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Originally Posted By IronKnight:
Finished up harvesting last week. Case IH 5230 http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q249/IronKnight_photos/57BAFA18-480B-4828-83EF-0B2CBA5BBD84.jpg http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q249/IronKnight_photos/C3913B32-85D3-414C-8713-39D1F185CDBE.jpg View Quote Love that one! Can you get a few pictures of the engine? Is it a 12 valve Cummins? |
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Originally Posted By 86HMMWV: Love that one! Can you get a few pictures of the engine? Is it a 12 valve Cummins? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 86HMMWV: Originally Posted By IronKnight: Finished up harvesting last week. Case IH 5230 http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q249/IronKnight_photos/57BAFA18-480B-4828-83EF-0B2CBA5BBD84.jpg http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q249/IronKnight_photos/C3913B32-85D3-414C-8713-39D1F185CDBE.jpg I was only able to open the hood a limited amount due to the loader. |
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Originally Posted By 86HMMWV: Thank you for the pictures! It has a 6BT (12 valve) Cummins. I'm very much a John Deere man, but I'd love to have a Case just for that engine. I'm 5.9L Cummins obsessed. Interesting fact: Case co-developed the B-series engine with Cummins, which is why you find them in their equipment. I've only ever operated one Cummins powered Case, and that was in an 1845C skidsteer with a 4BT. I have two of them in Dodge pickups: A '96 12 valve, and an '01 24 valve. http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc145/dieselpowrguy85/F99F5098-AF5A-40BD-AEC2-5DDF094D20CE-5640-000006C27D41870A_zps7a3eec7j.jpg http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc145/dieselpowrguy85/9715F998-13D5-48B7-B46A-ECFE929E05FA-6797-000008015E575116_zps0yjixnwr.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 86HMMWV: Originally Posted By IronKnight: Originally Posted By 86HMMWV: Originally Posted By IronKnight: Finished up harvesting last week. Case IH 5230 http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q249/IronKnight_photos/57BAFA18-480B-4828-83EF-0B2CBA5BBD84.jpg http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q249/IronKnight_photos/C3913B32-85D3-414C-8713-39D1F185CDBE.jpg I was only able to open the hood a limited amount due to the loader. http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q249/IronKnight_photos/FA55A2B5-A79F-4AC5-B2B2-5BD8DDBE2821_2.jpg http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q249/IronKnight_photos/C942D2BB-FFA0-4A1A-B96D-633B56BBD50D_1.jpg http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q249/IronKnight_photos/F8C5F5D0-A23B-4E28-A0ED-AEFB4BD4C069_1.jpg http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q249/IronKnight_photos/66CE107F-5044-4DBD-A962-279D8BC433DB_1.jpg http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q249/IronKnight_photos/A32B178A-E407-4FA3-A40F-34D7EDB65490.jpg Thank you for the pictures! It has a 6BT (12 valve) Cummins. I'm very much a John Deere man, but I'd love to have a Case just for that engine. I'm 5.9L Cummins obsessed. Interesting fact: Case co-developed the B-series engine with Cummins, which is why you find them in their equipment. I've only ever operated one Cummins powered Case, and that was in an 1845C skidsteer with a 4BT. I have two of them in Dodge pickups: A '96 12 valve, and an '01 24 valve. http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc145/dieselpowrguy85/F99F5098-AF5A-40BD-AEC2-5DDF094D20CE-5640-000006C27D41870A_zps7a3eec7j.jpg http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc145/dieselpowrguy85/9715F998-13D5-48B7-B46A-ECFE929E05FA-6797-000008015E575116_zps0yjixnwr.jpg No worries! Certainly learn something new everyday! I didn't realize how low quality they were until I hosted them on here. We have had red equipment mainly in the form of Farmall, IH, and now Case IH. In full disclosure the toys I get to play with belong to my dad and uncle for the family farm. The 5230 is his baby which has gotten some wear in the 20 years we have used it (purchased used). Its main uses are to run the auger and to push snow in the winter. ETA: It is a lot of fun to push snow and dirt around on. On longer runs I like to stand up as can only be done on cabless tractors. |
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Originally Posted By IronKnight:
No worries! Certainly learn something new everyday! I didn't realize how low quality they were until I hosted them on here. We have had red equipment mainly in the form of Farmall, IH, and now Case IH. In full disclosure the toys I get to play with belong to my dad and uncle for the family farm. The 5230 is his baby which has gotten some wear in the 20 years we have used it (purchased used). Its main uses are to run the auger and to push snow in the winter. ETA: It is a lot of fun to push snow and dirt around on. On longer runs I like to stand up as can only be done on cabless tractors. View Quote The pictures conveyed what they were meant to perfectly! When the whole Cummins/PowerStroke/Duramax debate comes up, a lot of people don't understand that the 5.9L (and 6.7L) is a medium duty diesel built to medium duty standards and was never intended for a pickup truck application. They're found in tractors, buses, combines, generators, yard tractors, loaders, skidders, stump grinders, pickups, and all kinds of other things. Can't say the same for the other two. If you were to pull that engine out of that tractor and unbolt all of the accessories (injection pump, intake horn, turbo, exhaust manifold, pulleys, etc.), you could bolt up the accessories for just about any other application and drop the engine in. That is just amazing to me. Thanks again for the pictures! |
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Originally Posted By TheDevilYouLove:
My resto project: this tractor was purchased brand new by a friend of my dad's in the 1970s. The original owner was a vet who lost a leg in the Battle of the Bulge. He used to drive this to my house on Sunday's and have coffee with my dad. After he died, my dad purchased this tractor from his widow. My dad passed in 2011 and I'm going to restore this baby. ETA: it's an International 140 serial num 41930 J. Yes, I have the hood. Took it off to make sure the valves weren't stuck (they weren't). I soaked the cylinders in Marvel Mystery Oil and the motor turns when I spin the flywheel with a tire iron, so far so good... http://<a href=http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a608/alphabrew/Mobile%20Uploads/CBFADCA7-543D-4E54-92B5-F1D1F79FDBC7_zpsibd55305.jpg</a>" /> View Quote Your 140 was manufactured in 1969 based on the S/N you gave... Mowed off our pastures and 2 hay fields today with the 806 and a rotary mower. The hay fields weren't worth going after with the haybine and baler. |
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Originally Posted By sitdwnandhngon:
I've been using a boom pole and chain hoist to load my truck all summer, saves my back a ton of grief. Also makes pressure washing day way better. http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u576/sitdwnandhngon/temporary_zpsmdcl12ib.jpg View Quote Totally awesome! Nice lift out of that boom. You have no idea how much I want one of those little 4x4 Kubotas. Those things are tough as nails. |
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Originally Posted By TheDevilYouLove:
Totally awesome! Nice lift out of that boom. You have no idea how much I want one of those little 4x4 Kubotas. Those things are tough as nails. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheDevilYouLove:
Originally Posted By sitdwnandhngon:
I've been using a boom pole and chain hoist to load my truck all summer, saves my back a ton of grief. Also makes pressure washing day way better. http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u576/sitdwnandhngon/temporary_zpsmdcl12ib.jpg Totally awesome! Nice lift out of that boom. You have no idea how much I want one of those little 4x4 Kubotas. Those things are tough as nails. Totally worth what I paid for it after doing the work to it that was required. Tearing the transmission apart was a bastard, but I'm glad I did, it doesn't make any noise and shifts super smooth. The thing is hilarious because it's so small it fill literally fit anywhere, but with the 4x4 and the locking diff you can also get it out of just about anywhere. I took it to my friends place and drove it around his land, lots of wet swampy property with tight trails, didn't skip a beat. I'm gonna skid out firewood for him when it freezes up a bit, even if we have to make more trips with smaller logs it should still work fine. I haven't even put fuel in it yet, it came with over 3/4 of a tank, it's sitting at about 1/4 right now, I've been using it all summer. |
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What model is it? Is that a 6000?
