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11/9/2007 4:37:54 PM EDT
I just pressure canned 24 quarts of beef stew.  I left 1 inch of head space as the ball blue book said.  Every load had some stew (broth) in the water.  I removed the air bubles from the jars as it said.

I have 1/3 that are down 2 inches and look like alot of the broth is gone. There will be 3-4 that will not seal,  one is already in the frig, as I am out of time tonight.

1.5 hours correct
10 psi correct
1 inch head space correct

WTF did I do wrong?

Thanks,

Bob
11/9/2007 9:30:04 PM EDT
[#1]
   Did you preheat the lids and tighten the bands finger tight before putting them in
the canner?   Were the lids and jars brand new?   Jarden(Ball) told me that I should use fresh lids
every year when I asked them how long they would store.  Were they kept constantly cool and
away from sunlight?
11/10/2007 12:31:23 AM EDT
[#2]
Yes to both.  New jars, liuds and rings finger tight.  Thanks for the reply.  Any other suggestions?
11/10/2007 2:48:22 AM EDT
[#3]
How did you decompress the pressure canner?

If you get impatient and decide to vent the canner a little, the contents of the jars can boil over.  What the canning water looks like is a good clue here.  If you do get boil over, food particles on the rim can prevent a good seal.
11/10/2007 5:55:11 AM EDT
[#4]
Did you wipe the rims before putting the caps on?
11/10/2007 6:19:59 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
How did you decompress the pressure canner?

If you get impatient and decide to vent the canner a little, the contents of the jars can boil over.  What the canning water looks like is a good clue here.  If you do get boil over, food particles on the rim can prevent a good seal.


Let cool on its own.
11/10/2007 6:20:57 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Did you wipe the rims before putting the caps on?


Yes everyone of them.  Guys I am at a loss.  Do I need more than 1 inch head space?  How much space can you have and not let it spoil?


Thanks Bob
11/10/2007 8:15:52 AM EDT
[#7]
Boy, I don't know....seems everything went right.  Have you had your gauge checked?  
11/10/2007 10:02:05 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Boy, I don't know....seems everything went right.  Have you had your gauge checked?  


It is a mirro that uses 5,10 and 15lb gigglers (weights).  I used the correct weight also.  Maybe I jiggled it too much? (too much heat)
11/10/2007 12:17:56 PM EDT
[#9]
Could be, what did you have it on?  I canned yesterday and needed to turn the heat to med-low.  Are you going to re can them?
11/10/2007 3:47:38 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Could be, what did you have it on?  I canned yesterday and needed to turn the heat to med-low.  Are you going to re can them?


The non sealed are in the frig to be fed to my employees Sunday
11/10/2007 4:50:30 PM EDT
[#11]
From experience useing the Mirro canner with jiggle weight.
If you let the pressure build to high (the weight jiggles more than 2 to 4 times a minute) then this will happen. I have done it while canning green beans, weight jiggles 6 or so times a minute, contents (liquid) boils out.
Bring the canner up to pressure, adjust the heat so that the weight jiggles 2 or 3 times a minute, you have to play with it several times but you get to know what setting the range needs to be on to obtain the proper heat.
My 02 worth.
11/10/2007 5:38:28 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
From experience useing the Mirro canner with jiggle weight.
If you let the pressure build to high (the weight jiggles more than 2 to 4 times a minute) then this will happen. I have done it while canning green beans, weight jiggles 6 or so times a minute, contents (liquid) boils out.
Bring the canner up to pressure, adjust the heat so that the weight jiggles 2 or 3 times a minute, you have to play with it several times but you get to know what setting the range needs to be on to obtain the proper heat.
My 02 worth.


I've had that happen as well with my All American.....and also with green beans. I suspect that's what happened.

Just curious on one thing though........odontia, did you let the canner cool completely with the weight on? If so, you can set up a pretty good vacuum in the canner and that can fubar seals, though it doesn't usually blow contents out of the jars.

11/11/2007 6:46:13 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
From experience useing the Mirro canner with jiggle weight.
If you let the pressure build to high (the weight jiggles more than 2 to 4 times a minute) then this will happen. I have done it while canning green beans, weight jiggles 6 or so times a minute, contents (liquid) boils out.
Bring the canner up to pressure, adjust the heat so that the weight jiggles 2 or 3 times a minute, you have to play with it several times but you get to know what setting the range needs to be on to obtain the proper heat.
My 02 worth.


I've had that happen as well with my All American.....and also with green beans. I suspect that's what happened.

Just curious on one thing though........odontia, did you let the canner cool completely with the weight on? If so, you can set up a pretty good vacuum in the canner and that can fubar seals, though it doesn't usually blow contents out of the jars.



I goofed up my first batch of garden tomatos-  I pulled the jiggler with just 2 pounds of pressure indicated on the dial gage on my all american.  

