[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SHTF Sidearm (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/24/2008 5:11:35 PM EDT
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I know that most of us on here consider ourselves to be somewhat frugal. However, in a true SHTF scenario; quality always trumps cost. I may have found the answer two the problem of cost vs quality in a sidearm. I sold off my 1911 a few years ago, and have regretted it every since. I have several other sidearms, but believe that every collection should include a .45. I was planning on buying a Springfield XD-45, but had some unexpected bills come up. I figured I needed a .45 now, ( okay I just wanted one to play with) so I started searching for cheaper alternitives. I have known about HI-Point firearms for awhile now but never considered getting a new untill I did some homework. After studying for a couple weeks I decided to get one, and went and picked it up tonight. Here is what I know. Hi Point is 100% Made in America. They come with a lifetime warranty. Not the life of the owner, the life of the gun. If your grandkids experience a malfunction with it, Hi Point will replace it for free. I have talked to many people and read acoounts where owners have fired over 100,000 rounds and NEVER EXPERIENCED A MALFUNCTION. My gun dealer told me he had a customer who dropped his weapon on the floor of his garage and damaged it. He called the company and they sent him new gun and a magazine for his troubles. Gun Test Magazine has tested them, and has rated them as high as some $1000 guns. Their durability is unbelievable. I have thus far ran 50 rounds through the gun. It has not had a hiccup. They are bulky, not pretty, and only hold 9 rounds in the mag. My view on pistols is that for the most part, they are defensive weapons. If they can shoot into a pie plate continually at 25 yards, they are good. Reliablity is much more important to me than extreme accuraccy in a defensive sidearm. The biggest negative thus far on the weapon besides the bulkiness factor is the trigger pull. Waaaaaaayyyyyy too long. I am quite sure it could be cleaned up. Thus far my AAR is 95% positive. Keep in mind this is a brand new handgun with a lifetime warranty for under $200. As I test further I'll keep you informed. |
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Trade that Hi-Point Kia/Hyundai has a great warranty, too, but it's still junk compared to a Toyota or Honda. Besides, if TSHTF your warranty will be worthless. Buy something with 
IMO, this is not NEARLY enough rounds to warrant praise for a handgun, especially one you may need to protect your life and your family. (Edited to moderate my crappy tone) |
Hi-Point. a phenomenal throw-down firearm. If it gets lost, or you "need" to loose it, just toss it, spend a hundred bucks and you're back in business. Would never trust my life to one on a continued basis, but its better then a pointy stick. |
| If your looking for a low cost, quality S/A Pistol that is reliable as the day is long. Try a Ruger P Series. The 9mm's they make in the P Series are great low cost pistols. I used a P85 9mm as my main Pistol for 15 years until I recently upgraded to a Glock 19. The Rugers are heavy and not as cool as a Glock, Sig, etc. But they are ultra reliable and combat accurate pistols. I've never had one malfunction with my P85 in over 15 years. That's with all kinds of FMJ and JHP ammo. Good used Rugers can be found in the $250 range. New they can be found for $350. |
| I can tell you that a Hi-Point is not "a $1000 handgun" quality. The company president Tom Deeb would tell you as much if you met him. He set out to make a decent firearm that a working man could buy. They are much more durable then some of the other low cost guns (e.g. Jennings, Bryco, and Lorcin). I have worked on 100s of these firearms (both carbines and handguns) that have been recovered in connection with criminal investigations and they as you can imagine are often used and abused. Almost every one I have seen has worked. Hi-point will stand behind there product, period. Just realize that they are what they are a low cost reasonably durable handgun. They are not of the same quality as a firearm costing 2 or 3 times more. Another thought to keep in mind when considering firearm durability is all of them break at some point if you use them enough. Durability is important but in a SHTF situation if what you do have breaks can you fix it? Ease of repair is also something to consider. |
| I take it you have not disassembled and reassembled your HIPOINT yet, my father in law has one... and has put 200 rounds through it, had a few problems but they are associated with the mag, great gun for the price. We broke it down and BABY JESUS that thing has more parts to it than any other firearm i have ever worked with!!! Try stripping and cleaning it, it is much less than ideal, esp if you are under pressure or in an environment where small pins/springs can be easily camouflaged. Any other place than a well lit closet with all the doors closed is asking for it. I spent 350 on my S&W Sigma .40 and could not be happier, great gun for the price and simple as far as maintenance goes...IMO |
