Posted: 11/10/2009 7:50:44 PM EDT
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Please please please, i would love for each reader to really read over this and take some time and really try to build in their mind what i will be wearing/carrying and placing my gear and would love to hear any input as to what type of gear i can use for those slots and/or what comments you will have. Constructive criticism would be greatly greatly much appreciated. Please take the time ot read this and help me out if ya can. It certainly took a while to type all this out.
For my FO gear I will basically be wearing a plate carrier with plates, then a Spec Ops over armor MOLLE vest to hold all my gear on my torso. My head gear will consist of: -a PT helmet from TNVC -Goggles -Spec Ops recon wrap for face cover My plate carrier will carry III3A rated ballistics ceramic plates and will be covered/layered over with my Spec Ops Over Armor MOLLE vest. On the vest I will be carrying: ~In the front~ -6 AR-15 magazines held on by MOLLE pouches -2 Glock magazines held on by MOLLE pouches (preferably BIG glock mags as these would be the last rounds i fire b4 running out) -GPS unit in a pouch ~On the right side~ -Nothing because thats where i will draw my speed loads for my AR-15 from This is the part where i need the critiquing and help the most ~On the left side~ -Multi purpose MOLLE pouch. (LINK) ~On the back~ -Gerber Survival Knife -MOLLE Camelback reservoir -2 MOLLE Modular Depolyment Bags (attached via MOLLE system on top of the camelback reservoir) (LINK) Now the specific delima that i have is (in the green highlighted pouches above) I have to fit the rest of this gear on to my torso. Placement is really the only problem. But TO THIS LIST SPECIFICALLY......if anyone sees anything else i could add to it or change please let me know. -2 cans of Riot size doses of tear gas -3 cans of room size doses of tear gas -10 spare 123 batteries (for lights lasers and gun gear) -4 spare AA batteries -2 spare flashlight bulbs (will be stored with the 123 batteries in a surefire lanyard) -AR-15 lower parts kit -Rain poncho -100 ft of parachord ~Tool Kit~ <consisting of> -Philips and Flathead interchangeable Screwdriver tips w/ host screwdriver -Allen Wrenches -Wire Cutters -Multi Tool -Gun Oil and cleaning solvents -Spare barrel patches -Otis Deluxe (cleans every gun) cleaning kit (I am also looking for collapsible rods to run down the bore of my AR-15 barrel to clean and buff it if i wanted to) if anyone knows of any id love a link. ––––––––––––––––––––––Hard Part Over––––––––––––––––––––––––- I will be wearing a belt held up by low profile "cargo strap like" suspenders. On it will be: -2 Safariland Speed Holsters for AR-15 magazines on my right. -2 Safariland Speed Holsters for my Glock Magazines on my left. My right leg will consist of a MOLLE panel. On it will be: -1 Pouch for a tear gas canister (containing one can of tear gas) -Safariland MOLLE holster (containing my Glock w/ surefire light) My left leg will consist of a Gas mask pouch. On/In it will be: -1 Gas Mask -1 Nato 40mm threaded Gas Mask Filter I will also be wearing BLACKHAWK pants and shorts that are I.T.S and have a integrated tourniquet system in the limbs. In my pockets I will have: -Pocket Knife -Vacume sealed personalized survival kit (fits in a cargo pocket) |
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less tactical more practical keep it simple- water will get you further than most of the high speed stuff what castle will you be stormin by yourself ^This....all of my bug out gear, is concealable. I do not want to advertise, but that is just my own opinion. |
| this would be a for a 12-24 hour outing and would range anywhere from a light assault purpose, to recon and observation, or to defense. Its just really a general all purpose set up, not geared specifically to any one thing. Its gunna be that set up right there and going to have my m4 and my glock at my side, and yah, i think i may try to reconsider my gun harness on my thigh. |
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whats all the tear gas for? do you plan on taking a large crowd of rioting people on by yourself? where is your food? 12-24 hour load out where is your water? you have a camelbak but that only holds 3 to 4 liters max. unless your going to be sitting around on your duff your going to need more water than that.
