Posted: 1/7/2017 5:06:41 PM EDT
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Another vote for CCW and be done. The odds of a longarm being stolen are probably far higher than the odds of
actually needing one to escape the situation. Even in recent events in areas of unrest, it's looked like moving a few blocks, let alone a few miles, will let you get out of harm's way. A longarm is going to needless increase your profile as well. |
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Another vote for CCW and be done. The odds of a longarm being stolen are probably far higher than the odds of actually needing one to escape the situation. Even in recent events in areas of unrest, it's looked like moving a few blocks, let alone a few miles, will let you get out of harm's way. A longarm is going to needless increase your profile as well. This. Toss a few extra loaded mags for your handgun in your bag and call it good. I would take a good look at a map beforehand though and know not only where trouble would be most likely to arise but also the alternative routes out of town. You could even program them into your GPS ahead of time. |
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Another vote for CCW and be done. The odds of a longarm being stolen are probably far higher than the odds of actually needing one to escape the situation. Even in recent events in areas of unrest, it's looked like moving a few blocks, let alone a few miles, will let you get out of harm's way. A longarm is going to needless increase your profile as well. I'd go this. Sage advice. |
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Was guessing this. Chicago perhaps.... ETA-going with Chicago. Can't be Chicago because Illinois doesn't recognize any other states licenses. I would think that his choice of long gun would depend heavily on the local laws of where he will be staying and that he should seriously look into them. |
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When I saw this thread in Active Topics, I didn't realize it was in the SF (mobile arfcom doesn't show forum unless the phone is sideways).
Anyhow, I tend to agree that a well stocked CCW is probably the easiest solution and sufficient for 90%+ of the situations you'd need a firearm at all. That being said, I'm a fan of "better to have and not need, than need and not have" and so I have a couple of arfcom AR pistols - a 10" 5.56 and a 8" 300BLK, both with LawTac folding stocks so that they drop into a backpack. Just in case. 
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Keep situational awareness high. Keep gas tank more than half full. Keep a case of bottled water in car. Keep cash in wallet, plus credit cards. Keep cell phone changed every day. Keep local news outlets on all the time. Be ready to leave immediately. Quoted:
Keep situational awareness high. Keep gas tank more than half full. Keep a case of bottled water in car. Keep cash in wallet, plus credit cards. Keep cell phone changed every day. Keep local news outlets on all the time. Be ready to leave immediately. With the exception of the local news outlets, all of those are the plan. Unfortunately, won't be in tune with the local news while I am doing work duties. Will be pretty oblivious to what's happening locally/nationally during that time. Unfortunate reality. Quoted: Local and state laws won't be an issue. CCW is allowed, open carry in certain locations as well. All of my firearms are legal there, and I even have approved 5320.20's for my SBR's for the state (although they were filled out for a location on the other side of the state). |
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When I saw this thread in Active Topics, I didn't realize it was in the SF (mobile arfcom doesn't show forum unless the phone is sideways). Anyhow, I tend to agree that a well stocked CCW is probably the easiest solution and sufficient for 90%+ of the situations you'd need a firearm at all. That being said, I'm a fan of "better to have and not need, than need and not have" and so I have a couple of arfcom AR pistols - a 10" 5.56 and a 8" 300BLK, both with LawTac folding stocks so that they drop into a backpack. Just in case. Pretty much like minded on this. I feel my CCW options will be sufficient for virtually everything. But there is the temptation to toss the .300blk pistol into a discreet case and bring it along. |
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Pretty much like minded on this. I feel my CCW options will be sufficient for virtually everything. But there is the temptation to toss the .300blk pistol into a discreet case and bring it along. |
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I would stick with the pistol. Forget some movie style scenario where you may have to ex-fil on foot through the urban jungle with some hot single mom and her 6 year old daughter. If you find yourself in some sort of deadly force scenario, the concealed pistol will take care of 99.99% of possible threats. Even trapped by an overwhelming crowd, most will high tail it away when shots are fired.