| I take it you have not disassembled and reassembled your HIPOINT yet, my father in law has one... and has put 200 rounds through it, had a few problems but they are associated with the mag, great gun for the price. We broke it down and BABY JESUS that thing has more parts to it than any other firearm i have ever worked with!!! Try stripping and cleaning it, it is much less than ideal, esp if you are under pressure or in an environment where small pins/springs can be easily camouflaged. Any other place than a well lit closet with all the doors closed is asking for it. I spent 350 on my S&W Sigma .40 and could not be happier, great gun for the price and simple as far as maintenance goes...IMO |
For God's sake, don't purchase a Hi-Point! Hi-Points are the Yugo of the gun world, right next to Jennings. I love my Kimber 1911 and tolerate my Glock 19 currently. However, my FNP-45 is an amazing value at $550 and comes with 3 - 14 round magazines. Don't purchase a SHTF sidearm without handling one of these first!!!! |
Agreed. My P90 eats anything I put through it - no malfs ever. Add some Hogue grips and night sights and you're good to go. Can't go wrong for under $400. |
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My Small post count aside. I think the Hi-point is a decent shooter. However I would not want to count on it for SHTF. I have an XD9 for that. However, I have had a hi-point 4095 .40 cal Carbine. An excellent pistol caliber carbine. And I do mean excellent. UGLY as all hell and back but a great shooter for what it is. Have since traded it for a 995 9mm carbine as ammo cost was a bit high. It to has been a great pistol cal carbine. I would not worry in the least to use it in a SHTF situation instead of the AR15. Only were it would fit the role. as the AR is a rifle not a pistol cal carbine. I cannot speak highly of the pistols however except they are great range toys for the hobbiest on a budget. And I wouldnt mind having one for back up to the back up. At the least it adds to a collection. |
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In my LEO experience, we find a lot of Hi-Points laying in the street jammed. Sure the guy who took care of it probably didn't take the best care of it...but good luck trying to get a Glock to jam like that because it wasn't cleaned well enough. I love my 1911, but its hard to argue with a Glock. Like you, I don't spend a lot of money on guns like a lot of people on this site. So, let me give you some free advise. Buy the G19 the first time and be done with it. I've got a 22, but the chance of using a handgun in a "true SHTF" scenario is probably nil anyway. 9mm is much cheaper, and more widely available than .40. |
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Thanks, I'd appreciate you keeping us posted. My mom's a, well to put it blunting, tight wad and insisted on a Hi-Point 9mm to supplement here Smith .38. I've found the gun to be very ammo picky. It does well with FMJs but flat unreliable with JHPs. Since its the only one I have been exposed to, I don't have much experience with them. Since you mentioned the XD .45. I do have one of those and love the damn gun. Its probably the most surprising handgun for the money I have bought in years. Its reliable, accurate, and low recoil for its weight. To you others who mentioned the Ruger P series, that's another surprise for me. I bought a P90 due to its low cost and stainless construction as my boat handgun. The gun is still ugly but it feeds anything I put into it and is fair enough on accuracy. I have two Glocks. Honestly, I'd rather have to oil and clean a gun than put up with that grip angle. Otherwise, they are good guns. Tj |
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As much as it pains me to say it, if I was on a budget or could only have one handgun for SHTF it'd be a Glock 19. Small enough to conceal, large enough to get your hands around, will take Glock 17 and 18 magazines, extremely reliable and with a durable finish, and the 9mm is (relatively) cheap to practice with and doesn't really stress the gun (like the .40 apparently does). JMHO- not a Glock Kool aid drinker (I prefer 1911s and Sigs), but I'll give credit where due |
