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4/30/2009 5:19:51 PM EDT
So I've been salivating over planting some citrus.  To give a little background, I recently bought 4.6 acres (3.6 is planted pine) with a trailer on it.  I'm leasing the land back to the lady I bought the land from until I leave the Air Force (at least 8 years from now).  She agreed to keep some plants watered for me, so I planted two each of three cultivars of blueberries (Woodard, Premier, and Climax), 2 peach trees, 2 cultivars of pears, a plum tree, a persimmon tree, a pawpaw tree and a fig tree.  I also pot-planted in 1/2 whiskey barrels 2 Granny Smith apple trees,  and a different cultivar of peach.

Now, based upon all of that, my goal is to have at least some spread in when stuff comes into season.

Cultivar                         # of treesfruit      season              location
Blueberry (Woodard)         2                  Late May                BOL
Blueberry (Premier)            2                  Late May                BOL
Blueberry (Climax)              2                  Late May                BOL
Peach (Georgia Belle)        2                  Late July                 BOL
Brown turkey fig                1        Continuous if picked         BOL
Killefer pear                        2         Mid-Sep to Mid-Oct          BOL
Pawpaw                             1                 Sep to Oct               BOL
Methley plum                       1                 Late June                BOL
Black ruby plum                  1                 Early Aug                BOL
Persimmon                          1                 Late Oct to Dec       BOL
White princess peach        1                   Mid Aug                Mom's (bucket)
Granny smith apple            2                  Late Oct                Mom's (bucket)

Planned
Satsuma orange               2                     Late Oct                Mom's
Improved Meyers Lemon  1                      Year round        Buddy's compound near BOL
Kumquats                         1            Nov to Spring                  Mom's

http://www.mckenzie-farms.com/photo.htm

At some point in the future I want to plant some more exotic stuff, like quinces, loquats, and pomegranates.  http://www.aaronsfarm.com/category/Fruit+Trees

4/30/2009 6:36:02 PM EDT
[#1]
Hey there fellow SCinian!  you're mighty thin from july to October - add some red june apples, yellow june apples, and pristine apples.  And don't let anyone from our extension service try to convince you that you can't grow them   you can.
4/30/2009 6:38:26 PM EDT
[#2]
Sounds like a great variety.  I've got about 9 blueberry plants, 4 citrus, 2 persimmon, 1 fig and a dwarf pomegranite right now.  I'm ready for more but my wife don't want to rush.  The reason being that our citrus didnt' do so well with the freezes this year.

So my question is how are the citrus trees going to do in the winter without being covered?
5/1/2009 10:22:02 AM EDT
[#3]
Well, they were out of lemons.  Today, I bought 3 Satsumas, a pineapple guava, and a loquat.
5/1/2009 6:50:56 PM EDT
[#4]
Sorry to say your citrus will die unless it's protected in some way from freezing
5/2/2009 3:41:36 AM EDT
[#5]
My understanding is that citrus can freeze, it just can't hard freeze.
5/2/2009 7:35:17 PM EDT
[#6]
Too cold up there in SC for citrus, now you can grow in containers and bring them in when temps drop, but otherwise you're sol. Hell, north Fla is too cold usually.
5/3/2009 4:08:07 PM EDT
[#7]
Even in southern AZ we bring the potted dwarf lime in for the winter.  Good luck.  I'd invest in portable, collapsable, frost tents for the smaller trees.
5/4/2009 5:20:05 AM EDT
[#8]
You might try blackberries.  If you can find it, the "Humble" variety is excellent.
5/4/2009 5:49:08 AM EDT
[#9]
No Asian pears (stick with Shinko) and no Asian Dates?  (Sherwood Jujube) ???
5/4/2009 6:32:25 AM EDT
[#10]
Like the others have mentioned even here in Central Florida we had a couple hard freezes this year.  We had temps of about 27 a couple times which would be enough to kill off the citrus uncovered.  Mine were covered and I'm not sure they'll recover.
5/4/2009 8:25:05 AM EDT
[#11]
Satsumas are one of the hardier oranges... I'm definitely concerned about the cold.  My land is relatively close to the coast (about 10 miles inland) so very very few days get below 20... if any.
5/9/2009 6:23:22 PM EDT
[#12]
The blueberry bushes, even though I just put them in this year, are LOADED!