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Originally Posted By sitdwnandhngon:
I haven't even put fuel in it yet, it came with over 3/4 of a tank, it's sitting at about 1/4 right now, I've been using it all summer. View Quote since you are in NY, i would wait until winter diesel is available at the gas station, which should be around thanksgiving. winter diesel is "cut" with kerosene and won't gel up when the temperature drops down into the single digits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_diesel_fuel ar-jedi |
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Originally Posted By ar-jedi:
since you are in NY, i would wait until winter diesel is available at the gas station, which should be around thanksgiving. winter diesel is "cut" with kerosene and won't gel up when the temperature drops down into the single digits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_diesel_fuel ar-jedi View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ar-jedi:
Originally Posted By sitdwnandhngon:
I haven't even put fuel in it yet, it came with over 3/4 of a tank, it's sitting at about 1/4 right now, I've been using it all summer. since you are in NY, i would wait until winter diesel is available at the gas station, which should be around thanksgiving. winter diesel is "cut" with kerosene and won't gel up when the temperature drops down into the single digits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_diesel_fuel ar-jedi Good to know!! Thanks! I'm in Maryland but I'll heed this as well. |
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Originally Posted By TheDevilYouLove:
Good to know!! Thanks! I'm in Maryland but I'll heed this as well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheDevilYouLove:
Originally Posted By ar-jedi:
Originally Posted By sitdwnandhngon:
I haven't even put fuel in it yet, it came with over 3/4 of a tank, it's sitting at about 1/4 right now, I've been using it all summer. since you are in NY, i would wait until winter diesel is available at the gas station, which should be around thanksgiving. winter diesel is "cut" with kerosene and won't gel up when the temperature drops down into the single digits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_diesel_fuel Good to know!! Thanks! I'm in Maryland but I'll heed this as well. the alternative is to use summer diesel and add an anti-gelling product such as Power Service. http://powerservice.com/psp_product/diesel-fuel-supplement-cetane-boost/ Diesel Fuel Supplement +Cetane Boost is a winterizer/antigel that is used in the cold winter months to prevent fuel gelling and keep fuel-filters from plugging with ice and wax. When temperatures drop, paraffin (wax) in ULSD fuel will gel stopping fuel from flowing through the engine, and water in the fuel can freeze on the facings of fuel-filters, blocking fuel flow. This Arctic Formula provides trouble-free winter operation for diesel fuel. Diesel Fuel Supplement +Cetane Boost is intended for use only during cold winter months when temperatures drop below +30F. Use Diesel Kleen +Cetane Boost (in the silver bottle) for peak performance in non-winter months. If your vehicle will not start or gain power in cold temperatures, use Diesel 911 (in the red bottle). Benefits Prevents fuel gelling Protects against fuel-filter icing Boosts cetane for faster cold starts Contains Slickdiesel Lubricator to protect fuel pumps and injectors from increased wear caused by Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD) fuel Effective in all diesel fuels, including ULSD and biodiesel blends Does not contain alcohol of any kind Safe for use in all diesel engines Will not void engine manufacturer's warranty when used as directed ar-jedi |
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Originally Posted By sitdwnandhngon:
In my attempts to see just how much I can push this little machine, I hooked it up to my M101A2 today....with 2000 lbs of coal in it. It pulled it just fine, got a little light in the front end going up hill, I still need to get about 200 lbs worth of suitcase weights for the front and that would probably cure that. Things were going good until some idiot decided to try to take a shortcut across the garden, which was plowed up not too long ago, tractor and trailer sank out of sight, I had to shovel out some tire tunnels, lock the rear axle and give it some ass, got out though, didn't help that it's been raining for two days. http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u576/sitdwnandhngon/temporary_zpsxgndaayl.jpg http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u576/sitdwnandhngon/temporary_zpsjniqqkdp.jpg View Quote Man I gotta get me one of those |
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Originally Posted By TheDevilYouLove:
Taking down the trash in the scary dark! http://<a href=http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a608/alphabrew/Mobile%20Uploads/67A73D8E-4710-4F24-AD2B-44F8447E2174_zpshv65zcry.jpg</a>" /> View Quote I occasionally run mine down to the street like that. A while back I had two rooster bachelors that took to roosting on the three point hitch at night... they'd ride the 1/3rd of mile round trip with hardly a complaint. One fell off once - and sat there on the gravel until I got down and put him back on his roost. Odd fellows - shame the coyotes got them. |
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Originally Posted By TheDevilYouLove:
Trimming trees is a hell of a lot easier with a loader and basket http://<a href=http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a608/alphabrew/Mobile%20Uploads/6FFC23AF-04DD-42FA-BBFC-D856715EB040_zpswg0ehue7.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a608/alphabrew/Mobile%20Uploads/10E7E874-F16E-4EEE-80F3-D3F4D131F4C1_zps90a3xipz.jpg</a>" /> View Quote Where did you get that basket? When you use it, do you have someone at the controls and they lift/lower you or do you get it into place, then use a ladder to get into it and do the work? I'm a one man show here with my tractor, so everything has to be done by myself. Thanks, |