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sure, i'm a firearms snob, but really... anyone i actully care about: "hey i was thinking i needed something just in case i needed to defend myself, so i bought this handgun called a hipoint" me:     ETA: notice i'm super tightass/not even a member, and i went to the trouble of looking up in the GD and quoting then retyping the code for the "pukeing" and "you fucked up-head bashing" emodicons... hipoints suck bad enough to go the extra mile and get something worth your time and effort... a friends friend bought a hightpoint(he was a marine bootcamp washout, though he went through almost a full three secions worth of camp before they gave him an honorable med discharge(to the best of my recolection, between a broken bone, other random medical injuries, and a couple shin splints, he spent well over 40 weeks at paris island, just wasn't meant to be). he is kinda small, weak, and sickly, but he damn sure gave it his all. i thought he would have learned something more about general firearms knowledge while there. being a "life-long gun enthusiast, but admitadlly over weight, out of shape, couch commandoish, gun guy" myself, i just assumed that being in the military would have instilled a good bit of all-around practicle firearms knowledge in the guy. i was totally wrong, and having spent time in the .mil dosent necessarilly teach you anything about quality firearms. between his service, myself, and a couple others advice, telling him repeatidlly not too, the stubberne bastard purchased a hipoint. approx. 150rnds later, he traded it in for about $50 towards a rock island armory 1911 patterened "elcheapo" .45. he told me he'd desperatelly wished he'd spent the extra <$150 to start with... BTW: i may be an opinionated jackass gun snob. but i'm not your typical richy rich opinionated rich asshole gun snob. i work in the service industry(i'm a cook/kitchen manager) and being completelly candid ,i made a measley $16.9k on the books lastyear, i pay over $400 a month in rent, plus i have other bills(utilities / car insurance / cell phone / groceries / expensive assed gasoline / etc...), there really is no excuse for buying crap! just my humble opinion, but i scrimp and save in other departments(spend very little on "enertainment" and other frivelous investments/crap, in order too be able to purchase quality firearms. as far as handguns go i only own a ruger single six .22/.22mag conversion revolver, a pair g17's, about to pick up a g19(and i'm looking into .22 conversions for the glocks), and lastly i have my kimber ultracarry .45(for ccw). if their is a chance you may ever actully have to trust your life to a firearm their is absolutelly no excuse to go cheap... |
Huh. I wonder if you could polish the feed ramp and chamber to improve on that, maybe work on the throat some (assuming there's room to work)? |
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i openly admit to being a gun snob. i'm picky where i spend my money and i enjoy the best quality i can get for my coin. selling guns for a while i refused to sell hi-points. the store owner insisted that we carry them but i flat would not sell one. guys, i'm sorry but if you came into my shop and said "wow, that gun's $100. can i see it?" i would walk to the other case and pretend you were a ghost. sure, it's not good for business but the crowd that hi-points bring in i would rather not have in the store. most of the ATF trace calls were about hi-points and other low cost drop guns. yeah it's american made but so was the pinto and Bill Clinton. i just can't see trusting your life to a $100, thug drop gun i buy what i can trust.............. 
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Probably, however I'm not around the gun enough to tinker with it. I just tried it out for her and gave her some ammo I knew would work in it. Tj |
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Get a SIG 226 or 229 and never look back!! Really I was a hard corp Glock fan for the past 7 years my first pistol was a glock then cause of my job I had to get a SIG the ones they issued to us I hated do to the DAK trigger so I bought a 226 SS DA/SA the weekend I got it I took my Glock and SIG out and shot them side by side. After about 25 rds duty load and 50 rds FMJ the SIG won hands down. The glock felt like it was going to brake in my hand. I'm guessing it is cause of the weight for the glock vs the sig! After shooting the SIG I though that my Glock was messed up so I had the gun smith look it over he told me it was fine. I still like my Glock but love my SIG. Just go out and try shooting a few pistols if you can if not go and hold a few pistols a Glock has a love or hate feel to it . |
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I was at the Ft Lauderdale Gun Show a couple of months ago and witnessed two different HI-POINT owners trade their guns. One of them for $25 towards a new Kar9 and the other for $30 towards a Glock 22. I have my Glock 19 since 1999 and have shot about 4,000 rounds of everything from CCI Blazer to Wolf and never had a problem. I believe shooting 50rnds on a gun without a problem is not a good way to measure reiability to trust your life to it. Glock 19 loaded with Black Talon is my SHTF handgun. My problem with .40 cal is that is much more expensive and does not outperform the 9mm by much. Good Luck! 223SAINT |
| Im of the belief that the sidearm you choose is one that you know and feel deep down is the most reliable and accurate one you can get. Now some of us can shoot great with one gun or another, but give us a certain gun and we cant shoot as accuratly. Pick one that works for you, but be sure that you know it will work if your life depends on it. When I talk to guys who are looking for their first handgun, I tell them to go for the name brand ones, they are well known for a reason. |