The fig tree is really taking off, as is the pawpaw and the replacement persimmon. (Original persimmon never bloomed from its twig.)  Oh, how nice it'll be to have full grown fruit trees in 8 years when I move back!
5/14/2009 3:04:27 AM EDT
[#13]
OK, so I found another source in SC for fruit... Now its just a matter of deciding which ones I want.  They're more expensive than McKenzie Farms (significantly so) but they have other stuff in stock whereas McKenzie farms is out of stock on a lot of stuff.

Right now, I'm leaning towards a Bloomsweet Grapefruit, a Meiwa Kumquat, and a Meyer lemon.  The Meiwa and Bloomsweet will probably go in the ground, while I'll bucket plant the Lemon.  I'm trying to decide between a Nippon Orangequat, a Thomasville Citrangequat, and a Yuzuquat (or should I get "get both" and get two out of three?)

http://www.plantfolks.com/preview/sitebuilder/Plantfolks/CitrusAvailability.html
5/14/2009 8:46:04 AM EDT
[#14]
From their website... copying here because the website is blocked on .mil computers...

Cold hardiness.  Temperatures given here pertain to brief cold spells of a few hours or less, which is typical for
freezes in many areas of the Southeast. They provide a general idea of what you might expect during normal
freeze events.  In the past, we have occasionally experienced freezes much colder, and/or that last much longer
than normal, though recently the trend locally has been towards warmer winters.  It should also be noted that,
prolonged cold, even when the temperature does not reached the "hardy to" level, can still injure or kill a tree.  
Also, under certain conditions, the actual temperature of the plant may be considerable colder than the air just a
few feet above the leaves.  Likewise, sudden freezes, when a tree has not been exposed to the conditions
required to cause it to become fully dormant, can cause severe damage.  So you can see that even though the
"hardy to" temperature is never reached your plant can experience cold damage.  Many other factors play a part
in a tree's ability to withstand freezing temperatures, factors such as age of the tree, variety, health of the tree,
location, etc..  In other words, "hardy to" temperatures are only estimates, and depend on many variables, some
of which are not fully understood.

Conversely, gradually cooling temperatures can cause a tree to develop more cold resistance than one might
normally expect.  For example, a given tree in Charleston, SC, would,  generally speaking, be better able to
withstand a dip to 20º  than one in Orlando, Florida, where it is not likely to have been exposed to the same
gradually cooling temperatures prior to the freeze.  Of course, you would be more likely to see such a dip, and
lower, in Charleston!  A number of individual citrus trees have been found, outside of traditional citrus growing
region, that seem to defy conventional wisdom concerning cold hardiness.  The gradual drop in temperatures
plays a big part in this increased hardiness, but other factors may play a part as well.  We are propagating a few
of the more promising of these and are always on the lookout for others.
Citrus Prices:  The prices here are apply to most of our citrus, with a few exceptions.  

Grafted trees in #3 pots - $35.00, #7 pots $55.00, and #10 pots - $75.00.
Trees on their own roots:  #1 pots - $15.00  (Meyer Lemon,  Harvey Lemon, Calamondin Orange)
Rootstock and seedlings in citrapots or #1 nursery pots  $6.00

Click on highlighted links for a description and pictures at the University of California Riverside's Citrus Variety
Collection or at the University of Florida's Horticultural Sciences Department

Calamondin Orange  - An ornamental citrus bearing fragrant flowers, and a small edible
orange fruit, with tart flesh, and an edible skin.  Unless damaged by cold, the colorful fruit will
hang on the tree for 8 months.  Calamondin fruit makes great citrus marmalade, and is
sometimes used in ades, and garnishes.  Hardy to 18° F. or less

Calamondin Orange, Variegated - Same as above but with variegated leaves and fruit.
Currently out.

Grapefruit, Bloomsweet - (Citrus obovoidea) Also known as Kinkoji in Japan.  Large yellow
grapefruit-like fruit, but without the bitterness typical of grapefruit.  Excellent quality.  
Believed to be hardy to less than 15° F.

Grapefruit,  Golden -  A very unique grapefruit with a sweet, juicy, golden-amber flesh.  
Golden Grapefruit is similar to Duncan grapefruit, because of it's high quality, and the fact
that both are seedy.  Most find that the taste of either makes dealing with the seed worth the
extra effort.