I would make sure you have a way to keep your phone charged. GPS capabilities, flashlight, knife, etc. |
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With the exception of the local news outlets, all of those are the plan. Unfortunately, won't be in tune with the local news while I am doing work duties. Will be pretty oblivious to what's happening locally/nationally during that time. Unfortunate reality. Some local news outlets can be heard through smartphone apps. They're usually pretty good about posting stuff on Facebook too. If you're really in need of information there's always a way. |
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Some local news outlets can be heard through smartphone apps. They're usually pretty good about posting stuff on Facebook too. If you're really in need of information there's always a way. Won't be able to listen or monitor local news during my work time. Things will be very focused, and at times phones will be completely "off". |
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I would feel good about the CCW since I could carry it all day. I like the .300BO pistol, but only if you can secure it adequately when you're not around. I have a lockable hard case that can handle any of my long arms that is chained to the frame in my trunk. I won't say it can't be stolen, but I will say that the odds are incredibly low. Also have a lockable hard case for my CCW that attaches to the car under my front seat. So my CCW is similarly secure. |
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Pretty much like minded on this. I feel my CCW options will be sufficient for virtually everything. But there is the temptation to toss the .300blk pistol into a discreet case and bring it along. Other than stupid city ordnances, the city location is irrelevant as long as you have a valid CHL or reciprocity. I would have your CCW on you at all times or within hands reach. I like the addition of the .300BO pistol; with an arm brace (and maybe a suppressor?), it's a very effective pseudo SBR. And let's be serious, it's only for a major crisis and it's one of those things that is always better to have than not have. Being a "pistol", it can be concealed with your CHL if needed and is much easier to conceal than a full length carbine or rifle. Given the volatility of protestors, the biggest key will be keeping an eye on current events both nationally and locally. Obtain a current city map and recon no less than three or four different routes out of the city-proper. Identify any significant obstacles or choke points like major rivers, limited bridges, seedy-parts of town, etc. When uncle Sam kept me on the road for an assignment, my MO was to always pick up enough food and water to last me several days (depending on how long I was going to be there of course). Most hotels either have some type of security or hopefully aren't across the street from the hood...hopefully your room door is open to the outside and it's an upper-scale hotel with access controlled through a lobby. ROCK6 |
| 9 milimetah... lots of mags. if you are urban a long gun wont do anything for you that a pistol with big mags cant do. e.g. glock 19 and some 33 rd mags > AR because it can be operated in tighter spaces such as from a car while driving and evading. if you have to set off on foot that would be pretty damn drastic. |
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I would stick with the pistol. Forget some movie style scenario where you may have to ex-fil on foot through the urban jungle with some hot single mom and her 6 year old daughter. If you find yourself in some sort of deadly force scenario, the concealed pistol will take care of 99.99% of possible threats. Even trapped by an overwhelming crowd, most will high tail it away when shots are fired. I would make sure you have a way to keep your phone charged. GPS capabilities, flashlight, knife, etc. Quoted:
I would stick with the pistol. Forget some movie style scenario where you may have to ex-fil on foot through the urban jungle with some hot single mom and her 6 year old daughter. If you find yourself in some sort of deadly force scenario, the concealed pistol will take care of 99.99% of possible threats. Even trapped by an overwhelming crowd, most will high tail it away when shots are fired. I would make sure you have a way to keep your phone charged. GPS capabilities, flashlight, knife, etc. Agree with others and above. CCW a few spare mags and some ammo and its more then you will most likely ever need or use. Good FAK Israeli bandage etc. Good shoes/ boots & wool socks. Good multi-tool, flashlight, and head lamp. Quoted:
communications shouldn't be an issue,etc, etc. Why shouldn't comm be an issue? albeit I am a bit of a comm nut: UHF VHF dual band HT w/ fm radio and WX receive. Most urban public safety radio traffic tend to be on UHF digital trucked systems these days though. Short wave radio? GSM and CDMA cell capabilities? My primary cell is an AT&T android based. My backup/ secondary is a Verizon flip phone. Both work on different cell networks/ tech. You really notice the difference in semi remote areas like where I live. Verizon works where AT&T doesn't, and vise versa. Rechargeable battery bank for your cell? Just some quick ideas. |
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Keep situational awareness high. Keep gas tank more than half full. Keep a case of bottled water in car. Keep cash in wallet, plus credit cards. Keep cell phone changed every day. Keep local news outlets on all the time. Be ready to leave immediately. One of the best replies. In case you expect a major local war breaking out, I'd like to add: Forget the rifles. Keep your CCW piece with you. Get a large bottle of bear stray in case you get cornered by a bear or two. It works on sheep too. Pulling out a rifle may get you shot by police.