So much for figuring close is good enough.  Every jar boiled over at the drop in pressure.  I had to reprocess.  I waited 5 min after the needle dropped to the peg the second time!!! (and all was right with the world)
11/11/2007 9:00:32 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
From experience useing the Mirro canner with jiggle weight.
If you let the pressure build to high (the weight jiggles more than 2 to 4 times a minute) then this will happen. I have done it while canning green beans, weight jiggles 6 or so times a minute, contents (liquid) boils out.
Bring the canner up to pressure, adjust the heat so that the weight jiggles 2 or 3 times a minute, you have to play with it several times but you get to know what setting the range needs to be on to obtain the proper heat.
My 02 worth.


I've had that happen as well with my All American.....and also with green beans. I suspect that's what happened.

Just curious on one thing though........odontia, did you let the canner cool completely with the weight on? If so, you can set up a pretty good vacuum in the canner and that can fubar seals, though it doesn't usually blow contents out of the jars.



Shit, guilty as charged.  I had it out sidde on a burner and the wind was kicking up.  I had it too hot.

Thanks guys

Bob
11/11/2007 10:58:05 AM EDT
[#15]
are you going to post pics of your abortion stew?
11/11/2007 4:25:41 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
are you going to post pics of your abortion stew?


Naa I have dial up.  That was a good one, nearly spit my drink out.  Thanks for the help everyone.

Bob
11/12/2007 4:11:19 AM EDT
[#17]
 you're a good sport.
11/17/2007 4:44:10 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
From experience useing the Mirro canner with jiggle weight.
If you let the pressure build to high (the weight jiggles more than 2 to 4 times a minute) then this will happen. I have done it while canning green beans, weight jiggles 6 or so times a minute, contents (liquid) boils out.
Bring the canner up to pressure, adjust the heat so that the weight jiggles 2 or 3 times a minute, you have to play with it several times but you get to know what setting the range needs to be on to obtain the proper heat.
My 02 worth.


I've had that happen as well with my All American.....and also with green beans. I suspect that's what happened.

Just curious on one thing though........odontia, did you let the canner cool completely with the weight on? If so, you can set up a pretty good vacuum in the canner and that can fubar seals, though it doesn't usually blow contents out of the jars.



I goofed up my first batch of garden tomatos-  I pulled the jiggler with just 2 pounds of pressure indicated on the dial gage on my all american.  

So much for figuring close is good enough.  Every jar boiled over at the drop in pressure.  I had to reprocess.  I waited 5 min after the needle dropped to the peg the second time!!! (and all was right with the world)



Question.  Why are you pressure cooking tomatos?  I was always under the impression that bioling canning was sufficient for tomatos, due to high acidity.
11/17/2007 6:00:30 AM EDT
[#19]
I always have waterbathed tomatoes, but "they" say now because of the many varieties of tomatoes the acid content cannot be trusted alone.  I add a tbsp lemonjuice.
11/17/2007 5:51:17 PM EDT
[#20]

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Question.  Why are you pressure cooking tomatos?  I was always under the impression that bioling canning was sufficient for tomatos, due to high acidity.


He may have added pepper, onions or other low acid foods to his recipe. Doing so would make pressure canning a necessity.

Alternatively, he may simply have wanted an extra safety margin.....
11/18/2007 4:11:54 AM EDT
[#21]
Makes sense.  How long would you have to pressure can them then?  Boiling is typically only ~15-20 min anytime I've pressure canned it's been signinficantly longer.  I'd be weary that it would over cook the tamaters and turn it to mush.
11/18/2007 4:30:18 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
Makes sense.  How long would you have to pressure can them then?  Boiling is typically only ~15-20 min anytime I've pressure canned it's been signinficantly longer.  I'd be weary that it would over cook the tamaters and turn it to mush.


For "Tomatoes Packed in Water", the Ball Book says process pints and quarts 10 minutes at 10 lb pressure.

With the heat-up and cool-down periods of a pressure canner, there's probably no time savings here compared to water bath canning. However, the Ball Book makes an interesting observation:


From Ball Complete, p. 370:
Processing tomatoes in a pressure canner may produce a more nutritious and higher -quality product because the tomatoes are heated to higher temperature but are processed for a shorter period of time. The longer a food product is exposed to heat, the greater the loss of nutrients and overall product quality, If you have a pressure canner , it may be the best choice when processing tomatoes.
11/18/2007 4:48:55 AM EDT
[#23]
My mom always water bathed them and I'm still alive.  

No more reason than I wanted to try it that way.  I'm still new and stick to the manual for the most part.  I did add lemon juice to my tomatos too.  I have good insurance too.  I'm hoping the lemon juice isn't that noticeable when it's time to use them.  I'm sure chili would mask the lemon but I'm not so sure about spagettie sauce.  I didn't make marinara because I wanted to leave my options open for use.