Grapefruit, Marsh -  Evergreen citrus bearing large, sweet, white fleshed grapefruit, that
ripen in November.   Marsh Grapefruit is one of the more cold hardy grapefruit, but, like all
citrus, must be protected during severe freezes, especially when young.  Hardy to about 20°
F.

Grapefruit, Pink (Croxton) - Evergreen citrus bearing large, sweet, pink fleshed grapefruit,
that ripen in November. This is a clone of pink grapefruit from a fruiting seedling that has
survived temperatures well below 20° F.

Grapefruit, Ruby Red -  Large, sweet, grapefruit with deep pink flesh. Ripens in November.

Grapefruit, Sanbokan (Citrus sulcata) -  (Sometimes referred to as Sanbokan Lemon.)  
Evergreen citrus growing 10-15‘ tall.  Bears yellow, tangerine like fruits, with a short neck,
and a unique, sweet lemon taste.   Makes an interesting, edible landscape plant where
hardy.   I also have one that has been doing well as a container plant. Hardy to around 15
degrees F.

Ujukitsu - Similiar to the Sanbokan above but ripens earlier in the season.

Kumquat, Changshou - Small evergreen citrus bearing small sour fruit, with an edible
peel.  Changshou ripens in early November in zone 9.  The fruit looks and tastes a lot like
Calamondin, but is slightly less tart (a little sweeter), and has a somewhat more tender peel.  
Fruit is also ornamental, and makes great marmalade.  Ripens October - November. Hardy
to about 18° F.

Kumquat, Nagami  -  Small to medium, evergreen tree, with dark green leaves and small,
oval, orange fruits, that have an edible skin and tart flesh.  Fruits are very decorative and
hold well on the tree. They can be eaten fresh, used in marmalade, and are sometimes
pickled.  Excellent container plant.  Makes an interesting landscape plant where hardy.  Cold
hardy to 15 degrees F or below.

Kumquat, Meiwa - Tree is similar to Nagami in shape and size, but the fruits are round, and
sweeter, lacking some of the tart flesh of Nagami.   In my opinion Nagami is the more
decorative of the two, and Meiwa better tasting, though both make attractive plants.  Cold
hardy to 15°  F.

Lime, Key -  (Citrus aurantifolia) -  a.k.a. Mexican Lime, West Indian Lime, Bartender's
Lime.  This is the lime that is used in the famous Key Lime Pie, and to flavor drinks.  Small,
evergreen, tropical shrub, with many tiny thorns and dark green leaves.  The fruit should
need no description.  This plant will take very little cold, and, in non-tropical areas should be
grown in a container, so that it can be moved to a frost free area when necessary, or
otherwise protected from the cold.  True to it's tropical nature,it does best where there are
long hot summers.  Hardy to 30° F.  No Key limes but have Mexican Limes listed below.

Lime,  Mexican Thornless -  This is a key lime, without thorns, everything that applies to a
key lime, applies here. 3 gallon nursery pots.

Lime, Persian 3 gallon nursery pots

Limequat, Eustis -  A cross between the Mexican, or Key lime, and Meiwa kumquat.  Very
lime-like in size and taste.  Not quite the quality of a key lime, but makes a good lime
substitute, and is much hardier.  20°F or a little less.  Currently out.

Lemon, Meyer - Large,  tasty lemons on a small to medium tree.   Thought to be a cross
between a lemon and orange, Meyer lemon is larger and sweeter than the typical
commercial lemon.  Many lemon lovers find it better than commercial types.  Can be used
like a lemon, but I understand the zest is not lemon-like. Hardy to about 20° F., or slightly
lower.  I have one in the ground 7 or 8 years.  It has been slightly damaged by cold a time or
two, but bounces right back. Available in #3 and #10 sizes.

Lemon, Harvey - A typical lemon in shape and taste, Harvey has been found to be much
more cold hardy than commercial varieties, and is said to be as hardy as an orange.
Available in one and 3 gallon pots.

Lemon, Ponderosa (3 gallon only)

Lemon, Variegated Dwarf Currently out.

