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11/6/2010 4:25:13 PM EDT
Did some simplex testing today on a pair of Yeasu FT-60R's

Conditions:
Clear blue sky
16 degrees Celsius
1.0 Kilometer flat line of sight no obstructions
Only needed to use 0.5 watts of power

Frequencies and operation:
2m no squelch
2m CTCSS
2m DCS

70cm no squelch
70cm CTCSS
70cm DCS

Results:
All 2m operations worked equally well
All 70cm operations worked equally well

Conclusions:
2m seemed to work a little bit better than 70cm, but not much.
These little radios kick arse! Very pleased with them I am!

Question:
Anyone know if no squelch, CTCSS, or DCS is better to use for simplex handitalki's? I could not tell today? I did notice that our AR15 SHTF 2m/70cm frequencies use CTCSS at 100Hz? Why is this?


11/6/2010 4:30:00 PM EDT
[#1]
One thing with 2m, especially in the PDX area, is it's really crowded. That would be a good reason to use CTCSS. You're going to have a lot of chatter during any "event" that'll break squelch but be unintelligible.
11/6/2010 4:36:38 PM EDT
[#2]
Good point, I am out here in eastern Oregon and Washington. Only chatter here comes from the chipmunks and squirrels.
11/6/2010 4:46:00 PM EDT
[#3]
Should've known when you said 1km flat line of sight

A really neat antenna for HT operations is the N9TAX Slim Jim. It's light, fits in a bag, and it really works well.
11/7/2010 6:23:16 AM EDT
[#4]
CTCSS and DCS are squelch codes they have no effect on range.

If you want to not be bothered with any other traffic on frequency, local noise etc, then use a squelch code.

If you want to hear other traffic/users on the frequency, then do not use a squelch code.
11/7/2010 7:41:35 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
CTCSS and DCS are squelch codes they have no effect on range.

If you want to not be bothered with any other traffic on frequency, local noise etc, then use a squelch code.

If you want to hear other traffic/users on the frequency, then do not use a squelch code.


Understood. Two questions:

1) Do you have a preference between using CTCSS (Analog) versus DCS (Digital)?
2) Could I not just push the MONI button on the side of the FT-60R to open up the squelch to listen for traffic before Tx?

I noticed that DCS has a 223 squelch code for the possible win...
11/7/2010 7:42:56 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Should've known when you said 1km flat line of sight

A really neat antenna for HT operations is the N9TAX Slim Jim. It's light, fits in a bag, and it really works well.


Thank you for the link, I have been thinking about making or getting one of these for the past couple of weeks.
11/7/2010 8:26:38 AM EDT
[#7]
as distance and range increase, and signals become marginal, I would expect CTCSS/DCS to adversely effect reception.

if an FM signal is down in the noise level, your ears may be able to pick up 80% of the speech.

sometimes 80% is enough to be understood.....atleast you hear something.

If the CTCSS encode/decode receive doesn't get a decent sub-tone, I expect it would block it from your receive

11/7/2010 7:11:14 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
...
Conclusions:
2m seemed to work a little bit better than 70cm, but not much.
These little radios kick arse! Very pleased with them I am!
...


When I first became a ham in 2006, I bought a FT60R.  Was a nice radio and I liked it.  Never really did use it a whole bunch as I wasn't very active.  However, I took it with me a few times while I traveled for work...and left it in a hotel somewhere...I think.  If I left it in a hotel in PA or SC I don't know.

I just try to forget it...but there seems to have been a lot of threads mentioning this radio lately.  
11/8/2010 10:03:01 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Should've known when you said 1km flat line of sight

A really neat antenna for HT operations is the N9TAX Slim Jim. It's light, fits in a bag, and it really works well.


This.  I keep it with me in my get home bag just in case.  It's so sensitive that it overloads my VX-8GR such that I have to run it with the attenuator on.
11/11/2010 7:53:13 PM EDT
[#11]
Without starting a new thread.

I want the ability for moar Tx range with my field bag FT-60R's.

My thoughts are on using a Mirage BD35 fighted with a cigarette lighter plug or alligator battery clamps for power and matching it up with that dual band 2m/70cm slim jim antenna mentioned in this thread earlier. Only concern is that I have read some mixed reviews on the Mirage BD35 amp. Any other amps come to mind or a different way to do this if I am thinking incorrectly?

Appreciate your thoughts, still pretty new at this stuff, but getting hooked.
11/11/2010 8:59:33 PM EDT
[#12]
I want the ability for moar Tx range with my field bag FT-60R's.

My thoughts are on using a Mirage BD35 fighted with a cigarette lighter plug or alligator battery clamps for power and matching it up with that dual band 2m/70cm slim jim antenna mentioned in this thread earlier. Only concern is that I have read some mixed reviews on the Mirage BD35 amp. Any other amps come to mind or a different way to do this if I am thinking incorrectly?


Both radios would have to have them to have a workable comm path. If one radio is the designated comm point back to a repeater or base station, then the other would not need one. If you need that much power, it is possible that one of the smaller single band mobiles paired with a battery might work better and be less expensive than an amp plus handheld.

I have considered getting  one of the Wouxan KG dual band HT's to use as a crossband repeater. Setting it up with a camoflaged pole/antenna and a sealed lead acid battery in a high location over our hunt AO might do the trick.

RS