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one of the first things i sat down and thought about when i first got serious about prepping was how to allocate my limited resources. looking at the vast list of things i wanted, i realized that if i wasn't careful, i'd wind up saving for the best quality for everything, and never wind up buying anything. OTOH, if i went out and bought the cheapest version of everything, i'd never have decent gear that i could really bet my life on. after a lot of thought, i arrived at the following conclusion: when we're talking about life and death, the word "discount" should not enter the mix. what i mean by that is this--if the failure of a particular piece of gear would directly lead to injury or death, then that piece of gear must be the highest possible quality. if gear failure would be merely inconvenient, then i could afford to buy a lesser version. for example, if my water filter were to break, i would still have other means to treat water. therefore i had the latitude to go with a $70 MSR miniworks instead of a $220 katadyn. at the other extreme, let's say that i work on the 15th floor of an office building with a poor emergency escape plan. in that case, i'd love to have a descent bag (window breaker, harness, figure 8, and climber's rope) tucked away in a storeroom. for that particular situation, rope would be a very high-priority item--failure would probably mean death. because of this, i would spend absolute top dollar to get the best braid possible. with that in mind, let's look at the pistol situation... if the use of a pistol were to be called for, and your pistol failed, what would the repercussions be? the answer to that question led me to my current setup of colt, sig, bushmaster, and mossberg. i've got a lot of budget items, and ate a lot of ramen while acquiring top-quality guns, but i have never and will never regret those choices. even when money gets tight (which it did earlier this year), i never for a moment considered switching to lower quality guns, parts, or mags. because if the time comes when you need a gun, you need to KNOW that it is going to function flawlessly. [edit: if i were in the market for an economical SHTF pistol, my first inclination would be an XD, with glock as a close second. glocks just don't point well for me.] |
Funny I went the opposite route. I used to own just Sigs - sold some of them off and eventually traded my Sig P229R for a Glock 19 and some cash. I shoot my Glock 19 MUCH better then I did a P228 or P226. I also have bad shooting habits with the Sig that have never manifested themselves shooting a Glock. Someone's choice of handgun should be whatever they shoot best. It is an intensely personal decision - and I speak as one who has been extremely opinionated about everything. As to the OP. My Dad owns a HiPoint .40 - only handgun he owns and he never shoots it. When I was a teenager, it was one of the few handguns I had an opportunity to shoot - it functioned well and never had a problem. I wouldn't personally trust my life to one. For the cost of a Hi-Point, I think most people could cough up an extra $100 for a used semiauto pistol or revolver of a more reliable brand. My Dad is very frugal though - more so then me. If I was on a strict budget starting out, I would probably buy a police trade in Glock or maybe some imported CZ or Russian gun. |
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also in relation to my previous post, when i was 21 i spent alot of time "hanging out" with, and "partying" with punk rockers and non-racist skins. i hit my rebelious stage late but really hard, i hated my parents and i made a lot of really bad life decions.i was going through a really turbulent time in my "younger days". i cut back my hours to 2 days a week at my much hated factory job and spent what little money i made working 16hrs a week on booze and a little gasoline. i traded my taxiing services for food from a hippy chick waitress friend i'd made at a local waffle house and lived out of my truck. i'd even gotten in such a fight with my mom and dad that i'd been at the time permanentelly kicked out of their house and was living out of my dad's "borrowed" truck. i was even eating any meals i couldn't get from the "WH" out of the foodlion or Panera bread and deli dumpsters(the absolute best place to dumpster dive for food if you're hard up by the way, the bread is baked and tosssed daily and double bagged before being tossed in on the very top of the rest of the stuff in the dumpster at the very end of the day, and neither that foodlion nor panera "bleached" thier dumpsters{a lot of places or chains in larger cities do this to keep the bums and other human scavengers out of their dumpsters}). my point is at the lowest of my lows(while i was hanging with a bunch of what i now somewhat consider degenerates, living out of a vechicle, and eating out of a dumpster) i sill managed to keep