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Originally Posted By Merlin:
Where did you get that basket? When you use it, do you have someone at the controls and they lift/lower you or do you get it into place, then use a ladder to get into it and do the work? I'm a one man show here with my tractor, so everything has to be done by myself. Thanks, View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Merlin:
Originally Posted By TheDevilYouLove:
Trimming trees is a hell of a lot easier with a loader and basket http://<a href=http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a608/alphabrew/Mobile%20Uploads/6FFC23AF-04DD-42FA-BBFC-D856715EB040_zpswg0ehue7.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a608/alphabrew/Mobile%20Uploads/10E7E874-F16E-4EEE-80F3-D3F4D131F4C1_zps90a3xipz.jpg</a>" /> Where did you get that basket? When you use it, do you have someone at the controls and they lift/lower you or do you get it into place, then use a ladder to get into it and do the work? I'm a one man show here with my tractor, so everything has to be done by myself. Thanks, Basket was my dad's, he passed away. Don't know where he got it, I guess a farm auction. I'm a one man show so I climb up the loader bucket arms |
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Originally Posted By louisianarebel:
New to us but rode hard Mahindra 6000 http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j26/louisianarebel14/20151228_180340_zps9eqcyvmj.jpg http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j26/louisianarebel14/20151228_180311_zpssng56sxj.jpg Came with trailer for $4500 Tons of work ahead. View Quote Quite a beast! Congrats!! |
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Originally Posted By TheDevilYouLove:
Quite a beast! Congrats!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheDevilYouLove:
Originally Posted By louisianarebel:
New to us but rode hard Mahindra 6000 http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j26/louisianarebel14/20151228_180340_zps9eqcyvmj.jpg http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j26/louisianarebel14/20151228_180311_zpssng56sxj.jpg Came with trailer for $4500 Tons of work ahead. Quite a beast! Congrats!! This. Looks like it needs a bath and a bunch of fresh fluids.... but at that price, seems like a good deal. |
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Originally Posted By bigshooter81:
This. Looks like it needs a bath and a bunch of fresh fluids.... but at that price, seems like a good deal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigshooter81:
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Originally Posted By louisianarebel:
New to us but rode hard Mahindra 6000 http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j26/louisianarebel14/20151228_180340_zps9eqcyvmj.jpg http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j26/louisianarebel14/20151228_180311_zpssng56sxj.jpg Came with trailer for $4500 Tons of work ahead. Quite a beast! Congrats!! This. Looks like it needs a bath and a bunch of fresh fluids.... but at that price, seems like a good deal. Paint, gauges, cylinder, lights, grill. Tires look like hell on the other side. Guess we will see what else when I tear into it. |
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Originally Posted By sea2summit:
Been using Christmas break to execute the great stump eradication of 2015. New house, previous owner sold all the lumber and left the land to rot so I've been trying to put it back together since I moved in. About 200 stumps down, another 150-200 to go <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/sea2summit1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpswrnifnef.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c271/sea2summit1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpswrnifnef.jpeg</a> View Quote Looks like a war zone. |
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Originally Posted By louisianarebel:
Paint, gauges, cylinder, lights, grill. Tires look like hell on the other side. Guess we will see what else when I tear into it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By louisianarebel:
Originally Posted By bigshooter81:
Originally Posted By TheDevilYouLove:
Originally Posted By louisianarebel:
New to us but rode hard Mahindra 6000 http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j26/louisianarebel14/20151228_180340_zps9eqcyvmj.jpg http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j26/louisianarebel14/20151228_180311_zpssng56sxj.jpg Came with trailer for $4500 Tons of work ahead. Quite a beast! Congrats!! This. Looks like it needs a bath and a bunch of fresh fluids.... but at that price, seems like a good deal. Paint, gauges, cylinder, lights, grill. Tires look like hell on the other side. Guess we will see what else when I tear into it. What's the fair market value of the trailer? I'm thinking you'd have less than $1,000 in the tractor if you sold the trailer. How many hours are on it? |
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Originally Posted By bigshooter81:
Looks like a war zone. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigshooter81:
Originally Posted By sea2summit:
Been using Christmas break to execute the great stump eradication of 2015. New house, previous owner sold all the lumber and left the land to rot so I've been trying to put it back together since I moved in. About 200 stumps down, another 150-200 to go <a href="http://s29.photobucket.com/user/sea2summit1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpswrnifnef.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c271/sea2summit1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpswrnifnef.jpeg</a> Looks like a war zone. It is |
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Don't have any pics but used my tractor loader to scrape the top soil off the driveway to the house I'm building.