assuming that this is meant as a survival set up what situation are you envisioning? TEOTWAWKI? Civil unrest? Power outage? Hurricane? the high speed gear is cool, lord knows i have some, but it (in my opinion) has no place in a survival load out. i have heard the term "shoot me first gear" and i think its a very true statement. if your running around dressed up like a tacticool ninja your going to attract lots of attention. and mostly the kind you don't want (leo or desperate and hungry folks) if you look better prepared, better fed, better clothed, better equiped... etc someone is gonna want what you got. better to blend in and disappear in the crowd. one thing about your load out though. are you a lefty? because if your not you want your rifle mags and pistol mags on the left not the right. you will be loading with your support hand not your business hand... if you are a lefty then your gtg with the rifle, but consider moving your pistol mags to that side too. just a suggestion. |
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this would be a for a 12-24 hour outing and would range anywhere from a light assault purpose, to recon and observation, or to defense. Its just really a general all purpose set up, not geared specifically to any one thing. Its gunna be that set up right there and going to have my m4 and my glock at my side, and yah, i think i may try to reconsider my gun harness on my thigh. I think you need to re-evaluate a lot. General purpose food water and first aid is far more important than 9 rifle and four pistol mags (I am reading plate carrier 6/2 belt 2/2). Same thing for recon plus recon you need to be thinking binocs/spotting scope camoflage stealth etc. IMO there is no such thing as light assault. Go heavy or stay home. You do not have a ready platoon, artillery or air a push of a button away. You may plan 12-24 but you need to carry 24-36 on at least the water. Shit happens, dehydration is deadly in more ways than just dehydrating. You get dehydrated you get careless, your reactions get slower and you make more noise. You also start to move slower increasing your exposure time. If you are going further than a mile or two from your base you need to ruck up, stock up and be prepared to be out longer. A perimeter patrol sure pack light. But you are not getting further than a mile or so away from base. Going beyond the immediate perimeter you need to treat it as a patrol and plan on 36 hours minimum (I would lean towards 72). As I said above shit happens. Also keep in mind in this type of scenario, traveling at 3 or 4 miles an hour is like caring a big sign that says kill me I'm stupid and careless. Think 2 miles an hour. So 12 hours = 3 miles out three miles back IF nothing happens or is encountered. Gas is way to limited purpose and of questionable effect to carry when traveling light/general purpose. The only practical use IMO is to aid in breaking contact. Which has its limits (wind direction, wind speed, do the bad guys have masks, does the terrain benefit from its use etc). I see the gas and the mask as wasted weight better used on other things. Batteries:change out for fresh before you leave and ditch at least some of the spares. Also, shit strapped to your thighs and in cargo pockets can be a pain in the ass. One can be tolerable both together sucks hard. JMHO YMMV |
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whats all the tear gas for? do you plan on taking a large crowd of rioting people on by yourself? where is your food? 12-24 hour load out where is your water? you have a camelbak but that only holds 3 to 4 liters max. unless your going to be sitting around on your duff your going to need more water than that. assuming that this is meant as a survival set up what situation are you envisioning? TEOTWAWKI? Civil unrest? Power outage? Hurricane? the high speed gear is cool, lord knows i have some, but it (in my opinion) has no place in a survival load out. i have heard the term "shoot me first gear" and i think its a very true statement. if your running around dressed up like a tacticool ninja your going to attract lots of attention. and mostly the kind you don't want (leo or desperate and hungry folks) if you look better prepared, better fed, better clothed, better equiped... etc someone is gonna want what you got. better to blend in and disappear in the crowd. one thing about your load out though. are you a lefty? because if your not you want your rifle mags and pistol mags on the left not the right. you will be loading with your support hand not your business hand... if you are a lefty then your gtg with the rifle, but consider moving your pistol mags to that side too. just a suggestion. yep im a lefty |
| I would say that you definitely have to consider going less tactical and a bit more low profile with your gear. It sound to me like most, if not all, of your stuff could be put into a backpack of some type that wouldn't tell everyone exactly what you are carrying. |
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Please please please how many places are you going to post this? http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=10&f=17&t=629657 ar-jedi |
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Please please please how many places are you going to post this? http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=10&f=17&t=629657 ar-jedi You forgot http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=158&t=954089 too. It is very interesting to see the difference in responses, based on what area he posted in. |
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You forgot http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=158&t=954089 too. It is very interesting to see the difference in responses, based on what area he posted in. good grief. 
i especially like his statement i do 30+ miles a day in elevations ranging from 6k-12k ft easily, yeah im starting to toss around the idea of a smaller backpack
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[/quote] You forgot http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=158&t=954089 too. It is very interesting to see the difference in responses, based on what area he posted in.[/quote] looks like zombie central was the place he should have posted to begin with...firmly planted in make-believe....oh well. |
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OP, I'm going to try and not bash you like some of the others (rightfully) have. And yes I've read your duplicate post in the other survival forum.