one of the best bits of knoweledege my father ever instilled in me to heart. though he was refering at the time he said it to handtools, i expanded that tidbit to all aspects of my life that i could apply it too. he told me "regardless of your finances, always buy the absolute best tools you can aquire" i happened to have a couple essential tools at my disposal. i had a good zero degree coleman sleeping bag left over from a lot of camping in my teen-aged years, and a g17 and a conceiled carry permit, as combined present from my parents and myself, to me as my 21st birthday present. i was a jackass, i made some horrible life decisions. but i didn't scrimp on potential life saving gear. it was february about eight years ago. i was living in a truck in harrisonburg VA, sleeping in random places, living out of my vechical, often bivuacking in parking lots and along side streets in not great parts of a thankfully not too bad town. but i trusted my life too the "tools" i had at my disposal, a good sleeping bag and a good quality handgun. i was a total fuckup but then as now i had confidence in my "tools". i have no confidence in a hipoint. |
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One of my cadets bought a HiPoint, against the advice of all the rest of us. It failed to make it through his first range day with us- something internal broke/snapped/sheared/melted/whatever and it was down for the count. We didn't bother trying to fix it once we looked inside. It fired more than 50 or 200 rounds, admittedly, but having a warranty does you no good when you want/need to be shooting and your boomstick is tango uniform. |
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You could have done much better spending your money on a military surplus rifle like a sks or a used ruger pistol or revolver. That piece of homely russian rifle will work despite anything you do to it and rugers despite being clunky and overweight will work until hell freezes over. Look at it this way, eventually when that hi point goes tits up, you will at that point have learned the lesson others are talking about. |
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I learned that lesson when I was 19. Bought a second hand Lorcin .380. Failure to cycle led me to having to tilt the weapon over to allow the empty brass to fall out of the chamber. I believe that is the origin of "gangsta style" shooting. When I held the gun left handed and tilted it over so the ejection port was straight down, it was 100% reliable. I couldn't determine it's accuracy because the sights were now canted, but I could occasionally plink a soda can. I sold it off for $20 more than I paid for it. I have seen some cheap, zinc allow guns in .32 that worked fairly well for a long time, but eventually, they all go TU. I bought plenty of other "bargain" firearms that turned out to be less than a deal. Llama, Tec9 (WORD!), Cobray/SWD MAC series things. No more crap in my arsenal. A hi-point is attractive to people who truly are on a budget, but I would never recommend one to anybody. I do not believe them to be a value at all. They have a short lifespan, reliability issues, safety issues (look at the striker mechanism and think about the liability that comes from those little, poorly crafted parts of low quality metal), terrible triggers, awful sights, and you could only conceal it if you throw it on a hod with a load of bricks (okay, that is a prejudiced exaggeration, but I have enough bad experience to carry a prejudice). |
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Guys you have to understand a few things. I am not saying that a $200 dollar gun will be as accurate and ergonomically sound as a much better machined pistol. Keep in mind most of the guns I am being told to purchase by members here I either already own or have traded off. Firearms have been part of my professional life for over 15 years, either in the military or in Corrections. I have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds and shot competitively on a pistol team. I give you my background only to show I'm not an armchair quaterback. I totally understand everyone's skepticism. When someone starts bragging about great sidearms and then brings up HiPoint, I immediately think Rambo wanne-be that still lives in his parents basement. But I have heard good reports from some people I know have a lot of gun knowledge so I bought this gun as an experiment. I will play with it and give you an honest assessment. I don't care how it looks, I don't care what it cost. I just want to see if it will fire without any malfunctions. As someone pointed out earlier, field stripping requires a punch.  Definitely not like breaking down a 1911.My point in this experiment is only to see if this gun could be a viable alternative to someone strapped for cash. Most gun snobs will laugh at this, but they are the same people that drop $700 or more to have a gun tricked out and then get outshot by someone who understands marksmanship and owns a $450 gun.  I have seen this more times than I can recall.