I don't have a large water canner, I can do pints in my stock pot or even use by pressure canner as a water bath but with quarts I don't have much water over the top of the jar lids.  I looked at the k mart water bath canners but they were so thin and half of that was enamel I didn't want one (my sister has had two bath canners spring leaks).  It's on the list though, I want durable quality.

Hmmm, I'm thinking maybe I should just buy a second bigger AA canner that can water bath quarts.  Muh ha hahaaa!  Would cut down on the batches too!

11/18/2007 5:08:02 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
My mom always water bathed them and I'm still alive.  

No more reason than I wanted to try it that way.  I'm still new and stick to the manual for the most part.  I did add lemon juice to my tomatos too.  I have good insurance too.  I'm hoping the lemon juice isn't that noticeable when it's time to use them.  I'm sure chili would mask the lemon but I'm not so sure about spagettie sauce.  I didn't make marinara because I wanted to leave my options open for use.

I don't have a large water canner, I can do pints in my stock pot or even use by pressure canner as a water bath but with quarts I don't have much water over the top of the jar lids.  I looked at the k mart water bath canners but they were so thin and half of that was enamel I didn't want one (my sister has had two bath canners spring leaks).  It's on the list though, I want durable quality.

Hmmm, I'm thinking maybe I should just buy a second bigger AA canner that can water bath quarts.  Muh ha hahaaa!  Would cut down on the batches too!



Seriously?  You would buy another AA for hundreds but wouldn't spend $20 on a Kmart H2obather?




11/18/2007 6:37:51 PM EDT
[#25]
Aw come on Mallory, It's shiny, finely machined, hi grade alloy and I'm a man.

Makes sense to me!  How many enamel mag rims do you see on cars?

I can't come up with a better reason than that though.

ETA- OK, after I moment I can say I can be a sucker for quality built stuff but the jumbo pressure canner can do two layers of quarts under pressure or one as a water bath.  If I got more than 2 deer, I'd can a bunch of it under pressure as stew meat.  And I could do a spag. sauce with meat in large batches too.  

I'm rational(izing)
11/18/2007 6:55:55 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
I'm rational(izing)


No need to rationalize........doing 14 quarts at a time is reason enough!

11/18/2007 7:20:23 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Did you wipe the rims before putting the caps on?


Yes everyone of them.  Guys I am at a loss.  Do I need more than 1 inch head space?  How much space can you have and not let it spoil?


Thanks Bob


You could have two inches of headspace and it will not spoil.  You have created a vacuum; there's nothing in there to cause spoilage.  Canning food that contains grease can cause the jars not to seal.  The only thing you can do is use new lids/rings, wipe the jar's rim and let the canner bleed-down on its own.
Take those jars out of the fridge tomorrow and try it again!
Good luck
B_S
11/19/2007 6:18:49 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
Aw come on Mallory, It's shiny, finely machined, hi grade alloy and I'm a man.

Makes sense to me!  How many enamel mag rims do you see on cars?

I can't come up with a better reason than that though.

ETA- OK, after I moment I can say I can be a sucker for quality built stuff but the jumbo pressure canner can do two layers of quarts under pressure or one as a water bath.  If I got more than 2 deer, I'd can a bunch of it under pressure as stew meat.  And I could do a spag. sauce with meat in large batches too.  

I'm rational(izing)


Marry me.
11/19/2007 6:20:19 AM EDT
[#29]
Man o man Feral, that's a good setup!
11/19/2007 7:32:26 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Aw come on Mallory, It's shiny, finely machined, hi grade alloy and I'm a man.

Makes sense to me!  How many enamel mag rims do you see on cars?

I can't come up with a better reason than that though.

ETA- OK, after I moment I can say I can be a sucker for quality built stuff but the jumbo pressure canner can do two layers of quarts under pressure or one as a water bath.  If I got more than 2 deer, I'd can a bunch of it under pressure as stew meat.  And I could do a spag. sauce with meat in large batches too.  

I'm rational(izing)


Marry me.


LOL, too bad you're half a nation away!

11/19/2007 7:37:15 AM EDT
[#31]
The small pressure cooker/canner is awesome for hawiian short ribs or to cook a corned beef in a relatively quick and TENDER manner.  

I envision the big one for serious canning.  I'll not buy the big one for a while yet.  I hardly have room to store my stuff now!!  I have cases of quarts jammed under the sink now.  I have a small garden now and envision going big with a summer kitchen one day when I'm settled in.  
11/19/2007 10:05:05 PM EDT
[#32]
  Get the AA AND the water bath canner.  If SHTF you can use one
to generate hot water on a woodstove to clean the jars, utensils, etc that are in
process in the other unit.  The enameled water bath canners always rust, though.
When raising and processing foods (especuially meats), you can never go wrong
with a generous hot water supply.