As others have said, you need to lose all the tacticool, high-speed shit. Start basic (some ALICE gear or a basic chest rig/ battle belt setup). In most SHTF scenarios, low profile is better. If you EVER get spotted wearing all the stuff (SHTF or not), you can be assured of gaining swift attention from authorities. Again, start basic. Food, water, shelter, then defense stuff. As someone else has said, you ain't gonna be assaulting anything by yourself, so I'd drop a lot of the ammo on your person. 4-6 rifle mags and 2 pistol is plenty. If you wanna carry a spare bando of 5.56, put it in a pack. Also, do you really need armor? Have you ever worn body armor, a helmet, and all that other crap strapped to it when you do one of these "30+ mile hikes at 6K-12K elevation"? I seriously doubt it, dude. I responded to your concern in another of your threads regarding your SOB Over-Armor Vest not fitting without armor. That alone tells me that not only do you not currently have armor, but you have also never actually worn body armor for any mentionable length of time. I have worn armor, every day. Soft armor, and tactical armor with plates. It sucks, and it's freakin heavy. I'm in above-average shape, and I know there's no way I could hump 10 miles (much less 30 at elevation) with full body armor, helmet, and tac gear. ALong those same lines, all the teargas can go. I can see a can of OC would be useful, but you're not gonna be clearing buildings solo. (Not if you wanna live anyway.) I guess you're entire post reeks of someone who believed that gear makes the man, and then decided that looking like the guy in the TAD gear or TNVC ad would instantly make you mission-capable. It doesn't work that way, bro. I'll take at face value that you're an Eagle Scout. Beyond that, you need to worry less about the latest, greatest tactical gear, and focus more on skill development. Have you taken any formal training classes to use your firearms? Do you exercise regularly? Do you practice basic survival skills, i.e., making fire and shelter, collecting and purifying water? That's the stuff you need to work on. My final suggestion is to read more and post less. That may sound silly since this IS a discussion forum, but I promise you'll gain a lot more knowledge by studying up before you go posting outrageous load-outs on the web. I also suggest you go to www.lightfighter.net and read all the stickies at the top of each forum by user USMC03. Be forewarned that if you post anything there resembling your OP here, you will made fun of to no end––99% of them are professionals, and they don't take kindly to internet commandoes. ETA: One other site that comes to mind is our own Currahee's Every Citizen A Soldier . He not only is former miltary, he also organizes and competes regularly in tactical/3-gun matches. His website is an EXCELLENT primer for any newcomer, and his site shows how skills, not gear, make the difference. I only wish I'd found it sooner. 