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Please don’t take this the wrong way, it is just constructive criticism. What the hell is going on here? Hi- points are for gang member that can’t afford a real pistol. If you are looking for cost efficiency and reliability, get yourself an old 357 revolver with seed loaders; they never quit. MHO don’t regress back to such substandard tools. If you were talking about a primary weapon like AK/AR/FAL then you take your time and explore all options. See what you like. But it is a side arm, meaning it is the secondary/ last gun/ only gun left to save you life. Bring back the old battle proven 1911 work horse and add a few extra 10 round mags. It has worked for all our Soldiers in the past and present. Why won’t it work for you? Every one who knows carries or owns one. You can get them in any specification your heart desires now. Don’t cut corners in this department; it’s your life and families well being. As for the cost subject: What is the cost for your life? $100----$600—etc… Look around for sales; I scored on an old Kimber custom classic ($1500+) for $500. If you can’t afford it right away, save up for it or sell some thing you don’t really need or use. Like you said you regret it when you sold it. Get it back brother and never let it go again. |
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The only way I would purchase a hi-point would be if I ran across one for $30, to keep as a cheap handout. I have owned most of the greats, Sigs, Kimber, Colt, HK, etc...my SHTF tools are Glocks nowadays...17, 26, 19. Honestly they are not the best feeling guns, and not my personal preference regarding ergos...but they work, are relatively cheap, mags and parts plentiful, easy to work on, durable. I'm not a snob nor am I biased, like I said I have owned plenty of fine firearms and I have nothing bad to say about any of them, but to me they are just tools so I buy what works and what is expedient for standardization until such time that I win the lottery and can buy dozens of guns just 'because'. YMMV I won't knock you for your hi-point, if it works for you , great. There are better choices though, especially in the used market...I'll +1 the Ruger p-89. I had a p-90 that worked great [didn't like aluminum cased ammo though], bought it new in the 90's for $275. |
I'm right there with you on the M9/92FS.  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For the subject of a shtf sidearm and OP, is your life really only worth a HiPoint? To me a shtf sidearms needs to be as common as possible, highly reliable and good quality. Over the years I've seen that pretty much means above atleast $400 these days in cost. That's not to say you can't find deals, but don't bargain your life.
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I've seen a Hi point .45 blow up at the range.Literally,the last inch and a half of slide,and everything else blew off the front fo the gun.I have no idea how the gun was maintained,or what was loaded in it,but that was all the experience I needed with a hi point. Since almost everyone else just completely disregarded the fact that you wanted a .45,and keeps recomending a G19,I'll go another route.I have an XD .45,and I like it a lot.I do however prefer a USP to Glocks.I just don't like the ergonomics of the glock,my point of aim is skewed by the grip.I would suggest the XD over a ruger,and a ruger over a hi point. IMHO,stay the hell from Hi Points unless you need a throwaway for some reason. If the SHTF,and I found a hi point,I would probably take the rounds out of it,keep them in my pocket in case I find a different gun,drop it in a sock,and beat someone with it.-OK,maybe not that bad,but pretty close. |
| After reading some of the posts I can say I have heard the same negative things said about numerous firearms. Its fairly well documented that any gun can blow up if not maintained and/or dangerous reloads are fired. Some of the very best and most expensive guns are a pain in the ass to fix when they break. I am no fan of hi-point, but again for what its worth they are an affordable firearm. Judging the quality of a firearm on price is dangerous. There are some pricey 1911s that arent worth a damn. The person who spends 3000 on custom Wilson Combat gun might think your short changing your self by getting a glock, SIG, or springfield. I dont buy into the how much is your life worth argument, to some degree we are all on a budget. I think its more important to find a gun you shoot well, trust and are comfortable with then it is to buy brand X. As far as Hi-Points being a thug gun, well they are recovered in alot of criminal activities. The same could be said for Mossbergs and Remingtons being some of the most common shotguns used in crime. There are just alot of them out there and there sold at affordable prices. downstatetrapper I hope your new pistol treats you well. |
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My Glock G23 or soon to have Glock 35! I have shot a LOT of different pistols, Sigs, Berettas, HKs, S&W, Rugers... And I don't buy crap. I don't have money to buy things twice so I buy the good stuff once. I have a 1911 and a Hi Power, as well as a Colt .380 for a pocket pistol. But those are mostly fun guns, IDPA or occasional CCW guns. When I'm playing for keeps, 75% of the time, it's my Glock. Now, I'm not saying the other guys don't build quality autos, but the Glock is my go to bread and butter gun. As far as an affordable pistol, the Smith and Wesson Sigma is tough to beat imho. My buddy got his for $300 w/ a factory coupon for 2 extra mags. We pushed him so hard to get a trade in Glock, but he had shot his Uncle's Sigma and really liked it. I've been with him for most of the 600 rounds he has shot it. I have NEVER SEEN it fail. He's told me it has never failed. It's not the most accurate, isn't the easiest to get good fitting holsters for definitely doesn't have the cool factor of a Sigs, Berettas, HK or Glock, but it freaking WORKS FOR HIM! Plus he had plenty of money left over for ammo. The other gun I would keep my eyes open for is an EAA Witness 9mm. Buddy of mine picked one up for $275. It's freaking AWESOME!~ Wish I could find one for that much. It has been quite a good pistol as well. |