wants to coil back up. |
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I did this writeup for my mailing list, and I think I put it up here, too.
MTW (Machine Tool Wire)
http://www.distributorwire.com/blog/index.php/wire-cable-products/machine-tool-wire/ Machine Tool Wire, or most commonly referred to as MTW, is a stranded flexible hook up wire. MTW is used for the internal wiring of appliances including refrigeration equipment, automatic washers, air-conditioning equipment, control wiring for machine tools and in various other building applications. Although machine tool wire is qualified for many wiring applications it is a simply constructed wire that is made up of a highly stranded bare copper conductor. This high stranding of bare copper gives the wire its superior flexibility compared to that of THHN building wire. The bare copper conductor helps to keep the overall cost of the wire down as opposed to its sister Thermoplastic Equipment Wire, or TEW that is made with tinned copper conductors. The difference of bare copper vs. tinned copper gives the installer the option to choose depending on the application and personal preference of the individual. The tinning is to assist in the soldering process during installation and to help defend against corrosion. The jacket compound on MTW is usually a tough durable Polyvinylchloride (PVC). This compound allows the cable to be heat, moisture, and oil-resistant. Machine tool wire is available in a wide range of conductor sizes, but most commonly from 26awg all the way larger sizes like 2awg. It is typically rated for use up to 600/1000 volts and for temperatures up to 105 degrees Celsius in a dry location. TEW, is rated up to 105 degrees Celsius in a dry location. MTW is UL listed and CSA listed for TEW or AWM. UL gives MTW/TEW different style numbers from UL1007, UL1015, UL1032, UL1063 and others depending on voltage rating to temperature range. http://www.wireandsupply.com/product_p/mtw-12g.htm $0.19/ft Just not necessary for wire antennas. http://www.wireandsupply.com/product_p/mtw-14g.htm $0.16/ft Good all around for permanent wire antennas. http://www.wireandsupply.com/product_p/mtw-16g.htm $0.09/ft Good for portable wire antennas. http://www.wireandsupply.com/product_p/mtw-18g.htm $0.08/ft Good for portable wire antennas. THHN http://www.distributorwire.com/blog/index.php/wire-cable-products/thhn-xhhw/ Building wire is generally used to carry electrical current to all external uses of power in a building or dwelling. This product is utilized in the construction of almost every industrial, residential and commercial building. The most popular type is THHN building wire. THHN Wire stands for Thermoplastic High Heat-resistant Nylon coated. THHN can come in stranded or solid conductors depending on the size. It is either manufactured in copper or aluminum and covered in a PVC (polyvinyl chloride) insulation with a nylon jacket. THHN is UL listed with a rated 90 degrees Celsius in dry locations or 75 degrees Celsius in wet applications with a THWN rating. The vast majority of THHN building wire carries a dual rating on the cable marked THHN / THWN for both the wet and dry temperature rating. THHN building wire may also be used for wiring of machine tools, control circuits or on certain appliances. THHN building wire has several main distinctions compared to other building wire products. THHN uses a thinner PVC insulation which is a key factor in terms of its electrical properties. This thinner insulation can often lead to a current leakage and even a breakdown during chemical or environmental exposure. The PVC insulation in THHN also creates a toxic smoke when burned therefore making it undesireable in certain applications. THHN is not a very flexible product due to its nylon coating. This can often be a factor for many contractors or end users since there is usually a preference to use a product that saves energy and time during installation. However, THHN building wire has grown in popularity since it is a cost effective alternative compared to other types of building wire such as XHHW building wire. Despite some of its down falls, many users of THHN building wire have found this products to be sufficient for meeting their projects specifications. 500' roll of 14 ga stranded insulated THHN at Lowe's or Home Depot is about $45.00 per 500' roll or about $ 0.09/ft. |
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http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/cable/wire.html
Universal Radio sells Poly-Stealth wire by the foot. |
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I've had a little stretch, but not that much. I just took up a few inches on the ends and was back to where I was before.
I would imagine it would make less difference on shorter, and therefore lighter dipoles, 20 m, 40 m, and more on 80 or 160 m. Note that THHN also comes in aluminum. You do NOT want that. Copper only. Stranded is more flexible than solid. The reason THHN is stiffer than MTW is because THHN has fewer and larger strands. Solid would be stiffer yet. When unspooling wire, don't pull it off the side. Instead stick a dowel or something in the hole in the spool and walk it out, unreeling off the spool. This helps reduce the tendency to pull a kink. If it pulls a tight kink even if you undo it neatly, that will always be a weak spot. Try to not pull a kink in the first place. MTW has much less tendency to do this than THHN. The write up above, most of that is copy/paste from the suppliers' websites. Straight from the horse's mouth. |
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Lightning protection... no such thing. Lightning strikes and your gear is toast.
Disconnect the coax from your rig when not in use. For an OCFD, 4:1 current balun. For 80 m on up, in order to get use of 15 m, cut the wire 39' on one side, from balun to center of end insulator (allowing some extra on each end for doubling back and securing). Cut the other side 95'. See where the lowest SWR point in the 80 meter band is. You want it right at 3.5 mhz in order to get 40 meters about 7.1 mhz, and 20 meters about 14.2 mhz. If you have to shorten this OCFD, take twice as much off the long end as the short end. You can just start cutting, or you can calculate. The analyzer says resonance is at 3.470 mhz. You want to move it to 3.5 mhz. 3.47/3.5 x 39' side = 38.66' or 38' 8". So take 4" off the short side. 3.47/3.5 x 95' side = 94.19' or 94' 2". So take 10" off the long side. Check again, and your antenna should be right on your target freq. |
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Aluminum electric fence wire is cheap, easy to work with, non-corrosive and works great. If you goof something up, no sweat, cut another piece off the 1/4 mile spool.
Having seen some serious galvanic corrosion from exposed copper antenna items, I try to stick with non-corrosive antenna materials, or if I have to have copper I make sure it's completely protected from water contact. |
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I'll add that THHN wires clear coating doesn't hold up in the Arizona sun. I put up a commercial OCFD about 2 years ago that uses THHN and most of the clear jacket on the wire is gone. It doesn't affect the antenna tuning though. Same thing happened to my radial wires on the vertical. I started finding chunks of clearcoat everywhere in the yard after about 6 months. It does seem that the regular insulation holds up OK, it's just the clear parts that flake off. This wouldn't have happened if I'd buried the radials, but I'd need a backhoe or ditch witch to put radials in the ground out here. |