Also, have maps. Perhaps one in your phone (downloaded) and a paper map. Identify several escape routes, highlight it on the map and drive or walk each route for practice, if possible. Having a vehicle with high clearance will allow you to drive on sidewalks or to make a U-turn over a raised obstacle. When driving in the area and stopping at a red light, always leave enough space in front of your vehicle so you can escape. Try not to drive in the middle lane. This will allow an easier escape in you get stopped in a traffic jam due to a civil unrest or a zombie attack. LOL. Most important. Try to relax and enjoy your trip. |
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Keep situational awareness high. Keep gas tank more than half full. Keep a case of bottled water in car. Keep cash in wallet, plus credit cards. Keep cell phone changed every day. Keep local news outlets on all the time. Be ready to leave immediately. This. On the gun side though, the pros/cons of a long gun have been pretty much spelled out, so do what you think best there. On pistols, consider taking two. Some scenario might find you with another good guy or gal who is competent with guns but unarmed since most people do not travel with guns. In a bad situation, being able to arm them could be a comforting force multiplier. |
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Keep situational awareness high. Keep gas tank more than half full. Keep a case of bottled water in car. Keep cash in wallet, plus credit cards. Keep cell phone changed every day. Keep local news outlets on all the time. Be ready to leave immediately. Take this and add one of those portable phone charger packs. I would have a shootable size CCW pistol like a Glock 19 size, or a full size. Carry extra magazines in the car. A small pack to toss all of the above into if needed. If you want a long gun, I'd look at an AR pistol. I recently bought an IWI X-95 bull pup for this type of usage. But I'd be ok with a gun like a Glock 19, a pair of extra magazines on my belt and a few extra loaded magazines in a bag. Keep abreast of the local news and if it's time to get out of town, then go. A CCW pistol and situational awareness is your best defense in my opinion. |
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Another vote for CCW Glock. (Make it a fighting pistol, g 17 or 19). Charged phone, basic edc load out like a flashlight, knife and multitool. I've always kept a good first aid kit including celox in my edc bag. Also a collapsible respirator. When going to real dangerous places id also wear body armor but stateside I guess few places would require that. Awareness is you best tool. Have a safe trip!
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So, to translate the OP: "I'm traveling to a city with a large black population and I'm worried that they'll riot while I'm there. What long arm should I bring for riot suppression?" That about sums it up, right? 
As everyone else has said, bring your CCW and forget about it. If there's a riot, and the rioters primarily consist of an ethnicity other than your own, then stay in your hotel room or wherever you are. Don;t go outside until either the Best Buys are completely cleaned out, or the streets are full of guys wearing blue or ACU-patterned clothes, and who are all correctly wearing their pants and headgear. You don;t need to be running around with a long arm in the middle of that mess, nothing good would come of it. |
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didnt read all of the replies, but it sounds like you are over thinking things...
Pay attention, dont stand out, stay sober, and be able to run 3-5 miles in a pinch and you can get out of just about anything I've come across... State side, dont wear sports gear or anything flashy. Outside the US, bring an extra few bucks and look around the first day to see what people are wearing for outer garments, go buy a jacket from a local store like the locals wear... From a distance you will blend in. Live life, have fun, and when you feel like things are about to go sideways, find someplace else to be. |