Lemonquat, Marmaladequat -  A gift from a friend, the exact parentage of this citrus is not
know for sure, but the best guess seems to be Kumquat x Clementine.   Makes a lemon-
color/size fruit that is somewhat seedy, with a taste that could be described as mildly tart
lemon, with a hint of mandarin.  This can be a pretty good lemon substitute, and is reported
to make outstanding marmalade, thus the name Marmaladequat. I have seen reports that it
is hardy to 15° f., or less.  This would seem to be about right, assuming the kumquat x
Clementine parentage.

Mandarin, Changsha -  Medium size citrus tree bearing small to medium, seedy fruit.  The
claim to fame for Changsha is that it is more hardy than Satsuma, which it resembles in some
aspects.  The fruit is very seedy, and is not the high quality you would get with Satsuma,
though there are cultivars that taste pretty good considering it's ability to tolerate the cold.  
Makes a very attractive landscape plant, especially when in fruit.  Hardy to around 15° F

Mandarin, Ponkan (3 gallon)

Mandarin, Satsuma - Because of it's hardiness, growth habit, and eating qualities, this is
the most widely grown hardy citrus. Satsumas are small evergreen trees, bearing high
quality fruit that ripens in fall.  The fruit is sweet, easily to peel, and almost seedless.  A
number of cultivars exist, with the primary difference being the time of year that the fruit
ripens.  Most ripen between October 1 - November 15. The fruit is edible before turning
orange, though they are somewhat tart at this stage.   Satsumas are considered the best
tasting cold hardy citrus by most citrus enthusiasts.  Mature Satsumas can be expected to
handle brief dips to about 18° but young trees should be protected below 25. Individual trees
have been known to survive dips to 15° F and below. We have the varieties Owari, Brown's
Select, LA Early, and Early Saint Anne and Dwarf Brown's Select.  Available in various sizes.

Nippon Orangequat - A cross between Meiwa Kumquat and Satsuma Mandarin.  Produces
a large egg size fruit, which also is egg-like in shape.  The interior is an intense orange color
inside and has a tart orange taste.  Like it's kumquat parent, the skin is edible and the
leaves are slender and pointed.  Good tart fruit eaten out of hand and makes an excellent
marmalade and drink.  Hardy to 10° f.

Orange, Washington Naval - Large, sweet fruit that ripens in November. Available in 3
gallon nursery pots.

Orange, Navel, Washington (Dwarf) (3 gallon) Same as above but of dwarfing rootstock.

Orange, Hamlin (Louisiana Sweet) - Early ripening orange that is considered to be one of
the hardier, if not the hardiest,  sweet orange.   Hamlin has been around for many years,
having stood the test of time.  It is good eating, and an excellent juice orange, having few
seeds.  Hamlin stores well on the tree after ripening, unless freezing weather threatens the
fruit.  Hardy to 20° F, or less, in cool winter areas.  Available in 3 gallon nursery pots.

Orange, Ambersweet - Large, high-quality orange.  Ambersweet is a hybrid of tangerine,  
grapefruit, and sweet orange   It looks much like a naval orange in shape, right down to
having the characteristic "naval".   Hardy to 20° F or lower.  Available in 3 gallon and 10
gallon pots.

Orange, Blood - Sweet orange with deep red flesh.  Available in 3 gallon nursery pots.

Procimequat - (Hongkong kumquat  x  Eustis Limequat)  This is a small tree bearing
tiny, marble size fruit, that are yellow when ripe.  Its dark green foliage, early and prolific
bearing habit,  and fruit that hangs on the tree for a long period after ripening, Produces
edible fruit, but the fruit is so small, and has such large seed relative to it's size, that it should
be considered and ornamental only.  Procimequat  makes a choice ornamental in-ground
where hardy.  It is also a good choice for containers, and should make a very interesting
bonsai.  Interestingly, procimequats will bear fruit one year from seed. There is a
procimequate in the ground in Aiken, South Carolina, which is in hardiness zone 8. Hardy to
15F.