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OP, I'm going to try and not bash you like some of the others (rightfully) have. And yes I've read your duplicate post in the other survival forum. As others have said, you need to lose all the tacticool, high-speed shit. Start basic (some ALICE gear or a basic chest rig/ battle belt setup). In most SHTF scenarios, low profile is better. If you EVER get spotted wearing all the stuff (SHTF or not), you can be assured of gaining swift attention from authorities. Again, start basic. Food, water, shelter, then defense stuff. As someone else has said, you ain't gonna be assaulting anything by yourself, so I'd drop a lot of the ammo on your person. 4-6 rifle mags and 2 pistol is plenty. If you wanna carry a spare bando of 5.56, put it in a pack. Also, do you really need armor? Have you ever worn body armor, a helmet, and all that other crap strapped to it when you do one of these "30+ mile hikes at 6K-12K elevation"? I seriously doubt it, dude. I responded to your concern in another of your threads regarding your SOB Over-Armor Vest not fitting without armor. That alone tells me that not only do you not currently have armor, but you have also never actually worn body armor for any mentionable length of time. I have worn armor, every day. Soft armor, and tactical armor with plates. It sucks, and it's freakin heavy. I'm in above-average shape, and I know there's no way I could hump 10 miles (much less 30 at elevation) with full body armor, helmet, and tac gear. ALong those same lines, all the teargas can go. I can see a can of OC would be useful, but you're not gonna be clearing buildings solo. (Not if you wanna live anyway.) I guess you're entire post reeks of someone who believed that gear makes the man, and then decided that looking like the guy in the TAD gear or TNVC ad would instantly make you mission-capable. It doesn't work that way, bro. I'll take at face value that you're an Eagle Scout. Beyond that, you need to worry less about the latest, greatest tactical gear, and focus more on skill development. Have you taken any formal training classes to use your firearms? Do you exercise regularly? Do you practice basic survival skills, i.e., making fire and shelter, collecting and purifying water? That's the stuff you need to work on. My final suggestion is to read more and post less. That may sound silly since this IS a discussion forum, but I promise you'll gain a lot more knowledge by studying up before you go posting outrageous load-outs on the web. I also suggest you go to www.lightfighter.net and read all the stickies at the top of each forum by user USMC03. Be forewarned that if you post anything there resembling your OP here, you will made fun of to no end––99% of them are professionals, and they don't take kindly to internet commandoes. ETA: One other site that comes to mind is our own Currahee's Every Citizen A Soldier . He not only is former miltary, he also organizes and competes regularly in tactical/3-gun matches. His website is an EXCELLENT primer for any newcomer, and his site shows how skills, not gear, make the difference. I only wish I'd found it sooner. thanks, thats the kind of help i was hoping to get |
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OP, I'm going to try and not bash you like some of the others (rightfully) have. And yes I've read your duplicate post in the other survival forum. As others have said, you need to lose all the tacticool, high-speed shit. Start basic (some ALICE gear or a basic chest rig/ battle belt setup). In most SHTF scenarios, low profile is better. If you EVER get spotted wearing all the stuff (SHTF or not), you can be assured of gaining swift attention from authorities. Again, start basic. Food, water, shelter, then defense stuff. As someone else has said, you ain't gonna be assaulting anything by yourself, so I'd drop a lot of the ammo on your person. 4-6 rifle mags and 2 pistol is plenty. If you wanna carry a spare bando of 5.56, put it in a pack. Also, do you really need armor? Have you ever worn body armor, a helmet, and all that other crap strapped to it when you do one of these "30+ mile hikes at 6K-12K elevation"? I seriously doubt it, dude. I responded to your concern in another of your threads regarding your SOB Over-Armor Vest not fitting without armor. That alone tells me that not only do you not currently have armor, but you have also never actually worn body armor for any mentionable length of time. I have worn armor, every day. Soft armor, and tactical armor with plates. It sucks, and it's freakin heavy. I'm in above-average shape, and I know there's no way I could hump 10 miles (much less 30 at elevation) with full body armor, helmet, and tac gear. ALong those same lines, all the teargas can go. I can see a can of OC would be useful, but you're not gonna be clearing buildings solo. (Not if you wanna live anyway.) I guess you're entire post reeks of someone who believed that gear makes the man, and then decided that looking like the guy in the TAD gear or TNVC ad would instantly make you mission-capable. It doesn't work that way, bro. I'll take at face value that you're an Eagle Scout. Beyond that, you need to worry less about the latest, greatest tactical gear, and focus more on skill development. Have you taken any formal training classes to use your firearms? Do you exercise regularly? Do you practice basic survival skills, i.e., making fire and shelter, collecting and purifying water? That's the stuff you need to work on. My final suggestion is to read more and post less. That may sound silly since this IS a discussion forum, but I promise you'll gain a lot more knowledge by studying up before you go posting outrageous load-outs on the web. I also suggest you go to www.lightfighter.net and read all the stickies at the top of each forum by user USMC03. Be forewarned that if you post anything there resembling your OP here, you will made fun of to no end––99% of them are professionals, and they don't take kindly to internet commandoes. ETA: One other site that comes to mind is our own Currahee's Every Citizen A Soldier . He not only is former miltary, he also organizes and competes regularly in tactical/3-gun matches. His website is an EXCELLENT primer for any newcomer, and his site shows how skills, not gear, make the difference. I only wish I'd found it sooner. +1 I lurked a long time on this site before I posted anything (still do). |