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Originally Posted By TheDevilYouLove:
At least tell us what kind of tractor View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheDevilYouLove:
Originally Posted By ColtRifle:
Don't have any pics but used my tractor loader to scrape the top soil off the driveway to the house I'm building. At least tell us what kind of tractor oh, right, the guy who makes snarky comments with -- yet again -- nothing to show for it! http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_19/681719_Show_me_what_you_used_your_tractor_for_today__pic_thread_.html&page=2#i11669726 ar-jedi |
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Originally Posted By HKH:
Did some grappling and cleared up a lot of tree tops that I pushed in the woods after last years ice storm. <a href="http://s109.photobucket.com/user/trip157/media/20151231_100806_zpsrmsprwus.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n45/trip157/20151231_100806_zpsrmsprwus.jpg</a> View Quote EA grapple? Which one? |
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Originally Posted By sea2summit:
EA grapple? Which one? View Quote Sadly, I elected not to spend that much on a grapple. If I had a 50+ horse tractor, I would have, but my machine limits what I can lift anyway. No need for the overbuilt/overkill of EA on this one. Instead of an HK, I bought a Glock |
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Originally Posted By HKH:
Did some grappling and cleared up a lot of tree tops that I pushed in the woods after last years ice storm. <a href="http://s109.photobucket.com/user/trip157/media/20151231_100806_zpsrmsprwus.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n45/trip157/20151231_100806_zpsrmsprwus.jpg</a> View Quote Curious to know how much that bucket weighs.... looks like there's a good amount of steel on it. |
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Originally Posted By IH1026:
Curious to know how much that bucket weighs.... looks like there's a good amount of steel on it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By IH1026:
Originally Posted By HKH:
Did some grappling and cleared up a lot of tree tops that I pushed in the woods after last years ice storm. <a href="http://s109.photobucket.com/user/trip157/media/20151231_100806_zpsrmsprwus.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n45/trip157/20151231_100806_zpsrmsprwus.jpg</a> Curious to know how much that bucket weighs.... looks like there's a good amount of steel on it. It's a sixty inch and weighs 450 lbs. my bucket that came on the tractor weighs about 315 I think. |
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Originally Posted By ar-jedi:
oh, right, the guy who makes snarky comments with -- yet again -- nothing to show for it! http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_19/681719_Show_me_what_you_used_your_tractor_for_today__pic_thread_.html&page=2#i11669726 ar-jedi View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ar-jedi:
Originally Posted By TheDevilYouLove:
Originally Posted By ColtRifle:
Don't have any pics but used my tractor loader to scrape the top soil off the driveway to the house I'm building. At least tell us what kind of tractor oh, right, the guy who makes snarky comments with -- yet again -- nothing to show for it! http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_19/681719_Show_me_what_you_used_your_tractor_for_today__pic_thread_.html&page=2#i11669726 ar-jedi |
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Originally Posted By TheDevilYouLove:
At least tell us what kind of tractor View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheDevilYouLove:
Originally Posted By ColtRifle:
Don't have any pics but used my tractor loader to scrape the top soil off the driveway to the house I'm building. At least tell us what kind of tractor Kubota L2350DT |
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Originally Posted By HKH:
It's a sixty inch and weighs 450 lbs. my bucket that came on the tractor weighs about 315 I think. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HKH:
Originally Posted By IH1026:
Originally Posted By HKH:
Did some grappling and cleared up a lot of tree tops that I pushed in the woods after last years ice storm. <a href="http://s109.photobucket.com/user/trip157/media/20151231_100806_zpsrmsprwus.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n45/trip157/20151231_100806_zpsrmsprwus.jpg</a> Curious to know how much that bucket weighs.... looks like there's a good amount of steel on it. It's a sixty inch and weighs 450 lbs. my bucket that came on the tractor weighs about 315 I think. Thank you for the reply.... post some pictures of this bucket in action!! |
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Bump. I wanna see some tractors. Who's been putting on snow chains, snow plows, PTO snow blowers, etc. this week? Who's got the best snow set up for their rig?
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