Poncirus trifoliata (Trifoliate Orange, Hardy Orange) - Rounded, bushy, deciduous shrub,
or small tree, growing to 15 feet tall.  Has long sharp spines and bears a golf ball size,
inedible, orange-like fruit.  Trifoliate Orange was once used an impenetrable barrier to
contain livestock, and, as a result, has naturalized in many areas of the Southeast.  Often
used as a hardy, dwarfing, rootstock for citrus, it has also used in developing hybrids, Many
of which are also used as rootstock.  Let no one fool you, you cannot put enough sugar on
this fruit, or in its juice, to make it taste good!  I have heard that goats will eat them, which, if
so,  gives new meaning to the idea that goats will eat anything!  I am also told that hogs will
eat them, but I remember, from my youth, that hogs love to fill up on acorns, which never
seemed to give them the slightest belly ache.  Reported to be hardy to zone 6. We normally
have these available in #1 nursery containers,  or 4" x 4" x 14" pots.

Poncirus trifoliata - ‘Flying Dragon’  A cultivar of Trifoliate Orange.  Rounded, bushy,
deciduous shrub, or small tree, growing to 6-10 feet.  Flying Dragon has interesting, twisted
stems, and long sharp spurs (a sort of Harry Lauder's Walkingstick of the citrus world), small
white, fragrant flowers in spring, and an inedible, orange-like fruit, that ripens in fall.  
Sometimes used as a container plant, it looks to me like it is a good candidate for bonsai.  
Primarily used as a hardy, dwarfing, rootstock.  We normally have these available in #1
nursery pots.

Taichang Lemon - (Citrus ichangensis x C. Taiwanica) -  Lemon colored fruit, that otherwise
resembles a small mandarin.  Useful as a lemon substitute, it makes an interesting
landscape plant, with it’s colorful yellow fruit, and unique weeping, evergreen foliage.  The
taste is sour, but less tart, and sweeter than a regular lemon. Hardy to about 10° F, maybe
less, given it's parentage.  A few available in large containers.

Tangelo, Orlando - A cross between Duncan grapefruit and Dancy Tangerine.   The ones I
know are comparatively small trees.  Bears rich flavored, orange-like fruit, which ripen
November - December in zone 8.  Can be seedy fairly when planted with pollinators. Thought
to be almost as hardy as a Satsuma mandarin. Said to need a pollinator. Hardy to about 18°
F. Available in #3 nursery pots.

Tangerine, Juanita - (Citrus reticulata) Sweet, tasty tangerine.  Juanita tangerine was
grown from a seed planted by the family of Juanita Barrineau of Barrineau, SC.  The fruit
and tree resemble Ponkan tangerine but has proven to be more cold hardy.  IMature plants
have withstood a low of 13° F. and reportedly lower. Limited number available in 3 gallon
pots.

Thomasville Hardy Orange (Citrangequat) - A hybrid citrus developed in the early
1900's.  Thomasville is the best of the citrangegquats,  At least one mature tree is known to
have survived a low of less than 5 degrees, but young plants must be protected from severe
cold until mature. Thomasville does fine on its own roots, and seedlings will begin fruiting
after the 4th - 6th years, though a seedling tree will be much more thorny than a grafted one.

Yuzu Lemon - Citrus Ichangensis x citrus reticulata - An upright, evergreen citrus from
Japan, where it is used in cooking, and where it has become part of the Japanese culture.  
Bears sour, yellow, lemon-like (in taste) citrus that is similar physically to a mandarin.  Has an
easily peeled skin and easily separated segments.   The skin is considered edible, but only
as a condiment used in Japanese recipes.  Lately it has become increasingly popular for
flavoring foods in the USA.  Though I have not tried it, it is said to make a good marmalade.T
Yuzu is very hardy, having survive temperatures below 10° F.  

Yuzuquat -  A hybrid between Yuzu Lemon and Nagami kumquat.  Sour lemon-like fruit that
is about 2/3 the size of a commercial lemon.  The fruit is seedy, but has a pretty good lemon
flavor, and is very hardy.  It can be eaten eat out of hand, used like a lemon, and makes a
delicious marmalade.  Yuzuquat makes a handsome container, or landscape plant, with it's
dark green foliage and showy yellow fruit.  Hardy to about 10° F
5/17/2009 7:04:31 PM EDT
[#15]
So I wound up buying a Croxton Grapefruit, a Meiwa Kumquat, a Meyers Lemon, and a pomegranate tree this weekend.  I think thats about it for me.  I now have various small fruit trees planted at my place, 6 blueberry bushes, and 5 fruit trees in pots and half-whiskey barrels at my parents'.