Posted: 1/11/2013 11:55:59 PM EDT
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So as a back up do any of you carry something besides a gun or a knife? I have one of these tire knockers in my car as a back up plan.
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Quoted: If you are close enough to use that on your opponent, he's close enough to take it away and use it on you. Also, if he's jacked up on drugs, you might not stop him with those even if you know how to use them. It's best to stop the threat from a safe distance. Seriously? You went there?  I (and this'll probably get me laughed at) don't much like knives as fighting tools. Not good enough with them and don't care to devote the time and energy to practice enough to GET good enough. I've variously carried an Asp, a glass pop bottle (don't laugh, they used to be plentiful, innocuous, nigh on impossible to break, and, when filled with liquid, fairly unpleasant to be clobbered with), and various canes. These days, I walk with a cane and can even limp pretty convincingly. A white oak stockman's cane can be had in the $10-15 range (with shipping hitting around $9 for a single specimen, but only going up a buck or two per additional cane). Cold steel makes a couple of really good polypropylene canes, and there are various other "fighting" canes to be had here and there at prices ranging from $40 on up to over $1000. Nice thing about a cane-- well, nice things-- are that: 1: it's completely innocuous. Unless it's obviously a fighter, with the hand holds and steel inlaid striking points, you can carry one everywhere. I've been on the floor of the state senate with my blackthorn and nobody batted an eye. I've walked right through air force base guard stations without being questioned. Never tried taking one on a plane, since I've refused to fly since well before the whole TSA atrocity started, but I'm pretty sure that if you limped up to the counter, they wouldn't demand that you fall over or be carried onto the plane. 2: It doesn't take a whole bunch of training for it to be useful, though training can make it far more useful and deadly. 3: it's not inherently deadly. 4: It's long. A cane sized for my height is 37.5 inches to the crown. That's sword length, and two to five times knife length. 5: It's fast! Properly used, if the BG can get it away from you, you've fucked up in some major way. 6: And here's the most important one, by far. Inasmuch as it's something that you can readily carry in your hand without suspision, IT'S IN YOUR HAND ALREADY! There is no draw time with a cane. There is no fishing around in your pocket with a cane. There is no "concealment" with a cane. It's right there in your hand, ready at all times. Mr. Knife wielding BG makes his run from within the magical 21 feet that dictate you won't have time to draw, who gives a shit. Cane (held in off hand unless your really do need it to walk), swings up to be grasped by strong hand. From strong hand, cane is deployed in any of a number of strikes, depending on your strength, ability, and level of training. BG gets strike face introduction while still a couple of feet out of stabbing distance. This introduction can be anything from a disarm or stun, all the way up to a lethal strike that'll crack his skull. Not that I'm a hardcore advocate of cane fighting or anything  |
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I think you could kill somebody with either of those. You could of course. But, a nice aluminum bodied D cell flashlight applied to a boney prominence would disable someone right quick. If you've ever studied something like Kali, you could employ one quite effectively.
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Quoted: Quoted: I think you could kill somebody with either of those. I know for a fact you can with a maglight. I've never considered anything "non lethal" as a weapon. I drove a taxi for about 6 years in a different life. I used to keep a 3 cell maglight next to me for spoting an address at night. One night some dude in the front seat got a little froggy and he took it across the nose. They can do a LOT of damage |
. It could be deadly though I reckon.
Bear in mind that some "tools" like metal flashlights (5-6 C-cell Maglites, for example like I used to carry as a cop) are legal to carry just about anywhere. Other "tools" are not. If you are going to carry an illegal tool for self-defense, you might as well carry a pistola. Plus, it's easier to explain to a jury why you shot an attacker to death, than why you beat him to death with a tire knocker. 
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Quoted: Quoted: If you are close enough to use that on your opponent, he's close enough to take it away and use it on you. Also, if he's jacked up on drugs, you might not stop him with those even if you know how to use them. It's best to stop the threat from a safe distance. Seriously? You went there? I (and this'll probably get me laughed at) don't much like knives as fighting tools. Not good enough with them and don't care to devote the time and energy to practice enough to GET good enough. I've variously carried an Asp, a glass pop bottle (don't laugh, they used to be plentiful, innocuous, nigh on impossible to break, and, when filled with liquid, fairly unpleasant to be clobbered with), and various canes. These days, I walk with a cane and can even limp pretty convincingly. A white oak stockman's cane can be had in the $10-15 range (with shipping hitting around $9 for a single specimen, but only going up a buck or two per additional cane). Cold steel makes a couple of really good polypropylene canes, and there are various other "fighting" canes to be had here and there at prices ranging from $40 on up to over $1000. Nice thing about a cane-- well, nice things-- are that: 1: it's completely innocuous. Unless it's obviously a fighter, with the hand holds and steel inlaid striking points, you can carry one everywhere. I've been on the floor of the state senate with my blackthorn and nobody batted an eye. I've walked right through air force base guard stations without being questioned. Never tried taking one on a plane, since I've refused to fly since well before the whole TSA atrocity started, but I'm pretty sure that if you limped up to the counter, they wouldn't demand that you fall over or be carried onto the plane. 2: It doesn't take a whole bunch of training for it to be useful, though training can make it far more useful and deadly. 3: it's not inherently deadly. 4: It's long. A cane sized for my height is 37.5 inches to the crown. That's sword length, and two to five times knife length. 5: It's fast! Properly used, if the BG can get it away from you, you've fucked up in some major way. 6: And here's the most important one, by far. Inasmuch as it's something that you can readily carry in your hand without suspision, IT'S IN YOUR HAND ALREADY! There is no draw time with a cane. There is no fishing around in your pocket with a cane. There is no "concealment" with a cane. It's right there in your hand, ready at all times. Mr. Knife wielding BG makes his run from within the magical 21 feet that dictate you won't have time to draw, who gives a shit. Cane (held in off hand unless your really do need it to walk), swings up to be grasped by strong hand. From strong hand, cane is deployed in any of a number of strikes, depending on your strength, ability, and level of training. BG gets strike face introduction while still a couple of feet out of stabbing distance. This introduction can be anything from a disarm or stun, all the way up to a lethal strike that'll crack his skull. Not that I'm a hardcore advocate of cane fighting or anything I like the cut of your jib.  |
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I think you could kill somebody with either of those. I know for a fact you can with a maglight. I've never considered anything "non lethal" as a weapon. I can also confirm this having seen it first hand; guy was DOA with a depressed skull fracture. A Mag-light will also shatter many of the hand bones of a thug who pulls a knife on you in the back of an ambulance (I might be good friends with two different medics who have tested this theory at different times  ; one stopped after striking the bad guy's hand, the other followed-through with a knock to the head which rendered the misunderstood youth unconscious and bleeding from a good sized laceration. Luckily he didn't cave the guys skull in).
Personally I keep a can of OC in the truck and occasionally carry a smaller size (not while working). There's also a breaker bar behind the seat for my lug nuts; modern Toyota lug wrenches suck. |
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<snip> Not that I'm a hardcore advocate of cane fighting or anything
I like the cut of your jib. Canemasters One of my coworkers uses one of these, actually has a leg deformity that makes him need it. He's put it to effective use on local thugs a couple of times. |
| Never said I don't have my CHL, I just hide this between the seat as a back up just in case. The mag light stays in the glove box just a short reach away. I even have a smaller version as a key chain with a 3/4 inch ball bearing for the times when the pistola has to stay in the cars nano box. |